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Builder
 
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Tue 7 Apr, 2020 12:31 am
@coldjoint,
Quote:
And do not tell me there is not a plan to turn any crisis into a political weapon for the Democrats.


Australia's criminal Tory govt declared parliament to be suspended, and appointed a bunch of un-elected cronies and donors the task of "fixing the economy" during the crisis, while electing to keep schools open, but imposing ridiculous scenarios on a multitude of businesses, ensuring that the economy will be in the shitter, while the children get to "share" their non-isolated status with their housebound parents.

Popular beaches are now being closed, along with national parks, recreational boating, camping, and crossing borders now carries severe penalties.

On appearance, Trump is doing a helluva lot better than close allies, Great Britain, and Australia, both governed by dithering Tory admins.

It wouldn't matter what he did, though; McG said it above; these NEVERTRUMP cretins here would dream up some way to critique his efforts in the negative.

The comical bit being, their president couldn't give a flying **** what they think.
Builder
 
  0  
Tue 7 Apr, 2020 12:33 am
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
No, Im not.


So your state voted for the President? Nice.

Quote:
Are you?


Am I what? American?
We both know the answer to that.
MontereyJack
 
  1  
Tue 7 Apr, 2020 12:41 am
@Builder,
CA has the fifth largest economy IN THE WORLD. its population is the same as the aggegate pop, of 22 sates. It's our economic powerhouse. Given the way you rightists **** on them and their success, im not surprised some want to be shut of you.
trump has made it very clear, he's president for his base and the rest of us wont get anything from him. He's written himself off as our president so why should we support him.



















MontereyJack
 
  1  
Tue 7 Apr, 2020 12:44 am
@Builder,
No. we voted with the majority of the country. For Hillary.
MontereyJack
 
  1  
Tue 7 Apr, 2020 12:48 am
@Builder,
Trump's not doing t. It's the states and the cities that are doing it while he blithers sand ignores the lousy job he's done.
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Builder
 
  0  
Tue 7 Apr, 2020 01:08 am
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
He's written himself off as our president so why should we support him.


If you're serious about not having him as a president, then Biden isn't worth supporting.

Find a real candidate worthy of support. He's finished.
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Builder
 
  0  
Tue 7 Apr, 2020 01:10 am
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
No. we voted with the majority of the country.


There's the map. Need I say more? The electoral college did a fine job.

https://int.nyt.com/newsgraphics/elections/2016/assets/screenshots/president-lead-win-600.png
Builder
 
  -1  
Tue 7 Apr, 2020 01:25 am
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
CA has the fifth largest economy IN THE WORLD


At this point in time, that actually means very little.

How many people are homeless in California?
151,278 individuals
How many people are homeless? At last official count 151,278 individuals are homeless in California, according to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development. That's the highest number since at least 2007, and represents a nearly 17% uptick since 2018.Dec 31, 2019

There's also the Slab City folks, who aren't technically homeless, but certainly not partaking of the positivity in the "economy", per se, are they?

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 7 Apr, 2020 02:52 am
Quote:
“Epidemics are dangerous to rulers.”


Hydroxychloroquine: how an unproven drug became Trump’s coronavirus 'miracle cure'
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With help from Fox News and Elon Musk, a misleading French study prompted a wave of misinformation that made its way to the president
[...]
The story of how hydroxychloroquine was anointed the Trump administration’s miracle drug for the coronavirus pandemic is a distinctly modern tale of misinformation within a global information ecosystem beset by widespread uncertainty, fear, media fragmentation and hyper-partisanship. Belief in the drug’s potential to cure patients infected with the virus followed an extraordinary trajectory from a small study conducted in France (Trump’s “very good test”) to Silicon Valley social media influencers, Fox News, and the largest bully pulpit: the White House.

But it’s also a story as old as medicine itself. When an epidemic killed thousands in ancient Rome, said Aaron Shakow, a research associate at Harvard Medical School and historian of medicine, the chief physician of the emperor Nero circulated a recipe for an old miracle cure.

“It was an attempt by Nero to sustain his legitimacy in the midst of this catastrophic event,” Shakow said. “Epidemics are dangerous to rulers.”

A deeply flawed study
In early March, as the coronavirus pandemic accelerated its spread around the globe, a group of scientists in Marseilles, France, launched an experiment to see whether hydroxychloroquine, a well-known old malaria drug, could be what everyone was searching for: a cure.

Most small scientific studies live and die within the rarified domain of academic journals, but the French trial had a much more auspicious debut. Before the study was even published, in the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents (IJAA), a lawyer falsely claiming an affiliation with Stanford University appeared on Fox News’s Tucker Carlson Tonight to declare the results: a “100% cure rate against coronavirus”. From Fox News, it was only a matter of time (hours, in fact) before the drug was being hailed as a “game changer” by the president of the United States.

Trump made his first endorsement of hydroxychloroquine on 19 March. Export controls, shortages, overdoses, and scientific recriminations rapidly ensued, but the controversy could not extinguish the power of presidentially endorsed hope. Across the globe and throughout diverse communities on the internet, hydroxychloroquine had been anointed the miracle cure for Covid-19.

The only problem? The study that all this fervid hope is based on doesn’t show what its authors claim it does.
[... ... ...]
This is how an experiment in which 15% of the treatment group and 0% of the control had poor clinical outcomes could end up being reported as showing a “100% cure rate”.
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farmerman
 
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Tue 7 Apr, 2020 04:26 am
@Builder,
Quote:
The electoral college did a fine job.
of disenfranchising people in small population states (as the Founders wished), today, the electoral college disenfranchises large population states like Calif . Lets just do away with"Winner take all". That would level the playing field a bit more.

TRUMP would have lost because in the popular vote Trump was "runner up"
blatham
 
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Tue 7 Apr, 2020 05:29 am
Very large surprise here
Quote:
TimKarr
@TimKarr
13m
The
@NYTimes
buries the lede in the 23rd paragraph:

The president’s three family trusts all have investments in a mutual fund whose largest holding is Sanofi, which manufacturers the brand-name version of hydroxychloroquine.
NYT story here

And I'll wager Giuliani is also invested.
blatham
 
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Tue 7 Apr, 2020 05:59 am
I just read some of Modly's comments to the crew of the carrier after they cheered their fired commander. Just a tad political, this dumbfuck.
Setanta
 
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Tue 7 Apr, 2020 06:11 am
In fact, the Electoral College was one of two measures meant to reassure small states that they would not be overwhelmed by states with large populations (the other measure was the Senate).

The "winner-take-all" nature of the Electoral College is not a product of the constitution. By the time of the 1824 election, the Federalist Party was effective dead, electing only a few Representatives, here and there in the northeast. In 1824, from a field of nine candidates of the Democratic-Republican Party, usually just referred to as Republicans (no relations to the political scum of today), the field was winnowed down to four candidates. It was widely expected that Andrew Jackson would win (he sorta, kinda did), and that John Quincy Adams would come in second, and thereby become the Vice President. Jackson took the most popular votes, and the most electoral votes--but he did not get 50% of either vote. Therefore, the election was thrown into the House of Representatives. That was a contingent election, with each state casting one vote. Only the top three candidates were involved, and Crawford, who had come third, was in poor health, and was not expected to win. It was basically a run-off between Jackson and Adams. (Crawford did win three states in the contingent election, held in February, 1825, but that wasn't even close.) The candidate who had come fourth, Henry Clay, was the Speaker of the House. He also loathed Jackson, having once said in a letter that he didn't think that killing 2500 Englishmen at New Orleans qualified Jackson for the office. An anonymous editorial in a Philadelphia newspaper before the contingent election said that Clay would support Adams, because Adams would then make Clay the Secretary of State. That was, in fact, what happened. Clay threw his considerable support to Adams, who won the contingent election, and then appointed Clay Secretary of State.

Well, Jackson had not built a military or a political career by sitting around stewing about what might have been. He used the network of militia officers in Tennessee and his connections among southern officers who had served with him at New Orleans, and created the Democratic Party. (Democrats who call themselves the party of Jefferson are full of horseshit.) In the 1828 election, Jackson trounced Adams, taking 56% of the popular vote, and beating him by more than two to one in the Electoral College. Democrats also won several state houses. In 1832, the Democrats took more state houses. It was in 1832 and afterward that states passed bills to make electoral votes "winner-take-all."

Although not mandated by the constitution (nor prohibited by it), there has always been an understanding that states certify their own elections. (That is, until 2000, when the Rhenquist court intervened to end the Florida recount. John Marshall had establish the principle that the Federal courts and especially the Supremes are the arbiters of constitutionality--see Marbury versus Madison, 1803. The 2000 decision is the first time that the Supremes have intervened in a state certifying an election. When the body charged with protecting constitutionality, violates constitutionality, there is no appeal.) The only way to end the tyranny of winner-take-all in the Electoral College would be by constitutional amendment. Although a case could be made that large population states are disfranchised by the EC, that is disingenuous--Texas and Florida have large populations, but they typically vote for conservative candidate. Eliminating the EC would disfranchise the small states, mostly agricultural. Agriculture is, as it always has been, the economic bulwark of the United States.

Therefore, I would recommend a constitutional amendment to require electoral votes to be apportioned based on the popular vote--which is what they do in Maine and Nebraska. That way, no one is disfranchised, and the small states don't get trampled by the populous states.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 7 Apr, 2020 06:17 am
@blatham,
Because of "completely wrong and manipulative statements" in the social media the prominent Turkish moderator Fatih Portakal will be prosecuted. t President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said so at least - he denounced the moderator after criticising the government's handling of the Corona crisis. Erdogan's lawyer Ahmet Özel has applied for the opening of proceedings against Portakal, the state news agency Anadolu reported. The accusation is therefore an insult to the president.

According to Anadolu, the background to the accusation is a tweet from the moderator on Monday evening, in which he ironically comments on a speech previously given by Erdogan.



I wonder, if this is already known to the White House ...
snood
 
  1  
Tue 7 Apr, 2020 06:25 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

I just read some of Modly's comments to the crew of the carrier after they cheered their fired commander. Just a tad political, this dumbfuck.

That dumbfuck flew thousands of miles to get to Guam and deliver that speech.
Setanta
 
  0  
Tue 7 Apr, 2020 06:27 am
@snood,
snood wrote:
That dumbfuck flew thousands of miles to get to Guam and deliver that speech.


Yeah, and on the taxpayers' dime.
blatham
 
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Tue 7 Apr, 2020 06:30 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I'd guess that authoritarian types will react in similar ways and that they recognize (and have affinity for) each other. One of the truly ugly aspects of the Trump administration is that it is setting up a model that people like Erdogan and Bolsonaro are more than happy to follow and to use as justification in their own countries.
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NSFW (view)
blatham
 
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Tue 7 Apr, 2020 06:42 am
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“When I did China, it had never been done before,” he said. “I was the first one to do it."

First of all, Trump has repeated this so often that I cannot imagine how angry McGentrix is having to hear that again and again and again. But aside from that...

Fact check.
Quote:
In any case, the United States certainly was not the first country — by a long shot. We reviewed a list of country actions maintained by the Council on Foreign Relations and cross-checked with official announcements. Six countries imposed travel restrictions even before the World Health Organization declared a global health emergency on Jan. 30. Another six announced travel restrictions that same day, followed by 11 countries (besides the United States) announcing restrictions Jan. 31.

But most countries imposed the restrictions immediately. By the time Trump’s restrictions took effect Feb. 2, an additional 15 countries had taken similar actions — and in some cases enacted even tougher bans. But in any case, that adds up to 38 countries taking action before or at the same time the U.S. restrictions were put in place...
WP

To even imagine that Trump would tell a lie turns my whole world upside down.
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snood
 
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Tue 7 Apr, 2020 06:49 am
Who’s shocked? Trump has a personal financial interest in people trying his “game changer” medication...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-reportedly-has-financial-interest-in-hydroxychloroquine-manufacturer
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