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oralloy
 
  -4  
Wed 3 Jun, 2020 10:35 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
bobsal u1553115 wrote:
https://cdn.creators.com/220/279805/279805_image.jpg

Many of those names I'm unfamiliar with, but of those that I am familiar with:

Tamir Rice: pointed a realistic looking toy gun at the cops

Michael Brown: tried to murder a police officer

Eric Garner: died from injuries sustained while resisting a lawful arrest

Philando Castile: disobeyed repeated orders to keep his hands visible and instead reached for something

Tony Robinson: tried to murder a police officer

Ahmaud Arbery: tried to murder people for confronting him about a suspected burglary

Sandra Bland: committed suicide
blatham
 
  2  
Wed 3 Jun, 2020 10:55 pm
Quote:
Dave Weigel
@daveweigel
12h
RCP poll leads on this day in history:

2020: Biden +8.0
2016: Clinton +1.5
2012: Obama +1.3
2008: Obama +1.4

Under normal circumstances, these polling results would suggest a predictable election result. But I think we understand now that Trump and the GOP might very well purposefully set to strategies designed to cause serious social chaos and conflict because they can see no clear or possible path to retaining power.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Wed 3 Jun, 2020 11:02 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
Trump and the GOP might very well purposefully set to strategies designed to cause serious social chaos and conflict because they can see no clear or possible path to retaining power.

Outright projection with a little twist, it is to get Trump out of power. There is no doubt radical Leftists are behind this on going lawlessness.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Wed 3 Jun, 2020 11:04 pm
@blatham,
The path to retaining power is to win reelection.
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oralloy
 
  0  
Wed 3 Jun, 2020 11:11 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
ADL and SPLC are both excellent sources, with thorough reviews of the available material, and carefully sourced evidence and carefully written articles.

Come on now. Be serious.

The cartoon that the ADL falsely accuses Ben Garrison of drawing:
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/jewish-control-of-the-federal-reserve-a-classic-anti-semitic-myth

The cartoon that Ben Garrison actually drew:
https://grrrgraphics.com/the-wizard-of-debt


And aren't the SPLC those nutcases that falsely accuse everyone of racism? Or am I confusing one set of nutcases for another?
coldjoint
 
  1  
Wed 3 Jun, 2020 11:41 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
And aren't the SPLC those nutcases that falsely accuse everyone of racism?

No different from anyone here that has no argument, they accuse you of racism.
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Webb
 
  1  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 02:08 am
@Setanta,
Quote:
ADL and SPLC are both excellent sources, with thorough reviews of the available material, and carefully sourced evidence and carefully written articles.


The Southern Poverty Law Center has lost all credibility

After years of smearing good people with false charges of bigotry, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) has finally been held to account. A former Islamic radical named Maajid Nawaz sued the center for including him in its bogus “Field Guide to Anti-Muslim Extremists,” and this week the SPLC agreed to pay him a $3.375 million settlement and issued a public apology.

The SPLC is a once-storied organization that did important work filing civil rights lawsuits against the Ku Klux Klan in the 1970s. But it has become a caricature of itself, labeling virtually anyone who does not fall in line with its left-wing ideology an “extremist” or “hate group.”

Nawaz is a case in point. Since abandoning Islamic radicalism, he has advised three British prime ministers and created the Quilliam Foundation, to fight extremism. He is not anti-Muslim. He is a Muslim and has argued that “Islam is a religion of peace.”

So how did he end up in the SPLC’s pseudo-guide to anti-Muslim bigots? His crime, apparently, is that he has become a leading critic of the radical Islamist ideology he once embraced. Thanks to his courage, the SPLC has been forced to pay a multimillion-dollar penalty and acknowledge in a statement that it was “wrong” and that Nawaz has “made valuable and important contributions to public discourse, including by promoting pluralism and condemning both anti-Muslim bigotry and Islamist extremism.”

Let’s hope this settlement is the first of many, because this is not the first time the SPLC has done this. In 2010, it placed the Family Research Council (FRC) — a conservative Christian advocacy group that opposes abortion and same-sex marriage — on its “hate map.” Two years later, a gunman walked into the FRC headquarters with the intention to “kill as many as possible and smear the Chick-fil-A sandwiches in victims’ faces.” He told the FBI that he had used the SPLC website to pick his target.

Unfortunately, many in the media still take the SPLC seriously. Last year, ABC News ran a story headlined: “Jeff Sessions addresses ‘anti-LGBT hate group,’ ” in which it reported that “Sessions addressed members of the Alliance Defending Freedom, which was designated an ‘anti-LGBT hate group’ by the Southern Poverty Law Center in 2016.” The Alliance Defending Freedom is a respected organization of conservative lawyers dedicated to defending religious liberty, and it just argued a case before the Supreme Court, Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission. It won, 7 to 2. It is not a “hate group.” If anything, it is fighting anti-Christian hate.

In 2014, the SPLC placed Ben Carson — later a Republican presidential candidate and now the current secretary of housing and urban development — on its “extremist watch list,” alongside neo-Nazis and white supremacists. After an uproar, the group removed him and apologized.

The SPLC also lists Charles Murray, a colleague of mine at the American Enterprise Institute and one of the most respected conservative intellectuals in the United States, on its website as a “White Nationalist.” Last year, an angry mob of students, many citing the SPLC’s designation, physically attacked Murray during a speech at Middlebury College. He escaped unharmed, but the liberal professor who invited him ended up in the hospital.

Little wonder that Nawaz was not just angry but also afraid about being designated an extremist by the SPLC. He told the Atlantic in 2016, “They put a target on my head. The kind of work that I do, if you tell the wrong kind of Muslims that I’m an extremist, then that means I’m a target.”

Unfortunately, the settlement that the SPLC reached with Nawaz is not likely to deter it from smearing others — $3.4 million is a drop in the bucket for the center, which raised $132 million between November 2016 and October 2017 and has a $477 million endowment, including a reported $92 million in offshore accounts. Sliming conservatives is big business.

The only way to stop the SPLC is if people stop giving it money and the media stop quoting it or taking it seriously. The SPLC once did important work fighting the Ku Klux Klan. But when it declares Maajid Nawaz, the Family Research Council, Ben Carson and Charles Murray as moral equivalents of the Klan, it loses all integrity and credibility.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-southern-poverty-law-center-has-lost-all-credibility/2018/06/21/22ab7d60-756d-11e8-9780-b1dd6a09b549_story.html
Webb
 
  1  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 02:10 am
@Setanta,
Quote:
ADL and SPLC are both excellent sources, with thorough reviews of the available material, and carefully sourced evidence and carefully written articles.


The Southern Poverty Law Center is a hate-based scam that nearly caused me to be murdered

After internal challenges with discrimination, the Southern Poverty Law Center can't call itself an arbiter of justice.

I’ll never forget the moment I learned we were on lockdown. It was Aug.15, 2012. My frustration mingled with fear. Trapped on the sixth floor, we knew someone had been shot. We knew we couldn’t leave yet. We knew little else.

While I was missing lunch, a crime scene played out in the office lobby below me. My coworker and friend Leo wasn’t armed, but he had played the quick-thinking and inadvertent hero, disarming a young man on a mission to kill me and as many of my colleagues as possible. The gunman had packed his backpack with ammo and 15 Chick-fil-A sandwiches — later admitting that he had planned to smear them on our lifeless faces as a political statement. Leo took a bullet in the arm but managed to hold the attacker until law enforcement arrived.

I wrote and edited for the Family Research Council, a public advocacy organization that promoted the principles I have cared about since childhood: protecting the family, promoting the dignity of every human life and advocating for religious liberty. It reads like a tagline, but it’s also just what I believed and the way I chose to match my career with my convictions.

Biology is not bigotry: My daughter thinks she's transgender. Her public school undermined my efforts to help her.

I never expected that everyone would celebrate or share my beliefs. But I did expect to be able to discuss and debate these differences without becoming a political target in an act of terrorism, the first conviction under Washington, D.C.’s 2002 Anti-Terrorism Act.

The Southern Poverty Law Center labeled us a 'hate group'

It was the type of violent incident that one could expect a group that purportedly monitors “hate,” like the Southern Poverty Law Center, to notice, research and decry. In fact, we were on the center’s radar but for all the wrong reasons. The assailant acknowledged later in FBI testimony that he had selected our office precisely because the SPLC had labeled my employer a “hate group.”

It has always been easier to smear people rather than wrestle with their ideas. It’s a bully who calls names and spreads lies rather than thoroughly reading a brief’s legal arguments or challenging the rationale underlying a policy proposal. The SPLC has chosen to take the easy path — to intimidate and mislead for raw political power and financial benefit.

Hate groups in America: I grew up a white nationalist. We never blamed ourselves for mass shootings like El Paso.

For years, former employees revealed, local journalists reported and commentators have lamented: The Southern Poverty Law Center is not what it claims to be. Not a pure-hearted, clear-headed legal advocate for the vulnerable, but rather an obscenely wealthy marketing scheme. For years, the left-wing interest group has used its “hate group” list to promote the fiction that violent neo-Nazis and Christian nonprofits peacefully promoting orthodox beliefs about marriage and sex are indistinguishable. Sometimes, it has apologized to public figures it has smeared, and it recently paid out millions to settle a threatened defamation lawsuit.

The SPLC has its own troubles

These shameful secrets are no longer hidden in shadows. The New York Times, Politico, NPR and a host of other mainstream publications are reporting on the corruption and widening credibility gap. The SPLC dismissed its co-founder in March, and its president has resigned amidst numerous claims of sexual harassment, gender discrimination and racism within the organization — a parade of disgraces that vividly force the conclusion: The SPLC is hollow, rotten and failing at the very virtues it pretends to celebrate.

The criticism comes from many corners. There’s the Current Affairs editor who seems sympathetic to the center’s progressive mission but decries its “hate group” list as an “outright fraud” and a “willful deception designed to scare older liberals into writing checks to the SPLC.”

There’s the retired investigative journalist who helped research and write an eight-part series on the center’s “litany of problems and questionable practices” in the mid-1990s. His Washington Post opinion piece reads with a thinly veiled message: We nearly got a Pulitzer Prize for TELLING YOU SO.

But perhaps most damning of all are the indictments leveled by former employee Bob Moser in The New Yorker. He remembers being welcomed to the “Poverty Palace” and recounts the heart-sinking reality of it all — being “pawns” in a “highly profitable scam.”

Oberlin bakery owner: Gibson's Bakery paid a high cost for an unfairly damaged reputation

Jobs and years have passed, and I work now for Alliance Defending Freedom. ADF ranks among “the top performing firm(s)" litigating First Amendment cases, according to the Empirical SCOTUS blog, and is the “Christian legal powerhouse that keeps winning at the Supreme Court,” according to The Washington Post.

And yes, my new employer has also attracted one of the SPLC’s spurious hate labels. The label easily peels and fades away when one actually does the research and listens to truth before deciding to troll.

I won't be intimidated by the SPLC

If the SPLC thought that its hate would intimidate or silence me and my colleagues, they’re sadly mistaken. I’m lucky — blessed, really — that I didn’t take a bullet for my beliefs back in 2012. But the center’s ugly slander and the gunman’s misguided attack have sharpened my resolve and deepened my faith in my Savior, who commands my destiny and shields me from the schemes of man. The same is true for my colleagues.

Fifty-one years ago, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. fell to an assassin’s bullet. The SPLC pretends to carry his legacy but weaponizes hate labels instead. Unlike SPLC's name-calling, Dr. King’s words and vision stand the test of time. “Injustice anywhere,” he warned, “is a threat to justice everywhere.”

The SPLC, as an institution, has thoroughly disqualified itself as an arbiter of justice. But this country would be a better place if the center’s donors, lawyers and friends would truly believe and apply Dr. King’s legacy — his peaceful pursuit of justice and his love of neighbor.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/08/17/southern-poverty-law-center-hate-groups-scam-column/2022301001/
Webb
 
  1  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 02:13 am
@Webb,
Let's not forget about Morris Dees...

The Reckoning of Morris Dees and the Southern Poverty Law Center

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-reckoning-of-morris-dees-and-the-southern-poverty-law-center
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Builder
 
  -3  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 03:03 am
@goldberg,
Quote:
Trump is turning America into the the antithesis of democracy.


How so? The electoral college has the last say in US democracy.
hightor
 
  2  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 04:27 am
@Builder,
Quote:
The electoral college has the last say in US democracy.

Not really. It's only used in presidential elections. The presidency isn't the be-all-and -end-all of USAmerican democracy. There are plenty of other democratic features on the state and local level which aren't affected by the Electoral college at all.
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goldberg
 
  0  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 06:06 am
@Builder,
That wasn't even a fair election. Just ask what Brad Parscale and Trump's boyfriend Putin did.
goldberg
 
  0  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 06:19 am
@goldberg,
The current issue of the New Statesman has several articles apropos of black Americans' resentments against police brutality , systemic racism and Trump's tirades against protesters-Trump called them thugs.

Emily Tamkin, a white American journalist who joined the New Statesman months ago, also wrote an article for the latest issue.

How the killing by police of George Floyd convulsed the United States.

BY EMILY TAMKIN

"Before he was killed by police in Minneapolis on 25 May, George Floyd had been accused of using a counterfeit $20 bill at a grocery store. The police were called and Floyd was pinned to the ground by one of the arresting officers, who pressed his knee on to his neck. Floyd begged for his life; he was struggling to breathe and said so. The officer refused to take his knee off the man’s neck for nearly nine minutes, by which point Floyd, a 46-year-old black man who had recently been left jobless by the pandemic, was dead.

The scene was recorded on her phone by a teenage girl – 17-year-old Darnella Frazier – and as a result of the footage the four officers involved in Floyd’s death were sacked from the Minneapolis police department. Online city records show that the officer who killed Floyd, Derek Chauvin, has had at least 17 complaints filed against him. Sixteen were closed without any disciplinary action being taken.

Protesters took to the streets of Minneapolis after news of Floyd’s killing spread. On 26 May, police fired tear gas at the crowds, a tactic that was notably absent from the predominantly white protests against stay-at-home orders that took place across the US weeks earlier. The next day CNN reported that “protests transitioned to rioting and looting”. The looting of a Minneapolis superstore received particular attention; protesters also set one of the city’s police stations on fire. On 29 May Chauvin was charged with third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter; the other three police officers present have not been charged.

Meanwhile, the protests spread across the country. Some were peaceful; some were not. Police reacted with force, claiming that this was necessary to control the crowds. They used tear gas and pepper spray and fired rubber bullets. These are “non-lethal” weapons. But they are still weapons, turned against a population in pain.

Police brutality is not a Democratic or Republican issue; it is an all-American issue. Michael Brown Jr was shot by police in ­Ferguson, Missouri in 2014. Freddie Gray died in police custody in Baltimore, Maryland in 2015. Barack Obama was the president at the time of both deaths. George Floyd was killed in Minneapolis, a city with a Democratic mayor.

Neither the police brutality nor the protests are happening because the US has a Republican president. That said, this Republican president managed, in his own special way, to make matters worse: “These THUGS are dishonoring the memory of George Floyd, and I won’t let that happen. Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way. Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts.” Donald Trump’s tweet quoted a phrase used by the Miami police chief Walter Headley in 1967; Twitter determined that the message violated community rules on glorifying violence but did not remove it as a matter of public interest.

When, on 30 and 31 May, protesters surrounded the White House, Trump tweeted that there had been officials with weapons and vicious dogs ready to defend him. (“There are no vicious dogs and ominous weapons,” the mayor of Washington, DC, tweeted. “There is just a scared man. Afraid/alone…”) The president who vowed to make America great again then fired off a series of tweets railing against anarchists, the media and “looters”. He called for law and order and for the national guard to take control in parts of the country.

The debate on looting and violent protests is not new. It happened after the deaths of Brown Jr and Gray. But there is an alarming pattern to how the US confronts the deaths of young black men at the hands of the police. A black American is killed, and white America gawks at the violence of the protests that ensue. White America ignores the violence of the system to which the protesters are responding, and eventually it moves on.

We could condemn the looting of a store in Minneapolis, for example, or the destruction of a restaurant in downtown Washington, DC, if such acts took place without the backdrop of racial injustices past and present. But the reality is that George Floyd was killed by the police in a country where police cannot seem to stop killing black men. The problem that characterises the debate about race, inequality and violence in the US is the problem of false equivalence – the argument that protest and looting are somehow as bad as the lynching of a person. There is also the absurd argument that vandalising a superstore undermines the historic cause of the protesters.

James Baldwin recognised this same obfuscation on the part of white America in 1968, when protests left towns and cities ablaze after the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. “The question I’m trying to raise,” he said in an interview with Esquire magazine, “is a very serious question.”

The mass media – television and all the major news agencies – endlessly use that word “looter”. On television you always see black hands reaching in, you know. And so the American public concludes that these savages are trying to steal everything from us. And no one has seriously tried to get where the trouble is. After all, you’re accusing a captive population who has been robbed of everything of looting. I think it’s obscene.

This is how white America responds to looting: with diversions. It is apparently unable to let more than a few days pass without arguing that the protests are not actually about black death, but about white life.

White America claims that the protesters are from out of state – that they have travelled from somewhere else just to protest – when they aren’t. It says that the protests are organised when they are organic. Some – namely right-wing conspiracy theorists – blame the billionaire philanthropist George Soros for fuelling the protests; others blame Russia, as though the issue at stake is foreign influence and not domestic racism, inequality and violence.

That isn’t to say that there are no instigators or agitators or overzealous white boys on skateboards burning what they will for fun – viral videos have shown black protesters attempting to dissuade white would-be allies from confrontational actions. It is, rather, to affirm that the source of these protests is racism and police brutality, and that this violence against black Americans happens in a society that is unequal and inequitable in other ways – in its provision of healthcare, education and housing.

Black and brown Americans have also been hit especially hard by the coronavirus pandemic, which has so far killed more than 100,000 in the US and left 39 million people filing for unemployment. There is no ignoring these facts. Yet white America will try. White America will make excuses, because white America still refuses to take responsibility.

The protests have been continuing across the country. In some cities, stay at home orders intended to combat the pandemic have been replaced with curfews to try to keep people from protesting after dark.

On 31 May in Washington, DC, a curfew went into effect at 11pm. President Trump stayed in the White House, where external lights, usually lit, were turned off. Police and protesters clashed. And in the middle of a city aflame and a nation in mourning, the president who vowed to return the country to its earlier glory sat in the dark."
goldberg
 
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Thu 4 Jun, 2020 06:28 am
@goldberg,
I would imagine that conservatives wouldn't want to read this article written by Emily Tamkin, who appears to have been entranced by the notion that America is still ruled by white people. That's why she gets a bang out of using the expression white America all the time; Toni Morrison, who's black, used the word whiteness to describe America in her books.

To my mind, I'd argue that it would be wrong to single America out as the breeding ground of racial discrimination, in light of the fact that many nations in Asia and Europe also have such festering social problems that have incinerated their national solidarity, aggravated by their propensity to use localism as a fig leaf to dissemble their ulterior motives.

farmerman
 
  2  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 06:32 am
@Builder,
Quote:

How so? The electoral college has the last say in US democracy
Th electoral college only has say in two arenas and the presidential elections, by rules not even in the Constitution, have assured the disenfranchisement of a large number of voters
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oralloy
 
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Thu 4 Jun, 2020 07:20 am
@goldberg,
goldberg wrote:
Police brutality is not a Democratic or Republican issue; it is an all-American issue. Michael Brown Jr was shot by police in ­Ferguson, Missouri in 2014.

He was shot in justified self defense as he tried to murder a police officer.

People have the right to defend themselves. Police officers too.
goldberg
 
  1  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 07:27 am
@goldberg,
Let's take China as an example. Most city-dwellers living in China still feel a compulsion to scoff at villagers, calling them Neanderthal sorts who only know how to get laid. China used to have a related joke making the rounds, which claimed that male villagers, who were skint, had no choice but to spend most of their time boffing their gruff wives with gusto , er, because they couldn't find other things to do. In a sense, that's still what's going on in some out-of-the-way places in China, particularly the poor West, where some local families rely on people smugglers if they want to find wives for their sons, which is not legal in China. At the same time, scores of villagers have left their poor hometowns for cities by dint of hard work and education; some of them even took up teaching in A-list Chinese colleges.

Yet such dramatic changes haven't changed the perception that people living in the sticks are second-tier citizens in China. That also explains why city-dwellers are still scornful of people living in the boondocks. To cap it all, some local inhabitants living in big cities, say, Shanghai, even feel compelled to fleer at or snipe at out-of-towners and preen themselves for having the chance to live in Shanghai, which is called Paris of Asia by Chinese people.

Another big city called Beijing also has scads of local snobs leery of people from other Chinese cities, not to mention foreign residents. Some local old men and women have been hired to play the role of vigilants: they simply grill strangers and notify the police if they espy "dodgy" out-of-towners and foreigners visiting their gated communities. In other words, they are always on the qui vive. That's why lots of out-of-towners living in Beijing feel like being treated like criminal suspects, although they are educated and even have well-paying jobs.

" I think I can't fit in since local folk start acting like nobs after finding that I wasn't born in Beijing like them from the way I talk. I can't change the accent, you know, " an out-of-towner said plaintively. " I think I will always be a stranger for them."
goldberg
 
  0  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 07:42 am
@oralloy,
I don't want to talk to a racist at the moment.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 07:46 am
@goldberg,
Well done. Or at any moment. You’ve already heard his full repartee, his entire list of repetitive words and phrases which he uses over and over again.

You don’t need to read his posts because you’ve heard them all before. He’s perfectly capable of going round and round in circles all on his own without any input from you.

He’s having a bit of a meltdown right now so it seems.
goldberg
 
  0  
Thu 4 Jun, 2020 07:47 am
@goldberg,
What I'm trying to say is this kind of bias can be found everywhere, not just in America. Thus, it would not be fair for some politicians from Iran and Russia to accentuate concerns about America's racial divide when their own nations have been riven by racial problems.

Indeed, we need to be doing more on this issue, such as reinforcing the message that every live matters and everyone is equal.
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