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oralloy
 
  -2  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 04:29 pm
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:
going to avoid the progressive thread until certain undesirables (deplorable's) don't post so much. Which is why I haven't been around too much.

Why do you object so much to the good guys?
MontereyJack
 
  3  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 05:43 pm
@oralloy,
You're not one.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 05:44 pm
@MontereyJack,
Yes I am. Note the way I always oppose your evilness.
MontereyJack
 
  3  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 05:54 pm
@oralloy,
which precisely shows why you're not a good guy.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 06:04 pm
@MontereyJack,
My opposition to your evilness is evidence that I am one of the good guys.

Good guys oppose evil. It's what we do.
MontereyJack
 
  5  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 06:04 pm
@oralloy,
Our incompetent president just came out as against expanded voting opportunities fo
as possible for people to vote in the general election presently likely to be held in Nov., coronavirus permitting, saying that expanding the ways people can vote would mean that Republicans would never win an election. What an unwittingly revealing line, saying that the Repubs are so unpopular and disliked by the American people that if people coulk
ld cast their votes more easily, Republicans would never be the people's choice. In other words they are really the minor party and their only hope is to make it nto office is to make it as hard as possible for people to vote.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 06:05 pm
@MontereyJack,
The Democrats are the ones who have a history of disenfranchising voters. Note the 2008 Michigan presidential primary.
MontereyJack
 
  4  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 06:10 pm
@oralloy,
Nonsense. L<ook at the 2018 elections, with a faurduletn republicn vote in NC, and mass disenfranchisement by republican election officials in GA.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 06:11 pm
@MontereyJack,
Facts are not nonsense despite their perpetual inconvenience to progressives.

It is a fact that the Democrats have a history of disenfranchising voters.

Again note the 2008 Michigan presidential primary.
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hightor
 
  6  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 06:41 pm
@Builder,
Quote:
Blackmail, is a descriptor that fits the bill.


No, it's nothing like "blackmail". If you had gone on about extortion I might have let it pass but trying to foist it off as "blackmail" is amateurish, at best:

Quote:
Blackmail is an act of coercion using the threat of revealing or publicizing either substantially true or false information about a person or people unless certain demands are met. It is often damaging information, and may be revealed to family members or associates rather than to the general public. It may involve using threats of physical, mental or emotional harm, or of criminal prosecution, against the victim or someone close to the victim. It is normally carried out for personal gain, most commonly of position, money, or property.


The House majority never "blackmailed" anyone. Speaker Pelosi acted responsibly and well within the traditional bounds of congressional procedure. Over. Done. She won. Move on. A fourth spending bill is already being put together.

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Trump to Governors: I’d Like You to Do Us a Favor, Though

Once again, the president is using aid to extort re-election help.

Quote:
Last December, during a congressional hearing on impeachment, the Stanford Law professor Pamela Karlan tried to explain the gravity of Donald Trump’s Ukraine quid pro quo by making a domestic analogy.

Members of Congress, she said, should imagine living in a state “prone to devastating hurricanes and flooding.” What would they think, she asked, if their governor requested a meeting with the president to talk about disaster assistance, and he replied, “I would like you to do us a favor”?

Karlan seemed to assume that the grotesquerie of this hypothetical would be obvious. Now, with American life upended by coronavirus, her flagrantly corrupt scenario has come close to reality.

True, Trump is not demanding that governors investigate Joe Biden in exchange for federal help. But he’s strongly suggested that if governors speak candidly about his monumental incompetence, he’ll penalize them and their states as they struggle to contain the coronavirus. Once again, he’s using his control of vital aid to extort assistance with his re-election.

(...)

At a news conference last week, Trump said that he had instructed Vice President Mike Pence, whom he has placed in charge of the coronavirus response, not to call the governors of some blue states where the pandemic is raging. “I say: ‘Mike, don’t call the governor of Washington. You’re wasting your time with him. Don’t call the woman in Michigan,’” he said, adding, “If they don’t treat you right, I don’t call.”

“The woman in Michigan,” of course, is Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, whose state has one of the nation’s most brutal coronavirus outbreaks. Trump’s contempt for Whitmer isn’t surprising, given his well-documented disdain for female leaders. As he weighed a federal disaster declaration for Michigan, he told Sean Hannity, “We’ve had a big problem with the young, a woman governor from — you know who I’m talking about — from Michigan. We can’t — we don’t like to see the complaints.”

(...)

nyt
oralloy
 
  -2  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 06:44 pm
@hightor,
Come on. That's nitpicking.
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Builder
 
  -2  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 07:35 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
No, it's nothing like "blackmail".


Extortion it is then. Thanks for the heads up, though.
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coldjoint
 
  0  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 07:36 pm
@hightor,
The NYT left this out about the Governor. Not that I expect the truth from them.
Quote:
Opinion: Michigan’s doctors fight coronavirus, and governor's office

Quote:
But if you live in Michigan, and you or a loved one is infected with this potentially lethal disease, you’re out of luck.

Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs literally threatened all doctors and pharmacists in the state who prescribe or dispense hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19.

The agency’s March 24 letter warns physicians and pharmacists of professional consequences for the prescribing of hydroxychloroquine (and chloroquine). Beyond the rational recommendation against hoarding as production of this medication needs to be ramped up, the letter deviates into open threats of “administrative action” against the licenses of doctors that prescribe hydroxychloroquine.

The letter also instructs pharmacists to ignore physician orders for this medication.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/2020/03/26/opinion-michigans-doctors-fight-coronavirus-and-governors-office/2922272001/
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blatham
 
  3  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 09:25 pm
Quote:
The Trump re-election campaign told TV stations they could lose their operating licenses for airing an ad criticizing the president’s actions in the coronavirus crisis -- a challenge that may be more bluster than actual threat.

President Donald Trump’s campaign, in a letter on Wednesday, told stations in five battleground states to stop showing the ad from Priorities USA, a political action committee that supports Democratic candidate Joe Biden.

Failure to remove the ad “could put your station’s license in jeopardy” before the Federal Communications Commission, the campaign said in the letter. “Your station has an obligation to cease and desist from airing it immediately to comply with FCC licensing requirements.”...
Bloomberg

As lovers of the US Constitution, Trump and his people respect nothing more than the First Amendment. It is to them sacred.

Of course, that's bullshit. Trump and his people are FAR more likely to match Putin's understanding of governance than the US Constitution and the above is a precise example.
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MontereyJack
 
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Mon 30 Mar, 2020 09:38 pm
it's the Repu.bs who are doing their best to disenfranchise voter, NC and GA in 2018 as mentioned. TX aides compiling demographic data to gerrymand voting districts and split up minority distric amons neighboring white districts to weaken the power of minority voters. Repub AGs like Ken Paxton, Ken Cucinelli and Kris Kobach who run badly flawed voter purges which again have the effect of taking legal voters off the rolls. especially inorities and students.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 09:41 pm
@oralloy,
conservatives are unable to tell wheat's good and what's bad Which is among other things why they so rabidly cling to trump.
blatham
 
  1  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 09:46 pm
@MontereyJack,
Yep
oralloy
 
  -3  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 10:17 pm
@blatham,
Progressives like to whitewash history. If progressives had the power of their idol Stalin, those of us who tell the truth would be in real danger.

The fact remains though, the Democrats are the party with the history of disenfranchising voters. They disenfranchised the state of Michigan in the 2008 presidential primaries.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 10:18 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
conservatives are unable to tell what's good and what's bad

We can tell that quite easily. When you justify convicting innocent people of imaginary crimes, that is bad.

When we oppose convicting innocent people of imaginary crimes, that is good.


MontereyJack wrote:
Which is among other things why they so rabidly cling to trump.

Mr. Trump is good because he protects us from progressives. He will not let our civil liberties be violated.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Mon 30 Mar, 2020 10:19 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
it's the Repubs who are doing their best to disenfranchise voter, NC and GA in 2018 as mentioned. TX aides compiling demographic data to gerrymand voting districts and split up minority distric among neighboring white districts to weaken the power of minority voters.

Gerrymandering doesn't prevent anyone from voting.


MontereyJack wrote:
Repub AGs like Ken Paxton, Ken Cucinelli and Kris Kobach who run badly flawed voter purges which again have the effect of taking legal voters off the rolls. especially minorities and students.

Your attempts to whitewash history are futile. In the 2008 primaries, Barack Obama and the Democratic Party conspired to disenfranchise the state of Michigan.

You don't have the power of your idol Stalin so you can't silence me from telling the truth.
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