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blatham
 
  2  
Tue 7 Apr, 2020 01:12 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote:
How much credence and prescience are you giving Navarro? Asking for a friend...

It depends on context. For example, before Trump's nomination, one of his loudest critics in the GOP was Lindsey Graham.
Quote:
“If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed.......and we will deserve it.”
And Graham, as you'll recall, described Trump as "a conman". Post-nomination, everything changed.

But that's not a terribly good example as it probably demonstrates Graham's positioning as merely a matter of convenience in the moment. We could conclude that the fellow's words are simply not to be trusted.

Navarro's case is a bit different. When he wrote his initial analyses on the dangers of this pandemic spread, he had no motivation to be a cheerleader for Trump as the administration had taken no solid position on the problem. He could speak honestly without political ramifications. But presently, quite a different situation is in place and he no longer has such liberties.
McGentrix
 
  1  
Tue 7 Apr, 2020 01:16 pm
@blatham,
Fair answer.
MontereyJack
 
  4  
Tue 7 Apr, 2020 01:16 pm
@coldjoint,
to the contrary. I've heard far more of his documented 13000 plus lies, mistruths, exaggerations, bogus statistics, and outright fabrications than I care to, and I've seen far more of his violations of the law, democracy and decency than any American should have to witness in a president.
blatham
 
  4  
Tue 7 Apr, 2020 01:24 pm
@McGentrix,
You're a fair guy.
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coldjoint
 
  -4  
Tue 7 Apr, 2020 01:31 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
I've heard far more of his documented 13000 plus lies, mistruths, exaggerations, bogus statistics, and outright fabrications

There has been just as many lies from the MSM. They are really good at outright fabrications, like Russian collusion.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  5  
Tue 7 Apr, 2020 01:52 pm
@hightor,
It emerged that none of the four US drug company treatments that Donald Trump claimed could help UK's PM Johnson recover from Covid-19 have been clinically tested for coronavirus or are available on the market. Downing Street indicated it did not wish to take up the offer of experimental drugs.

Donald Trump's drugs 'to help Boris Johnson' not tested against coronavirus
Quote:
Some of the drugs only available on named patient basis or not properly tested yet

None of the treatments the four US “genius” drug companies that Donald Trump claims could help Boris Johnson recover from Covid-19 are clinically tested for coronavirus or available on the market, it has emerged.

Trump said he had spoken to four companies working with the US government on Monday and had asked two of them to “contact London immediately” about assisting with the prime minister’s treatment.

Downing Street has indicated it does not wish to take up Trump’s offer of experimental drugs.

Nonetheless, one of the companies, Gilead, which made the drug Remdesivir that was used in trials for Ebola treatment, confirmed that the president had spoken to its chief executive. But it said its therapeutic drug had not yet been clinically tested, a process that was under way.

“He did call our our CEO in the day yesterday but we cannot go beyond that,” said a spokeswoman.

Trump implied that drugs that could help the prime minister were on their way to St Thomas’ hospital in London where Johnson remains in intensive care.

“I’ve talked to four of them today and they speak a language that most people do not understand but I understand something … they’ve really advanced therapeutics and therapeutically and they’ve arrived in London already, their London office has whatever they need and we will see if we can be of help.

“We’ve contacted all of Boris’s doctors and we’ll see what is going to take place but they are ready to go,” he said.

But on Tuesday a spokeswoman at Gilead’s London’s headquarters said its drug, Remdesivir, had not been tested yet and would only be available if a patient’s doctor specifically requested it.

It was developed more than 10 years ago after a decade of research around hepatitis C and respiratory syncytial virus.

Research scientists have explored the compound for multiple potential uses to help address urgent and unmet medical needs around the world, including Ebola, Sars, Marburg, Mers and most recently Covid-19.

Laboratory trials for its use as a treatment for Sars were successful in 2014 but as the virus burned itself out clinical trials could not take place.

“It is critical we do these clinical trials [for Covid-19] and show its efficacy. It would be irresponsible to make it widely available,” the company said.

It has made it available to 1,700 on a “compassionate” basis but only when a physician requests it for a named patient.

The company said yesterday it planned to donate 1.5m doses of Remdesivir to ongoing clinical trials with hopes that it can produce enough for a million treatment courses by the end of the year.

The White House confirmed the president had spoken to three other companies yesterday Genentech, Amgen and Regeneron but none of their products are available even on a compassionate basis.

Last week the Californian biotech company Amgen announced it was teaming up with the Seattle-based Adaptive Biotechnologies to try to identify virus-neutralising antibodies which would help them engineer a treatment – but this investigation is only at the starting blocks. DeCode Genetics, an Iceland-based subsidiary of Amgen, will provide genetic insights from patients who have recovered from Covid-19.

Genentech, a subsidiary of the Swiss pharmaceutical company Roche which is credited with the success of testing in Germany, is in advanced stages of investigation into an arthritis drug Actemra as a treatment for coronavirus.

The first patients enrolled in a phase three trial in France and Spain. Participants have to have severe cases of Covid-19 marked by pneumonia and require hospitalisation. Initial results are expected in the summer, according to Reuters.

The company has teamed up with Sanofi in France to expand a trial of its rheumatoid arthritis drug Kevzara to patients outside the US where trials have just started. It is now enrolling patients in Italy, Spain, Germany, France, Canada, and Russia. The US trials began last week.

Trump’s claims that an antimalarial drug could be used to treat coronavirus have previously been discounted.
McGentrix
 
  0  
Tue 7 Apr, 2020 01:56 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Quote:

Trump’s claims that an antimalarial drug could be used to treat coronavirus have previously been discounted.



https://able2know.org/topic/547046-1

They've only been discounted by the liberal media and TDS.
izzythepush
 
  3  
Tue 7 Apr, 2020 01:57 pm
@Setanta,
I thought it was a typo, the r is next to the t. Trump definitely is a winnnet
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Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Tue 7 Apr, 2020 02:02 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
They've only been discounted by the liberal media and TDS.
Well, it certainly might be that the UK's MHRA (Medicines And Health Products Regulatory Agency) and especially Gilead’s London’s headquarters and the others quoted are wrong.
McGentrix
 
  -2  
Tue 7 Apr, 2020 02:04 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

McGentrix wrote:
They've only been discounted by the liberal media and TDS.
Well, it certainly might be that the UK's MHRA (Medicines And Health Products Regulatory Agency) is wrong.


Quite possible indeed.
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izzythepush
 
  4  
Tue 7 Apr, 2020 02:13 pm
@McGentrix,
And the people it’s killed.

You grumpiest really are bloody stupid.

You’ve been told how the studies are flawed and of the deaths caused by ingesting this substance, but you’re so desperate to lick Trump’s shitty ringpiece that you refuse to see the truth.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Tue 7 Apr, 2020 02:19 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
You’ve been told how the studies are flawed and of the deaths caused by ingesting this substance,

You have been told Muslim men are raping your children. But you are so busy licking Islam's ass that you refuse to see the truth. What is your excuse?
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McGentrix
 
  0  
Tue 7 Apr, 2020 02:22 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

And the people it’s killed.

You grumpiest really are bloody stupid.

You’ve been told how the studies are flawed and of the deaths caused by ingesting this substance, but you’re so desperate to lick Trump’s shitty ringpiece that you refuse to see the truth.



Do you work at being as dumb as you are or were you just born that way? Go to the link, read the research and stop mouthing off about what you know nothing about.
izzythepush
 
  3  
Tue 7 Apr, 2020 02:53 pm
@McGentrix,
You’re right I know nothing about arselicking, and you are the master.

I have read the research, I understand it, you clearly don’t or you just love crawling on your belly too much.

Johnson is a bloody idiot, but even he’s not stupid enough to try any of Trump’s crackpot cures.

Wanna buy a bridge?
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Tue 7 Apr, 2020 02:55 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:



You grumpiest really are bloody stupid.




Bloody spell check, I typed trumpies.
Brand X
 
  3  
Tue 7 Apr, 2020 03:03 pm
The Times of Israel
@TimesofIsrael
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Israel agrees to halt most demolitions of Palestinian buildings during pandemi
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Tue 7 Apr, 2020 03:09 pm
@Brand X,
Quote:
Israel agrees to halt most demolitions of Palestinian buildings during pandemi

And we need to know that?
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glitterbag
 
  5  
Tue 7 Apr, 2020 03:10 pm
@izzythepush,
It's 17:00 hours EST, it's almost time for Dear Leader to begin the daily Indoctrination. He hasn't quite managed to dominate television in the way that Nicolae Ceausescu or Fidel Castro or Chairman Mao could while speechifying, our daily indoctrination only last between 90 minutes to just a tad past 2 hours. But Dear Leader loves to talk, loves to be in the spotlight, and despairs when eyeballs are looking at anything other than his glorious self. I wonder how long it will take before he stretches his 'talk' out to three hours a night??
coldjoint
 
  -3  
Tue 7 Apr, 2020 03:20 pm
Another opinion.
Quote:
Epidemiologist: Coronavirus could be ‘exterminated’ if lockdowns were lifted

Quote:
Going outdoors is what stops every respiratory disease’

A veteran scholar of epidemiology has warned that the ongoing lockdowns throughout the United States and the rest of the world are almost certainly just prolonging the coronavirus outbreak rather than doing anything to truly mitigate it.

If true, not good.
Quote:
“[W]hat people are trying to do is flatten the curve. I don’t really know why. But, what happens is if you flatten the curve, you also prolong, to widen it, and it takes more time. And I don’t see a good reason for a respiratory disease to stay in the population longer than necessary,” he said.

“With all respiratory diseases, the only thing that stops the disease is herd immunity. About 80% of the people need to have had contact with the virus, and the majority of them won’t even have recognized that they were infected, or they had very, very mild symptoms, especially if they are children.
Asked about Anthony Fauci, the White House medical expert who for weeks has been predicting significant numbers of COVID-19 deaths in America as well as major ongoing disruptions to daily life possibly for years, Wittkowski replied: “Well, I’m not paid by the government, so I’m entitled to actually do science.”

https://www.thecollegefix.com/epidemiologist-coronavirus-could-be-exterminated-if-lockdowns-were-lifted/





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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Tue 7 Apr, 2020 03:22 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
Indoctrination.

That is what your government job did to you, comrade.
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