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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
livinglava
 
  -2  
Thu 26 Mar, 2020 09:40 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Did you even bother to read the article? It concludes:
Quote:
The lesson is not that professionalism should replace democratic politics, or, for that matter, widespread participation by citizens – a conclusion drawn by unashamedly elitist liberals who have sought to reinstate professional gatekeepers everywhere, but especially in primaries. Citizens still know best what their problems are; professionals – in perfectly non-condescending ways – play a crucial role in addressing them. Or, as John Dewey, the greatest American philosopher of democracy in the 20th century, put it, “no government by experts in which the masses do not have the chance to inform the experts as to their needs can be anything but an oligarchy managed in the interests of the few.”


Ok, so it concludes by promoting a utopian vision of a benevolent technocracy.

How is that a response to my post?
hightor
 
  3  
Thu 26 Mar, 2020 11:02 am
@livinglava,
livinglava wrote:

Is this implying that all experts and authorities can never be wrong and should always be trusted and never questioned?


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hightor
 
  4  
Thu 26 Mar, 2020 11:20 am
Trump team failed to follow NSC’s pandemic playbook

The 69-page document, finished in 2016, provided a step by step list of priorities – which were then ignored by the administration

Quote:
The Trump administration, state officials and even individual hospital workers are now racing against each other to get the necessary masks, gloves and other safety equipment to fight coronavirus — a scramble that hospitals and doctors say has come too late and left them at risk. But according to a previously unrevealed White House playbook, the government should’ve begun a federal-wide effort to procure that personal protective equipment at least two months ago.

“Is there sufficient personal protective equipment for healthcare workers who are providing medical care?” the playbook instructs its readers, as one early decision that officials should address when facing a potential pandemic. “If YES: What are the triggers to signal exhaustion of supplies? Are additional supplies available? If NO: Should the Strategic National Stockpile release PPE to states?”

The strategies are among hundreds of tactics and key policy decisions laid out in a 69-page National Security Council playbook on fighting pandemics, which POLITICO is detailing for the first time. Other recommendations include that the government move swiftly to fully detect potential outbreaks, secure supplemental funding and consider invoking the Defense Production Act — all steps in which the Trump administration lagged behind the timeline laid out in the playbook.

“Each section of this playbook includes specific questions that should be asked and decisions that should be made at multiple levels” within the national security apparatus, the playbook urges, repeatedly advising officials to question the numbers on viral spread, ensure appropriate diagnostic capacity and check on the U.S. stockpile of emergency resources.

The playbook also stresses the significant responsibility facing the White House to contain risks of potential pandemics, a stark contrast with the Trump administration’s delays in deploying an all-of-government response and President Donald Trump's recent signals that he might roll back public health recommendations.

“The U.S. government will use all powers at its disposal to prevent, slow or mitigate the spread of an emerging infectious disease threat,” according to the playbook’s built-in “assumptions” about fighting future threats. “The American public will look to the U.S. government for action when multi-state or other significant events occur.”

The guide further calls for a “unified message” on the federal response, in order to best manage the American public's questions and concerns. “Early coordination of risk communications through a single federal spokesperson is critical,” the playbook urges. However, the U.S. response to coronavirus has featured a rotating cast of spokespeople and conflicting messages; Trump already is discussing loosening government recommendations on coronavirus in order to “open” the economy by Easter, despite the objections of public health advisers.

The NSC devised the guide — officially called the Playbook for Early Response to High-Consequence Emerging Infectious Disease Threats and Biological Incidents, but known colloquially as “the pandemic playbook” — across 2016. The project was driven by career civil servants as well as political appointees, aware that global leaders had initially fumbled their response to the 2014-2015 spread of Ebola and wanting to be sure that the next response to an epidemic was better handled.

The Trump administration was briefed on the playbook’s existence in 2017, said four former officials, but two cautioned that it never went through a full, National Security Council-led interagency process to be approved as Trump administration strategy. Tom Bossert, who was then Trump’s homeland security adviser, expressed enthusiasm about its potential as part of the administration’s broader strategy to fight pandemics, two former officials said.

Bossert declined to comment on any particular document, but told POLITICO that “I engaged actively with my outgoing counterpart and took seriously their transition materials and recommendations on pandemic preparedness.”

The playbook was designed “so there wasn’t piecemeal thinking when trying to fight the next public health battle,” said one former official who contributed to the playbook, warning that “the fog of war” can lead to gaps in strategies.

“These are recommended discussions to be having on all levels, to ensure that there’s a structure to make decisions in real-time,” said a second former official.

An NSC official confirmed the existence of the playbook but dismissed its value. “We are aware of the document, although it’s quite dated and has been superseded by strategic and operational biodefense policies published since,” the official said. “The plan we are executing now is a better fit, more detailed, and applies the relevant lessons learned from the playbook and the most recent Ebola epidemic in the [Democratic Republic of the Congo] to COVID-19.”

A health department spokesperson also said that the NSC playbook was not part of the current coronavirus strategy. “The HHS COVID-19 response was informed by more recent plans such as the foundation of the National Biodefense Strategy (2018), Biological Incident Annex (2017),and panCAP (2018) among other key plans provided by the CDC, White House Task Force, FEMA, and other key federal departments and agencies,” the spokesperson said.

Trump has claimed that his administration could not have foreseen the coronavirus pandemic, which has spread to all 50 states and more than 180 nations, sickening more than 460,000 people around the world. “Nobody ever expected a thing like this,” Trump said in a Fox News interview on Tuesday.

But Trump’s aides were told to expect a potential pandemic, ranging from a tabletop exercise that the outgoing Obama administration prepared for the president’s incoming aides to a “Crimson Contagion” scenario that health officials undertook just last year and modeled out potential risks of a global infectious disease threat. Trump’s deputies also have said that their coronavirus response relies on a federal playbook, specifically referring to a strategy laid out by the Centers for Disease Control.

It is not clear if the administration’s failure to follow the NSC playbook was the result of an oversight or a deliberate decision to follow a different course.

The document rested with NSC officials who dealt with medical preparedness and biodefense in the global health security directorate, which the Trump administration disbanded in 2018, four former officials said. The document was originally overseen by Beth Cameron, a former civil servant who led the directorate before leaving the White House in March 2017. Cameron confirmed to POLITICO that the directorate created a playbook for NSC staff intended to help officials confront a range of potential biological threats.

But under the Trump administration, “it just sat as a document that people worked on that was thrown onto a shelf,” said one former U.S. official, who served in both the Obama and Trump administrations. “It’s hard to tell how much senior leaders at agencies were even aware that this existed” or thought it was just another layer of unnecessary bureaucracy.

The NSC playbook would have been especially useful in helping to drive the administration’s response to coronavirus, given that it was intended to guide urgent decisions and coordinate the all-of-government approach that Trump so far has struggled to muster, said people familiar with the document.

The color-coded playbook contains different sections based on the relative risk — green for normal operations, yellow for elevated threat, orange for credible threat and red once a public health emergency is declared — and details the potential roles of dozens of departments and agencies, from key players like the Health and Human Services department to the Department of Transportation and the FBI. It also includes sample documents intended to be used at coordinating meetings.

politico
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Thu 26 Mar, 2020 11:35 am
@hightor,
Quote:
It is not clear if the administration’s failure to follow the NSC playbook was the result of an oversight or a deliberate decision to follow a different course.

There you go, it shoots the whole story down. Trump is his own man and will make decisions for his administration. Following anything the Obama administration did is not what he does.
livinglava
 
  -2  
Thu 26 Mar, 2020 11:54 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
It is not clear if the administration’s failure to follow the NSC playbook was the result of an oversight or a deliberate decision to follow a different course.

There you go, it shoots the whole story down. Trump is his own man and will make decisions for his administration. Following anything the Obama administration did is not what he does.

That is just their way of saying, "look, we left you advice and you didn't take it and we told you so."

Don't you see it's just another tactic to claim their party is better at governing and Trump doesn't listen to them so you should vote him out and vote their person in?

That's all they do because what they want is a controlled social network of agents that serve the collectively-constructed party planning.

If you act independently as an individual, they will descend on you and start hammering you for not conforming to their ways until they can replace you with someone who will.
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Thu 26 Mar, 2020 12:00 pm
@livinglava,
What hightor said
MontereyJack
 
  3  
Thu 26 Mar, 2020 12:07 pm
@livinglava,
So trump makes stupid decisions because he doesn't want to do what Obama did and Obama made smart decisions? That's pretty dumb.
livinglava
 
  -2  
Thu 26 Mar, 2020 12:14 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

What hightor said

Look, Democrats want to stimulate as much (medical) spending as possible, so of course they're going to tell Republicans to buy a lot of medical equipment in preparation for a pandemic.

They could also tell them to spend all their money on fortified bomb shelters for when the pandemic erupts into full-blown nuclear war but how many risks should you responsibly prepare for by spending all your money pre-emptively?

The bottom line is that the medical (supply) industry is exploitative and uses their life-saving powers as leverage to gain economic power; or rather that there are people who seek power, who thus seek to control medicine and health care in the pursuit and exercise of power.

Until you grasp this fundamental sickness of greed and power-hunger within global society, you can't understand how governments and individuals do less than they otherwise could if the medical and health care industries were geared toward providing maximum benefits with a minimum of gate-keeping.

Maybe one day there will be great benevolent industrialists who produce lots of everything that might come in handy during a pandemic and not try to leverage governments and wealth for money and power, but until that day comes, they will be withholding life-saving necessities and blaming it on the politicians and anyone else who doesn't support their dubious objectives of gaining political-economic power by what essentially amounts to taking public health hostage.

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livinglava
 
  -1  
Thu 26 Mar, 2020 12:18 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

So trump makes stupid decisions because he doesn't want to do what Obama did and Obama made smart decisions? That's pretty dumb.

When is it not smart to spend as much as you can on someone else's credit card, if you can get away with it?

People make different decisions when they expect negative repercussions for overspending than when they think the whole economy will just bloom and bloom from their spending and if anything goes wrong, they can just blame it on those who question limitless spending as a panacea to every problem imaginable.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Thu 26 Mar, 2020 12:53 pm
Quote:
UK downgrades COVID-19; no longer a high consequence infectious disease

Quote:
Where is the media roar all over the world—-blasting out the news that the UK government no longer considers COVID an existential threat to all life on Earth?

No giant headlines indicating that the dominos are now starting to fall in another direction—-away from sheer suicidal insanity?

Why have our MSM not reported this? I know why.
https://canadafreepress.com/article/uk-downgrades-covid-19-no-longer-a-high-consequence-infectious-disease
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Thu 26 Mar, 2020 01:11 pm
@coldjoint,
As of 19 March 2020, Covid-19 is no longer considered to be a HCID. (In January 2020, public health officials in the UK designated Covid-19 a HCID, using the information they had access to in the early stages of the country's outbreak.)

Since this is so important for you - I'd thought, you lived in the USA, but I might be wrong - you certainly know what it means.


For the others: HCID in the UK is defined according to the following criteria:
Quote:
acute infectious diseasetypically has a high case-fatality ratemay not have effective prophylaxis or treatmentoften difficult to recognise and detect rapidlyability to spread in the community and within healthcare settingsrequires an enhanced individual, population and system response to ensure it is managed effectively, efficiently and safely

HCIDs are then further classified into two groups - contact and airborne HCIDs. The former are spread by direct contact with an infected patient or infected tissues, fluids and other materials - or indirect contact with contaminated materials and fomites (objects or materials which are likely to carry infection).
The latter are spread by aerosol transmission or respiratory droplets in addition to the contact routes of transmission.

Since several features of the Covid-19 coronavirus have changed in the interim between January and March, meaning the virus no longer matches enough HCID criteria to be considered one.


Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Thu 26 Mar, 2020 01:15 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
Why have our MSM not reported this? I know why.
It has been reported .... at least in the country, where
Public Health England, the executive agency of the Department of Health and Social Care in the United Kingdom is working.

If, if coldkoint really doesn't live in the UK but in the USA: are public health notices from all over the world reported by the media there?
I mean, do you get the updates from e.g. our Robert Koch Institute or the
European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control? If 'no', why doesn't the MSM report this?
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Setanta
 
  3  
Thu 26 Mar, 2020 01:19 pm
Canada Free Press . . . Ah-hahahahahahahahahahaha . . .

They make Redstate look reasonable. Here's what Media Bias/Fact Check has to say:

Quote:
A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for the purpose of profit or influence. Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact checked on a per article basis. Please note sources on this list are not considered fake news unless specifically written in the reasoning section for that source.

Overall, we rate Canada Free Press Questionable based on extreme right wing bias, promotion of conspiracies and numerous false claims.


(Internal links from the quoted page have been removed.)

Article at Media Bias/Fact Check
coldjoint
 
  0  
Thu 26 Mar, 2020 01:20 pm
@Setanta,
Your fact checkers are biased. The truth speaks for itself. If you want to dispute what the article says, have at it. Attacking the source only shows you have nothing to say.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Thu 26 Mar, 2020 01:27 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
The truth speaks for itself. If you want to dispute what the article says, have at it.
Fine.
Why don't you look at the date when Public Health England (the SOURCE!!!!) published their decission? And again: do you live in the UK? Even when you do: what changes??? In spite of this change in classification, the government has reiterated that the need to have a national, coordinated response to the virus still remains. This means every individual in the UK must follow the instructions given by the government to minimise the spread of coronavirus. These instructions are:
Quote:
Only go outside for food, health reasons or work (where this absolutely cannot be done from home)Stay 2 metres (6 feet) away from other people. Wash your hands as soon as you get home ... ...


Edit: of course, now the restrictions are even a bit stronger than on 19 March 2020,
livinglava
 
  -1  
Thu 26 Mar, 2020 01:32 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Since several features of the Covid-19 coronavirus have changed in the interim between January and March, meaning the virus no longer matches enough HCID criteria to be considered one.

What about all the deaths reported in the media?

What about those then? Fake news?
coldjoint
 
  0  
Thu 26 Mar, 2020 01:36 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Fine.

It is with me. The purpose of my post was to show our media decided not to report it and the reason why. You check whatever source you want.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Thu 26 Mar, 2020 01:38 pm
@livinglava,
livinglava wrote:

What about all the deaths reported in the media?

What about those then? Fake news?
How is that related to the HCID criteria by Public Health England?

Public Health England wrote:
As of 9am on 26 March 2020, a total of 104,866 people have been tested, of which 93,208 were confirmed negative and 11,658 were confirmed positive.

As of 5pm on 25 March 2020, 578 patients in the UK who tested positive for coronavirus (COVID-19) have died.
Setanta
 
  4  
Thu 26 Mar, 2020 01:38 pm
@coldjoint,
Walter has handled the light work, he needs no help from me. You really need to learn not to shoot your mouth off when you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
oralloy
 
  0  
Thu 26 Mar, 2020 01:38 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
So trump makes stupid decisions because he doesn't want to do what Obama did and Obama made smart decisions? That's pretty dumb.
https://dailytorch.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Economy-Credit-NRD-990.jpg
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