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revelette3
 
  5  
Sat 9 May, 2020 12:17 pm
@coldjoint,
No one but far-right extremist such as yourself believes anything, including documents, which come via Barr or anyone associated Barr or the president. The Republican Senate has already said the Russian probe was legit.

Do you really think during this trauma the world is facing with the US suffering the worst, people are going to care what Guiliani and Barr are going to produce by way of evidence?
bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Sat 9 May, 2020 12:25 pm
@ehBeth,
I got out of the Navy thinking I was never going to dress like everyone else ever again. So I got a pair of blue jeans and stood around on street corners with friends who all wore blue jeans, then I got a job waiting table wearing a tuxedo while I went back to college where everyone was wearing disco blue jeans and acetate shirts, then I got a job where we all wore some version of Glen Plaid suits and corporate haircuts. When my type A personality gave me a heart attack at 38, I moved to a smaller town where we all wore blue jeans and Carhart vests and barn jackets.

I think in Trumps mind the sailor catching Covid was the same as being a POW, a prisoner of the Democratic Party's faux pandemic. That sailor was a traitor.
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coldjoint
 
  -4  
Sat 9 May, 2020 12:53 pm
@revelette3,
Quote:
No one but far-right extremist such as yourself believes anything, including documents,

Are you thinking? The transcripts reveal there was no evidence of Russian collusion. That is the testimony of top Obama officials. They knew and still appointed a special council by lying plain and simple. A colossal waste of time and money that fed the hate broadcasted daily by a corrupt complicit media.

You do not have a leg to stand on. More documents will be declassified and for the Democrats it will get a lot worse. Trump was right and now everyone knows it. That you support proven liars is shameful.
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coluber2001
 
  4  
Sat 9 May, 2020 12:54 pm
The New Yorker


Daily Shouts
What Critics Are Saying About the Ken Burns Documentary on the Trump Administration
By Sarah Hutto

January 3, 2018

In his latest documentary, Ken Burns exhaustively walks us through what felt like the longest Presidency in recent national history. In seven discs, totalling fifteen hours, we get to experience, once again, the journey from the Trump Administration’s controversial beginnings to its embarrassing final moments.

Here’s what critics and viewers are saying:

“Experiencing the Trump Presidency firsthand was traumatizing enough. I’m not sure why anyone would want to watch this. I actually had to get up and take Tums four times during the first two discs, and then I turned it off. Burns is a great documentarian, but I don’t understand why he thought this should be made.”—the Village Voice

“This perfectly captured what being an American under the Trump Administration was like. If you’ve been fortunate enough to have stricken the Presidency from memory, this documentary will be great for reminding you of the importance of voting. But you’ll have to borrow your copy from someone else, because I already threw mine in the garbage. No—don’t bother looking in the bin. I took it out to the curb and waited to see it get loaded into the truck this morning. I’m safe now. I’m finally safe. The DVDs are far away from me.”—The Atlantic

“You won’t learn anything new from this documentary. It’s mostly just a rehashing of everything we survived, which seems sort of counterproductive at this point. Additionally, the bonus feature with the extra material about Mike Pence is just weird and unsettling. —Rolling Stone

“Gary Busey was a great choice for narrator to set up the anxiety and instability of that era. You can tell he ad-libbed quite a bit, but it really works here. Every time he broke into those screeches for no reason, it seemed to accent the narrative perfectly.”—the Washington Post

“This simply is not the sort of thing our country needs right now.”—Oprah Winfrey

“I played this over the course of two weeks for the high-school history class I teach. But I’ll probably go back to the Civil War documentary next year, because it's more uplifting.”—Richard Murray, Vermont

“I voted for Trump, so my adult kids got me this as a birthday present, thinking I’d enjoy it. It made me sad.”—Tom Barkley, Nebraska

VIDEO FROM THE NEW YORKER
Air Travel During a Global Pandemic

“I kept being, like, ‘Oh, my God. Why isn’t anybody stopping him?’ But then I’d remember it’s about actual events that really happened and go take some pills to calm down.”—Ariana Rosetti, California

“I liked it when he got caught in the end.”—Joey, age six, Maryland

“Great buildup. You just know it’s not going to end well. I loved that they included that incident with all the Twinkies. It was exactly how I imagined it looking. Just complete and utter chaos.”—Jeff Sanderson, Connecticut

“I like to play this DVD on the TV in my bar because my customers end up drinking a lot more.”—Curtis Ledger, Texas

“Really, really disturbing. But, if this is the closest I’ll get to actually witnessing the moment he was dragged out from under the Resolute Desk by the Feds, then it’s well worth it.”—Sharla Linquist, Michigan

“Someone I know is now divorced because he got this documentary as a gag gift for his spouse.”—Anonymous

“I found this movie really unrealistic. No developed country would ever allow this sort of thing to happen.”—Miss Teen U.S.A.

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/what-critics-are-saying-about-the-ken-burns-documentary-on-the-trump-administration
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Sat 9 May, 2020 12:57 pm
@coluber2001,
Hutto? Sounds more like Borowitz gem!!
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Sat 9 May, 2020 12:59 pm
@coluber2001,
Quote:

What Critics Are Saying About the Ken Burns Documentary on the Trump Administration

Hey, let's change the subject. Any input on the three years of lies and wasted time and money?
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blatham
 
  2  
Sat 9 May, 2020 01:00 pm
Quote:
Eric Boehlert
@EricBoehlert
seniors have voted GOP in every WH election since Reagan

Quote:
Josh Kraushaar
@HotlineJosh
· 6h
NYT: Trump’s *own polling* shows him losing to Biden among seniors by a double digit margin. https://nytimes.com/2020/05/09/us/politics/trump-older-voters-2020.html


Quote:
Eric Boehlert
@EricBoehlert
40m
Replying to
@EricBoehlert
Trump won them in Fla by 10 pts in 2016. now trails seniors in Fla by 16 pt


Quote:
Eric Boehlert
@EricBoehlert
37m
this is the only campaign storyline thst matters. If Biden wins seniors Trump has zero chance. period
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Sat 9 May, 2020 01:01 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
Borowitz

Is cashing in on the hate for Trump. He could care less about this country or its future.
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coldjoint
 
  -4  
Sat 9 May, 2020 01:06 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
seniors have voted GOP in every WH election since Reagan

They will again because they know about the three years of lies everyone on the Left is ignoring. Is it because a unified spin has not been decided on? Obama has already made a fool out of himself by not knowing what Flynn was even charged with. Also his direct involvement in the abuse of power concerning Flynn is now public knowledge. That is an awful deep hole to dig out of. Shocked
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blatham
 
  3  
Sat 9 May, 2020 01:10 pm
Quote:
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
· Mar 9
So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!

Yes, do think about this.
coldjoint
 
  -4  
Sat 9 May, 2020 01:15 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
Yes, do think about this.

While we think about what CNN talking heads said. What the mayor of NYC said. What Cuomo said. Even what Fauci said early on. Should we see there is really no difference, because there isn't.

Now, how about the three years of PROVEN lies from the Dems and media about Russia?
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blatham
 
  5  
Sat 9 May, 2020 01:39 pm
Quote:
John Aravosis Flag of United States
@aravosis
2h
The story is even worse. One day before testing positive with the Coronavirus, Mike Pence’s press secretary Katie Miller was not social distancing nor wearing a mask WHILE VISITING A NURSING HOME.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXmfj7GXQAI23f_?format=jpg&name=900x900
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farmerman
 
  4  
Sat 9 May, 2020 01:44 pm
@blatham,
thats just a one month tally.
blatham
 
  3  
Sat 9 May, 2020 02:25 pm
@farmerman,
covid killed 2000 per day in April in the US
McGentrix
 
  -2  
Sat 9 May, 2020 02:35 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

covid killed 2000 per day in April in the US


How does that make you feel?
bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Sat 9 May, 2020 02:40 pm
@McGentrix,
Like living long enough to vote against Trump.
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hightor
 
  3  
Sat 9 May, 2020 03:57 pm
Fight Over Virus's Death Toll Opens Grim New Front in Election Battle

Elements of the right have sought to bolster President Trump's political standing by turning scientific questio9ns into political issues.

Quote:
The claim was tailor-made for President Trump’s most steadfast backers: Federal guidelines are coaching doctors to mark Covid-19 as the cause of death even when it is not, inflating the pandemic’s death toll.

That the claim came from a doctor, Scott Jensen, who also happens to be a Republican state senator in Minnesota, made it all the more alluring to the president’s allies. Never mind the experts who said that, if anything, the death toll was being vastly undercounted.

“SHOCKING,” tweeted Chris Berg, a conservative television show host on KX4, a Fox affiliate in Fargo, N.D., after interviewing Dr. Jensen last month. Soon after, Laura Ingraham, the Fox News host, invited Dr. Jensen onto her show. His assertions were picked up by Infowars, the conspiracy-oriented website founded by Alex Jones. They were shared by followers of Qanon, who subscribe to a web of vague, baseless theories that a secret cabal in the government is trying to take down the president.

The claim was tailor-made for President Trump’s most steadfast backers: Federal guidelines are coaching doctors to mark Covid-19 as the cause of death even when it is not, inflating the pandemic’s death toll.

That the claim came from a doctor, Scott Jensen, who also happens to be a Republican state senator in Minnesota, made it all the more alluring to the president’s allies. Never mind the experts who said that, if anything, the death toll was being vastly undercounted.

“SHOCKING,” tweeted Chris Berg, a conservative television show host on KX4, a Fox affiliate in Fargo, N.D., after interviewing Dr. Jensen last month. Soon after, Laura Ingraham, the Fox News host, invited Dr. Jensen onto her show. His assertions were picked up by Infowars, the conspiracy-oriented website founded by Alex Jones. They were shared by followers of Qanon, who subscribe to a web of vague, baseless theories that a secret cabal in the government is trying to take down the president.

In late April, as the toll approached 60,000, Mr. Trump retweeted a post by a former New York City police official that claimed the number was being inflated by the same people behind the “failed coup attempts” of the Mueller investigation and Mr. Trump’s impeachment.[

“Do you really think these lunatics wouldn’t inflate the mortality rates by underreporting the infection rates in an attempt to steal the election?” the post said.

A Familiar Playbook

At the forefront of the fight are a number of climate skeptics who have long exploited the imperfections of scientific research — statistical margins of error, the subjective elements of projective modeling — to cast doubt on the conclusive finding that humans have contributed to global warming.

Steven J. Milloy, a fervent denier of that scientific consensus, was early to play down the coronavirus threat. He compared it to the flu, an argument that public health officials say dangerously underestimates how deadly the virus is.

One policy group that has expressed skepticism about climate change, the Heartland Institute, pointed to a widely used projection of 60,000 deaths to attack earlier models predicting up to two million fatalities. The critique, posted on its website on April 17, ignored the fact that the lower estimate took into account social-distancing measures, and that the high estimate and others close to it were presented as worst-case scenarios if no steps were taken to mitigate the virus’s spread. (The 60,000-death projection was rendered null and void 13 days later, when the death toll surpassed that number.)

Few of those who tacked from climate skepticism to Covid-19 denialism have any real expertise in tracking pandemics. But several are funded by industries that have long sought to question the work of scientists, such as big oil companies like Exxon Mobil and tobacco companies like Philip Morris. They are also backed by conservative groups like the Mercer Family Foundation that hold immense sway inside the Trump White House, and are deeply invested in the president’s political future.

“It’s the same individuals. It’s the same modus operandi, the same organizations and the same backers,” said Michael E. Mann, who directs the Earth System Science Center at Pennsylvania State University. “Right-wing conservative interests that are benefiting from the Trump presidency obviously want to see a continuation with the Trump presidency.”

The lines of attack against the conclusions of health experts are familiar to those who have studied the climate-change denial movement, which has long relied on what Naomi Oreskes, a science historian at Harvard, called “motivated reasoning.”

“It’s, ‘I don’t like what this implies; therefore I’m going to deny the evidence, and I’m going to question the models, and I’m going to question the motivations of the people who do it,”’ Dr. Oreskes said.

For instance, Todd Starnes, a conservative radio host who has likened climate change to “the Tooth Fairy,” fed the virus “truther” movement when he argued that the crisis was overstated because he did not see crowds outside the Brooklyn Hospital Center in New York. It was the pandemic-era equivalent of pointing to a snowstorm as evidence that the planet is not warming. Days later, reporting from inside the hospital found a staff overwhelmed by critical Covid cases.

In an interview, James Taylor, who wrote the Heartland critique, drew a direct line between problems he saw in the modeling of Covid-19 deaths and climate science, arguing that in both instances “we don’t have perfect information” with which to make projections. “The coronavirus models’ failure to make accurate predictions to this point should be instructive when we are told to blindly accept certain climate models,” he said.

Mr. Trump, for his part, has at times sought to use the uncertainty to his advantage. Last month, after his most ardent supporters had attacked the worst-case death estimates for weeks as evidence of hysteria, Mr. Trump began calling attention to the two million figure — as a benchmark against which to judge his handling of the crisis.

Then he went further, pointing to 100,000 deaths as the number against which to judge him.

“We will be lower than that number,” Mr. Trump told reporters as the death count kept by Johns Hopkins University approached 38,000. “But I really believe it could have been millions of people had we not done what we did.”

Last Sunday, though, Mr. Trump acknowledged that the toll could hit 100,000. Still, he said, it could have been much worse had his administration not acted. “If we didn’t do it, the minimum we would have lost was a million two, a million four, a million five, that’s the minimum. We would have lost probably higher. It’s possible higher than 2.2.”

Limited Data

Even under the best circumstances, modeling how a pandemic will play out, like modeling the pace and impact of climate change, is an imperfect science. And there is indeed great uncertainty about what the death toll is now — and what it will be — given limited data about the new coronavirus and the different counting methods jurisdictions are using.

“There’s a real set of challenges around the statistics — let’s be clear,” said Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel of the University of Pennsylvania, who helped design Obamacare.

But in his estimation, conservatives questioning official statistics are mostly seeking evidence that the numbers are exaggerated. “They’re not looking at the full range of data, and if anything, there’s an undercount, not an overcount,” he said.

Many of those conservatives have zeroed in on a recommendation by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to add Covid-19 as a “presumed” cause of death even if the diagnosis is not confirmed by a test. The recommendation was partly necessitated by the nationwide lag in testing. Public health officials across the country say that even with the additional “presumed” classifications on death certificates, the actual toll is probably much higher.

It was those recommendations that Dr. Jensen, the Minnesota state senator, seized on when he questioned the death toll in a series of social media posts. He also questioned whether hospitals were overreporting cases because Medicare was offering higher payments for treating coronavirus patients.

The posts, and subsequent media appearances, prompted the Minnesota health commissioner, Jan Malcolm, to call Dr. Jensen’s claim “misinformation.” Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the federal government’s leading infectious disease specialist, called it a conspiracy theory.

Dr. Jensen has continued to question the death toll. In a recent interview, he bristled at being called a conspiracy theorist. “I’m surprised by the vehemence, surprised by the viciousness,” he said.

Yet Dr. Jensen chose to air his concerns in partisan venues that are hardly known for measured and thoughtful debate. After his first television appearance, the host, Mr. Berg, pointedly asked on Twitter, “Why is #MN inflating Covid-19 death numbers?”

Ms. Ingraham invited Dr. Jensen on Fox News to repeat his claim and address Dr. Fauci’s charge, asking incredulously, “Conspiracy theories, doctor — so you’re engaging in conspiracy theories?”

Fox News’s prime-time lineup has often been a clarion for doubt about the pandemic’s severity and the credibility of the nation’s leading health experts.

Beyond her segment with Dr. Jensen, Ms. Ingraham gave a platform to a false and misleading claim by Dr. Phil McGraw, the television therapist, that Covid-19 posed less of a public health threat than swimming pools. While calling for reopening the economy, she has seized on discrepancies in projections to argue that social-distancing measures have gone too far.

Others on Fox, like Brit Hume, have pointed to New York as evidence that numbers were being inflated, citing the city’s decision to add presumed cases to its count.

While Mr. Trump has proved receptive to such arguments, they appear to be having less of an impact on public opinion. The vast majority of Americans — Republicans and Democrats alike — are following social-distancing guidelines, and recent polls have found broad support for restrictions on businesses imposed by state governments.

To Dr. Mann, the seeming inability of Covid skeptics to sow doubts among the public is cause for optimism. “This is sort of a test case for combating denialism and exposing the danger of denialism,” he said.

Dr. Jensen, though, has stayed true to his skepticism in his own life. Last week, he plugged into a remote State Senate hearing on easing restrictions on telemedicine for addiction disorders while playing a round of golf, without a mask.

Though he appeared to be trying to hide his location by holding his phone camera close to his face, the background whooshing of a golf club and visible canopy of his cart gave him away.

“I just want to ask the senator — how’s he hitting them out there?” a Democratic senator, Jeff Hayden, broke in to ask him.

nyt
coldjoint
 
  0  
Sat 9 May, 2020 04:01 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
Elements of the right have sought to bolster President Trump's political standing by turning scientific questio9ns into political issues.

Projection. This virus was weaponized by the Left as soon as they could after saying the same things Trump did.
Quote:
“It’s the same individuals. It’s the same modus operandi, the same organizations and the same backers,” said Michael E. Mann, who directs the Earth System Science Center at Pennsylvania State University. “Right-wing conservative interests that are benefiting from the Trump presidency obviously want to see a continuation with the Trump presidency.”

Lot in common with the Russia hoax people? So the guy in charge can repeat rhetoric, amazing. And your source, the NYT, lied to people for three years, what makes you think they are going to stop now?
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Sat 9 May, 2020 04:35 pm
https://i.imgur.com/1QEmmWO.png
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Sat 9 May, 2020 04:47 pm
When are the apologies coming from Pelosi, Schumer and the networks for deceiving Americans purposely for three years? When are of all their apologies to the American public and Trump going to be aired?

The NYT and the WP can just go with headline "We Lied"
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