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farmerman
 
  4  
Tue 24 Mar, 2020 05:43 pm
@farmerman,
really stupid question I know but I have to ask

When is a dole no longer socialism?? Is it when the beneficiaries are Fortune 300 and 500 companies??
Setanta
 
  2  
Tue 24 Mar, 2020 05:44 pm
@farmerman,
Bingo! Give that man a cee-gar.
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coldjoint
 
  -3  
Tue 24 Mar, 2020 06:01 pm
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RABEL222
 
  2  
Tue 24 Mar, 2020 06:26 pm
@coldjoint,
Why? You'll just stare at the sky , blank out what mind you have and scream no no no no.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Tue 24 Mar, 2020 06:41 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
Why? You'll just stare at the sky , blank out what mind you have and scream no no no no.

You on the right thread?
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Tue 24 Mar, 2020 07:48 pm
Can't post this enough. It shows how much Democrats just do not care about anything but power, and destroying this country.

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THE MOST COMPLETE LIST OF PELOSI’S DEMANDS

bail out the post office
pay off some portion of college loans
$2,000 for every American
limit ICE and border patrol
publish corporate pay stats by race for all corporate boards
permanent paid leave
mandate a federal minimum wage of $15
rescued companies must abide by the Democrat rules
no voter ID and anonymous ballot harvesting
require early voting, online registration, vote by mail, and same-day voting (aka voter fraud)

provide cash for unions via official time for collective bargaining
a full offset of airline emissions
climate change study on aviation
restricting colleges from providing information about illegal aliens
money for Planned Parenthood
the publication of greenhouse gas emissions for flights
double the endowment for the arts to $300 million
Reinstatement of Obamaphones
Funding for NOAA
$100 million for NASA
$278 million for IRS
On page 127, the Institute for Museum and Library Services is given $500,000,000 “respond to coronavirus” by granting States, museums, territories and tribes “to expand digital network access, purchase tablets and other internet-enabled devices, for operational expenses, and provide technical support”.
Earmarked for an ambiguous “Construction and Environmental Compliance and Restoration,” the bill grants $100,000,000 “to prevent, prepare for, and respond to coronavirus” on page 18.
$35 million for the Kennedy Center
$300M for Migration and Refugee Assistance
Extends immigrant visas and work permits

On page 119, Gallaudet University is granted $7,000,000 “to help defray expenses (which may include lost revenue, reimbursement for expenses already incurred, technology costs associated with a transition to distance learning, faculty and staff trainings and payroll)”.
Howard University receives $13,000,000 for similar open-ended expenses on page 123. Howard’s endowment fund currently stands at $692,800,000.
Blocks denying funds to sanctuary cities
Expands wind and solar tax credits
On page 88, the “Ryan White HIV/AIDS program” receives an additional $90,000,000, according to language in the bill.
and retirement plans for newspaper employees — nothing like making newspapers even more beholden to Democrat politicians.

https://www.independentsentinel.com/most-complete-short-list-of-speaker-pelosis-cov-19-bill/
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Tue 24 Mar, 2020 07:53 pm
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After Impeaching Trump Over Ukraine, Nancy Pelosi Demands Quid Pro Quo Before Releasing Aid To Americans

Again.
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Don’t let it be lost on you, America, that the reason your small business isn’t yet getting relief yet is that House Democrats are more concerned with bailing out the U.S. Postal Service and giving $35 million to D.C.’s Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts than fighting for their constituents.

This is to say nothing of the bill’s woke identity politics aims such as “corporate board diversity” requirements and “pay equity” between men and women as well as white employees and minorities. The words “diverse” or “diversity” appear in the bill more than 60 times.

By holding Americans hostage unless she gets her carbon emission fantasies and postal bailouts, Nancy Pelosi is offering her own quid pro quo. You want relief for dying Americans, Mr. President? Fine, give me more minorities and women in board position. Otherwise, I’ll withhold the aid.

You give me what I want, I’ll give you what you want. Quid pro quo, plain and simple, or as Pelosi herself might say, “bribery.”

https://thefederalist.com/2020/03/24/after-impeaching-trump-over-ukraine-nancy-pelosi-demands-quid-pro-quo-before-releasing-aid-to-americans/#.XnqJDbEhSA8.twitter
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blatham
 
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Tue 24 Mar, 2020 08:02 pm
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Media Matters
@mmfa
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Fox's Brit Hume says it’s an “entirely reasonable viewpoint” to expect that grandparents would be willing to die to protect the economy

They're really pushing the "let's kill old people, yahoo!" thing.
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coldjoint
 
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Tue 24 Mar, 2020 08:05 pm
@blatham,
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They're really pushing

To pass a bill to rescue Americans and Democrats are standing in the way. They certainly do not care who dies.
livinglava
 
  -1  
Tue 24 Mar, 2020 08:20 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
They're really pushing

To pass a bill to rescue Americans and Democrats are standing in the way. They certainly do not care who dies.

How do you expect people will die? By being evicted from not paying rent? By not having enough money for food?

Do you think unemployment will go really high and no one will figure out a way to distribute food and avoid evicting tenants when people are unemployed?
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livinglava
 
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Tue 24 Mar, 2020 08:24 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

https://www.conservativedailynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/image-16.png

Why does the Green New Deal entail a bigger budget when less economic activity is better for climate than more?
MontereyJack
 
  3  
Tue 24 Mar, 2020 11:42 pm
@livinglava,
asshole branco
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Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Tue 24 Mar, 2020 11:48 pm
@coldjoint,
We've got a database with the figures of the free ICU-beds. Here, they don't specify the treatment of patients online. (That's related to the privacy laws here.)
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MontereyJack
 
  3  
Tue 24 Mar, 2020 11:55 pm
@coldjoint,
duplicitous and deceptive making it look like that's rabel;s position rather than rush/trump;s. of course duplicitous cites are vintage joint.
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Wed 25 Mar, 2020 12:34 am
@MontereyJack,
Trump privately appeals to Asia and Europe for medical help to fight coronavirus
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Despite president’s rhetoric that the US would not rely on foreign nations for help, the administration has approached European and Asian partners

The US has been appealing to its allies for help in obtaining medical supplies to overcome critical shortages in its fight against coronavirus.

In his public rhetoric Donald Trump has been talking up the domestic private sector response to the crisis.

“We should never be reliant on a foreign country for the means of our own survival,” Trump said at a White House briefing on Tuesday evening. “America will never be a supplicant nation.”

However behind the scenes, the administration has approached European and Asian partners to secure supplies of testing kits and other medical equipment that are in desperately short supply in the US.

On Tuesday, Trump spoke by phone with the South Korean president, Moon Jae-in, asking if his country could supply medical equipment.

The official White House account made no mention of the request, but according to the South Korean presidency, the Blue House, the call was made at Trump’s “urgent request”.

Trump praised the South Korean testing programme, which has helped contain the outbreak there. Moon told Trump that he would support South Korean exports of critical supplies to the US “if there is a domestic surplus”.

Foreign Policy reported that the third-ranking diplomat in the state department, David Hale, had asked for a list of countries that might be able to sell “critical medical supplies and equipment” to the US.

“Depending on critical needs, the United States could seek to purchase many of these items in the hundreds of millions with purchases of higher end equipment such as ventilators in the hundreds of thousands,” an email sent to embassies in Europe and Eurasia said.

The email underlined that the request applied to host countries “minus Moscow”.

On 15 March, German officials said they had fended off a Trump administration offer to buy exclusive access to a potential vaccine being developed by a German company, CureVac.

The US has scaled up its diagnostic testing after a slow start and Trump boasted on Tuesday that the country had performed more tests in eight days than South Korea had managed in eight weeks. ... ... ...

On March 18, the Defense One military news site reported that the US air force had quietly flown half a million nasal swabs from Italy to Memphis, where they were distributed around the country.

The US is turning its allies at a time when it has strained relations with many of them. Trump has been demanding South Korea pay much more, reportedly up to $5 bn a year, to cover the costs of US troops based on its soil and the US military has threatened to lay off thousands of Korean employees if Seoul does not agree to a deal.

“It’s almost like we shouldn’t have used alliances as protection rackets, shaking down a close and highly-capable partner for $5 billion, imagining there would be no consequences for transactional unilateralism,” Mira Rapp-Hooper, senior fellow for Asia studies at the Council on Foreign Relations, commented on Twitter.

The US is by far the largest buyer of pharmaceuticals and medical supplies from China, and is seeking to import Chinese face masks and protective gear, but negotiations have been complicated by growing acrimony between the two countries, over what Trump has insisted until very recently on calling the “China virus”.

Severe disruptions in international air links caused by the outbreak have also disrupted US imports.

“It’s a supply chain which has multiple dynamically shifting bottlenecks and the administration is trying to overcome them one at a time, as they pop up,” Prashant Rao, visiting fellow at the Center for Global Development, said. “What we need is a far more comprehensive approach.”


We Europeans already get a lot of help from China.
Olivier5
 
  1  
Wed 25 Mar, 2020 02:03 am
@Walter Hinteler,
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We Europeans already get a lot of help from China.

Yes, including Italy. Saw a Chinese official on TV yesterday say: "Europe helped us initially, so we are now helping Europe. There's a Chinese proverb saying "a good dead is never wasted"."
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hightor
 
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Wed 25 Mar, 2020 02:59 am
coldjoint wrote:
It shows how much Democrats just do not care about anything but power, and destroying this country.


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(...)In the final measure, lawmakers agreed to a significant expansion of unemployment benefits that would extend unemployment insurance by 13 weeks and include a four-month enhancement of benefits, officials familiar with the unfinished agreement said. Democrats said that it would allow workers to maintain their full salaries if forced out of work as a result of the pandemic.

In the interim, lawmakers also agreed to provide $1,200 in direct payments that would apply equally to workers with incomes up to $75,000 per year before phasing out and ending altogether for those earning more than $99,000. Families would receive an additional $500 per child.

After complaints from Democrats, a $500 billion fund — $425 billion for the Federal Reserve to leverage for loans in order to help broad groups of distressed companies and $75 billion for industry-specific loans — will now have far stricter oversight, in the form of an inspector general and a 5-person panel appointed by Congress, lawmakers said. Companies that accept money must also agree to halt any stock buybacks for the length of the government assistance, plus an additional year.

Democrats also secured a provision that will block Trump family businesses — or those of other senior government officials — from receiving loan money under the programs, Mr. Schumer said in a letter to Democrats.

Both Ms. Pelosi and Mr. Schumer, on separate calls laying out the deal for their Democratic colleagues, said they had secured $130 billion for hospitals, $55 billion more than originally agreed to, people familiar with the calls said, as well as $150 billion for state and local governments.
(...)
The agreement also includes $350 billion that would establish lending programs for small businesses, but only for those who keep their payrolls steady through the crisis. Small businesses that pledge to keep their workers would also receive cash-flow assistance structured as federally guaranteed loans. If the employer continued to pay its workers for the duration of the crisis, those loans would be forgiven.

nyt

Looks like the wait was worth it. I haven't heard about any gun grab either. People should familiarize themselves with how this process works and learn to distinguish a wish list from a negotiating tactic.
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Wed 25 Mar, 2020 05:16 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
People should familiarize themselves with how this process works and learn to distinguish a wish list from a negotiating tactic.
Too true. But since your post quotes coldjoint ....
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Lash
 
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Wed 25 Mar, 2020 05:17 am
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hightor
 
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Wed 25 Mar, 2020 06:00 am
Trump Is Inciting a Coronavirus Culture War to Save Himself

The president’s attempt to racialize the pandemic is a cover-up of the fact that he trusted false reassurances from Beijing.

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Donald Trump had a message for the Chinese government at the beginning of the year: Great job!

“China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency,” Trump tweeted on January 24. “It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”

Over the next month, the president repeatedly praised the Chinese government for its handling of the coronavirus, which appears to have first emerged from a wildlife market in the transportation hub of Wuhan, China, late last year. Trump lauded Chinese President Xi Jinping as “strong, sharp and powerfully focused on leading the counterattack on the Coronavirus,” and emphasized that the U.S. government was “working closely” with China to contain the disease.

For months, Trump himself referred to the illness as “the coronavirus.” In early March, though, several conservative media figures began using Wuhan virus or Chinese virus instead. On March 16, Trump himself began to refer to it as the “Chinese Virus,” prompting commentators to charge that he was racializing the epidemic. In contrast, some early media reports had referred to the illness as “the Wuhan virus,” but most outlets switched to referring to “the coronavirus” not long after it emerged, following the advice of public-health experts concerned about the very possibility of stigma from associating deadly diseases with a particular ethnic group or location. Some conservative outlets subsequently began attacking critics of the president’s change in language as propagandists for the Chinese Communist Party.

Even before Trump’s adoption of Chinese virus, Asian Americans had been facing a wave of discrimination, harassment, and violence in response to the epidemic. The president’s rhetoric did not start this backlash, but the decision to embrace the term Chinese virus reinforced the association between a worldwide pandemic and people of a particular national origin. Legitimizing that link with all the authority of the office of the president of the United States is not just morally abhorrent, but dangerous.

The president’s now-constant use of Chinese virus is the latest example of a conservative phenomenon you might call the racism rope-a-dope (with apologies to the late boxer Muhammad Ali, who coined the latter half of the term to describe his strategy of luring an opponent into wearing himself out). Trump and his acolytes are never more comfortable than when they are defending expressions of bigotry as plain common sense, and accusing their liberal critics of being oversensitive snowflakes who care more about protecting “those people” than they do about you. They seek to reduce any political dispute to this simple equation whenever possible. “I want them to talk about racism every day,” the former Trump adviser Steve Bannon told The American Prospect in 2017. “If the left is focused on race and identity, and we go with economic nationalism, we can crush the Democrats.”

In this instance, though, the gambit served two additional purposes: distracting the public from Trump’s catastrophic mishandling of the coronavirus pandemic, and disguising the fact that Trump’s failures stemmed from his selfishness and fondness for authoritarian leaders, which in turn made him an easy mark for the Chinese government’s disinformation.

Conservatives are fond of telling liberals who accuse the Republican Party of prejudice, “This is how you got Trump,” a retort that is less a rebuttal than an affirmation. Trump understands that overt expressions of prejudice draw condemnation from liberals, which in turn rallies his own base around him. Calling the coronavirus the “Chinese virus” not only informs Trump’s base that foreigners are the culprits, it also offers his supporters the emotional satisfaction of venting fury at liberals for unfairly accusing conservatives of racism. The point is to turn a pandemic that threatens both mass death and the collapse of the American economy into a culture-war argument in which the electorate can be polarized along partisan lines.

Conservatives insist that the Chinese government bears a great deal of responsibility for the outbreak, and that the president is merely holding the CCP accountable. Liberals, they argue, by criticizing the president’s rhetoric as racist, are falling into a trap set by Chinese propagandists, who are hoping to characterize any criticism of Beijing’s role in the outbreak as racism.

This criticism contains an element of truth. As The Wall Street Journal reported in early March, the Chinese government lied about the threat posed by COVID-19 and the coronavirus’s transmissibility to humans, and dragged its feet in informing the public, even silencing a whistleblower, Li Wenliang, who tried to warn the country about the threat of the disease before succumbing to it himself. “By not moving aggressively to warn the public and medical professionals, public-health experts say, the Chinese government lost one of its best chances to keep the disease from becoming an epidemic,” The New York Times reported in early February.

Since that report, Chinese officials have engaged in a propaganda offensive, expelling American journalists, minimizing their early missteps, and putting forth a conspiracy theory that the virus was engineered by the U.S. military. Compared with all this, the president’s defenders argue, Trump referring to the coronavirus as the “Chinese virus” seems trivial.

Lost in that comparison, however, is the fact that the most effective target of CCP disinformation has been Trump himself. The president’s public praise of the Chinese government’s response was not simply a public stance. According to The Washington Post, at the same time that Trump was stating that Beijing had the disease under control, U.S. intelligence agencies were already warning him that “Chinese officials appeared to be minimizing the severity of the outbreak.”

Administration officials directly warned Trump of the danger posed by the virus, but “Trump’s insistence on the contrary seemed to rest in his relationship with China’s President Xi Jingping, whom Trump believed was providing him with reliable information about how the virus was spreading in China,” The Washington Post reported, “despite reports from intelligence agencies that Chinese officials were not being candid about the true scale of the crisis.”

The right’s rhetorical shift then, is not just another racism rope-a-dope, an attempt to bait the left into a culture-war argument and divert attention from the president’s disastrous handling of the coronavirus pandemic. It is also an attempt to cover up the fact that the Chinese government’s propaganda campaign was effective in that it helped persuade the president of the United States not to take adequate precautionary measures to stem a tide of pestilence that U.S. government officials saw coming.

Now faced with the profound consequences of that decision, the right has settled on a strategy that does little to hold Beijing accountable for its mishandling of the coronavirus, but instead plays into Beijing’s attempt to cast any criticism of the Chinese government’s response as racism. Not only is the Chinese virus gambit morally objectionable but it is also inimical to the strategic interests the Trump administration was supposedly pursuing. The term makes no distinction between China’s authoritarian government and people who happen to be of Chinese origin, and undermines the unified front the Trump administration would want if it were actually concerned with countering Chinese-government propaganda.

Instead, the Trump administration has chosen a political tactic that strengthens the president’s political prospects by polarizing the electorate, and covers up his own role as Xi’s patsy, while making its own pushback against CCP propaganda less effective. The Trump administration might have chosen any number of methods to hold the Chinese government accountable for its mishandling of the outbreak that would not legitimize anti-Asian racism; it settled on a verbal taunt ineffective at countering disinformation but well suited to pursuing the president’s political interests.

This approach reflects the most glaring flaws of Trumpist governance, which have become only more acute during the coronavirus crisis: It exacerbates rather than solves the underlying problem, placing the president’s political objectives above all other concerns, even the ones both the president and his supporters claim to value.

A week after first deploying the term Chinese virus, even the president seemed to have regrets about the tactic. “It seems like there could be a little bit of nasty language toward Asian Americans in our country, and I don’t like that at all,” Trump told reporters at a press conference yesterday afternoon. "These are incredible people, they love our country, and I’m not gonna let it happen.”

The president did not say who might be using the “nasty language” or what that “nasty language” was, nor did he offer any theories as to why anyone might be using it.

atlantic
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