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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
Builder
 
  -4  
Tue 28 Apr, 2020 05:33 am
@hightor,
You're always good for a giggle, with the hawking choroquinine

I hope it helps.
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MontereyJack
 
  3  
Tue 28 Apr, 2020 05:37 am
@hightor,
Mrs. Betty bowers, America' Best Cristian

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farmerman
 
  3  
Tue 28 Apr, 2020 05:38 am
@Builder,
Quote:
I see you didn't read the article.
What article. I was sorta quoting from a news clip on PBS yesterday PM. about the GOP dissent.
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farmerman
 
  6  
Tue 28 Apr, 2020 05:44 am
@snood,
There are at last two USSC decisions re disobeying Quarantine orders. Decsison 1886 , 7-2 (have to search case name). "Quarantine orders to protelife an health are CONSTITUTIONAL. I wonder if hr insurance will covr hr. Im guessing NOT.
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hightor
 
  3  
Tue 28 Apr, 2020 05:56 am
...from this article in the right-wing Washington Times: Coronavirus hype biggest political hoax in history

Cheryl K. Chumley wrote:
Among some of [[osteopath]] Erickson’s remarks: “This is immunology — microbiology 101. This is the basis of what we’ve known for years: When you take human beings and you say, ‘Go into your house, clean all your counters, Lysol them down’ … what does it do to our immune system? … Sheltering in place decreases your immune system.”

This logic would suggest that it might be better not to wash our dishes, clean our floors, or avoid contact with infected individuals. Go right out there and pick up as many microbes as you can and make your immune system man up to the challenge.
Quote:
And this: “Any time you have something new in the [medical] community, it sparks fear — and I would have done what Dr. Fauci did … initially. … But you know, looking at theories and models — which is what these folks use — is very different than the way the actual virus presents itself throughout communities.”

Computer modeling is based on assumptions that public behavior will stay the same; heeding the warnings and changing behavior has made a big difference in the trajectory of infection.
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And this: “Do you think you’re protected from COVID when you wear gloves that transfer disease everywhere? … We wear masks in an acute setting to protect us. [But] we’re not wearing masks. Why is that? Because we understand microbiology. We understand immunology. And we want strong immune systems. I don’t want to hide in my home, develop a weak immune system and then come out and get disease.”

You don't lose the immunity you've acquired over a lifetime by sheltering in place for a few weeks.
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And this: “When I’m writing up my death report I’m being pressured to add COVID. Why is that? Why are we being pressured to add COVID? To maybe increase the numbers, and make it look a little bit worse than it is. We’re being pressured in-house to add COVID to the diagnostic list when we think it has nothing to do with the actual cause of death. The actual cause of death was not COVID, but it’s being reported as one of the diseases processes. … COVID didn’t kill them, 25 years of tobacco use killed.”

It's not to make the disease pressure "look a little bit worse than it is" — it's to get an accurate understanding of how many people contract the disease and die. Using his simplistic example, someone could smoke tobacco for twenty-five years — suddenly they contract the virus and they're suffering from acute respiratory distress syndrome and die, a direct result of the virus. The body's own defenses were weakened by years of smoking but the smoker would still be alive and functioning had they not caught the disease. An elderly person who doesn't move quickly and whose senses aren't that keen might accidentally step into a street and be struck and killed by a car. We don't list the cause of death as "old age".
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hightor
 
  3  
Tue 28 Apr, 2020 06:01 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
You're always good for a giggle, with the hawking choroquinine

What do you call this?

Quote:
I hope it helps.

It doesn't; it can cause severe heart problems. Pay attention, this was already posted:


COVID-19 treatment: FDA says hydroxychloroquine touted by Trump is not safe or effective
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blatham
 
  3  
Tue 28 Apr, 2020 06:23 am
Quote:
How Trump and His Team Covered Up the Coronavirus in Five Days

The president and senior officials manipulated Americans and played down the severity of the pandemic.

...But the White House did not want the American public to know.

The president’s stated concerns were specific. He didn’t want to upset the markets or China during trade talks, and it appears he may have also simply been in denial, counting on his personal hunches and luck.

So the president’s top advisers took to the airwaves with a united purpose: to deny the truth.

...In effect, for five days, the president along with some of his closest senior officials disseminated an egregiously false message to Americans. The messaging would continue well beyond those days until the stark images of refrigerated morgue trucks and spiked lines on colored graphs showed the escalating numbers of cases and dead.

Understanding this playbook is not only important in its own terms. It goes to the heart of whether Americans can trust this administration in the months ahead when they must make life-or-death decisions about how to protect their health and when to reboot the economy.
NYT
blatham
 
  2  
Tue 28 Apr, 2020 06:31 am
It is during my morning bathroom activities when I most appreciate the Marie Kondo philosophy.
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blatham
 
  2  
Tue 28 Apr, 2020 07:41 am
The goal posts are here.
No they're not, they're here.
Actually, not there either. They're here like I've said all along....

Quote:
New York's Olivia Nuzzi asked the final question at yesterday's White House press briefing, and it was a doozy: "If an American president loses more Americans over the course of six weeks than died in the entirety of the Vietnam War, does he deserve to be reelected?"

The reaction to the question from assorted far-right websites was unkind, but Donald Trump didn't seem to take issue with the premise. He replied:

Quote:
"So, yeah, we've lost a lot of people. But if you look at what original projections were -- 2.2 million -- we're probably heading to 60,000, 70,000. It's far too many. One person is too many for this. And I think we've made a lot of really good decisions."


The president went on to try to defend the White House's record, concluding, "I think we've done a great job."

By any fair measure, looking for evidence of Team Trump doing "a great job" addressing the crisis is a difficult exercise, but let's not brush past too quickly the new numbers the president presented to the press and the public.

Exactly one week earlier, Trump held a briefing and shared his expectations for the pandemic's U.S. death toll: "[W]e're going toward 50, I'm hearing, or 60,000 people. One is too many. I always say it: One is too many. But we're going toward 50- or 60,000 people.... We could end up at 50 to 60. Okay?"

That was last Monday. This Monday, the goalposts shifted: 50,000 to 60,000 has become 60,000 to 70,000.

The obvious problem with last week's projection is that it was obviously far too optimistic. Within four days of Trump saying the U.S. death toll could end up as low as 50,000, the number of fatalities cleared that threshold and kept going.

Which apparently meant it was time for a new bar.

The lesson the president should've learned last week is that sharing overly rosy projections with the public is unwise. But Trump appears to have missed that lesson entirely, concluding that the smarter tack is to quietly move the goalposts and hope no one notices.

Except, this strategy isn't likely to go well, either. The U.S. death toll will clear 56,000 today, and barring a miracle, projections show the number will climb above 60,000 next week, if not sooner.

Will Trump appear before the cameras next week and declare. "We're probably heading to 70,000, 80,000"?
Benen
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blatham
 
  3  
Tue 28 Apr, 2020 08:09 am
The expansive vistas of Trump's mind
Quote:
CBS News
@CBSNews
Trump: "There has been so much unnecessary death in this country. It could have been stopped and it could have been stopped short, but somebody a long time ago, it seems, decided not to do it that way. And the whole world is suffering because of it."

On a clear day, you can see forever and ever and ever.

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blatham
 
  2  
Tue 28 Apr, 2020 08:18 am
MUST MUST MUST WATCH

glitterbag
 
  3  
Tue 28 Apr, 2020 08:58 am
@blatham,
WOW just WOW.........I guffawed.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Tue 28 Apr, 2020 11:10 am
@blatham,
Quote:
...In effect, for five days, the president along with some of his closest senior officials disseminated an egregiously false message to Americans. The messaging would continue well beyond those days until the stark images of refrigerated morgue trucks and spiked lines on colored graphs showed the escalating numbers of cases and dead.

Why does the NYT forget all of the misinformation they gave at the start of this. Them and the talking heads on CNN and MSNBC. They are guilty of the same thing and are now working to prolong the panic.

In short, the article is bullshit because what they say can never be proven.
farmerman
 
  3  
Tue 28 Apr, 2020 11:23 am
@coldjoint,
I wonder where the NYT got their information. The MSM (FOX) had been denying the danger of this disease from the get-go. AND< I can only assume that, Trump gets all his info from FOX (as long as they keep kissing his ass)
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Tue 28 Apr, 2020 11:26 am
Hey Twitter fans, here are some tweets modified a bit from Nancy Pelosi concerning the Kavanaugh episode.
https://d12gryx1lo44v2.cloudfront.net/articles/48a1e6a0-058d-41cd-b745-a4eb57400ad2.jpg
https://d12gryx1lo44v2.cloudfront.net/articles/611d5235-c99c-45a6-b5f6-8ae8e5ae0f89.jpg
https://d12gryx1lo44v2.cloudfront.net/articles/02fe1533-0428-48c4-b346-46b88b9b7bbe.jpg
https://disrn.com/news/opinion-updated-some-of-pelosis-tweets-in-light-of-accusations-against-biden
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Tue 28 Apr, 2020 11:29 am
https://d12gryx1lo44v2.cloudfront.net/articles/eb3f1dc6-da80-4047-aee0-68c9c0bd7e61.jpg
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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Tue 28 Apr, 2020 11:33 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
had been denying the danger of this disease from the get-go.

So did everyone else. I posted NY's original reaction and they told NYers they were low risk and not to worry.

As it turns out the disease gets less deadly every day. The lockdowns appear to have been a mistake. Remember numbers do not lie when they are not manipulated.
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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Tue 28 Apr, 2020 11:35 am
https://d12gryx1lo44v2.cloudfront.net/articles/32e0488f-941a-4e61-8604-982a9ca1c953.jpg

https://disrn.com/news/opinion-updated-some-of-pelosis-tweets-in-light-of-accusations-against-biden
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blatham
 
  2  
Tue 28 Apr, 2020 11:43 am
@glitterbag,
She did that brilliantly, didn't she.
glitterbag
 
  3  
Tue 28 Apr, 2020 11:45 am
@blatham,
It looked so natural in a glorious funny way. I love all the hand gestures, funny and not distasteful.....
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