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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
layman
 
  -3  
Tue 7 Feb, 2017 05:07 am
@oralloy,
Leave it to a cheese-eating, collectivist-loving, state-worshiping commie to think you have no rights UNLESS the government gives them to you, eh?

Their default position is that you have no individual rights whatsoever. In their commie-ass way of thinking, you only have a right to do what the State chooses to permit. All "rights" belong to the State, and if it cares to bother, it may share some of it's rights with its citizens. If not, tough ****.
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layman
 
  -2  
Tue 7 Feb, 2017 05:11 am
@oralloy,
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I'd go so far as to say it was based entirely on the right in English common law, which was directly created by the English Bill of Rights in 1689.


I think you'd be going too far if you say that. As the wiki article I cited demonstrates, the right pre-existed any action taken in 1689, too. Like the 2nd A, the English version merely codified a pre-existing "natural" right.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 7 Feb, 2017 06:20 am
@layman,
layman wrote:
I think you'd be going too far if you say that. As the wiki article I cited demonstrates, the right pre-existed any action taken in 1689, too. Like the 2nd A, the English version merely codified a pre-existing "natural" right.

The 1689 right is much more expansive than the natural right. The 1689 right is tied to the militia, which means we can possess modern military grade weapons.

The natural right would merely ensure that we had enough to adequately defend ourselves. A lever-action .30-30 and a .357 revolver would probably be adequate for self defense.
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layman
 
  -3  
Tue 7 Feb, 2017 06:23 am
With respect to what the "current" interpretation of the 2nd A is, the following comes from a 2008 case:

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Justice Antonin Scalia, wrote that "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" was a just a controlling one and referred to it as a pre-existing right of individuals to possess and carry personal weapons for self-defense and intrinsically for defense against tyranny.


Leave it to a commie to think that he can abruptly alter centuries of history and legal precedent, and thereby justify depriving people of their inherent natural rights, if he can just pack a Supreme Court with liberals with no integrity.

Aint gunna fly, son. Just ask your homegirl, Hillary Clinton, if you don't believe me.

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blatham
 
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Tue 7 Feb, 2017 06:26 am
So Bannon doesn't like Pope Francis. That's not a big surprise. One presumes that far right Catholic leaders in the US also don't think much of their new Pope. But that Bannon is well connected to far right senior Catholic elements wasn't quite so obvious though his skype conversation with elements in the Vatican (I posted that here a week ago) certainly suggested it.
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Just as Mr. Bannon has connected with far-right parties threatening to topple governments throughout Western Europe, he has also made common cause with elements in the Roman Catholic Church who oppose the direction Francis is taking them. Many share Mr. Bannon’s suspicion of Pope Francis as a dangerously misguided, and probably socialist, pontiff.

Until now, Francis has marginalized or demoted the traditionalists, notably Cardinal Burke, carrying out an inclusive agenda on migration, climate change and poverty that has made the pope a figure of unmatched global popularity, especially among liberals. Yet in a newly turbulent world, Francis is suddenly a lonelier figure. Where once Francis had a powerful ally in the White House in Barack Obama, now there is Mr. Trump and Mr. Bannon, this new president’s ideological guru.
NYT
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blatham
 
  4  
Tue 7 Feb, 2017 06:35 am

Here's what John Yoo, who wrote the torture memos for the Cheney crowd, thinks about Donald Trump
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Executive Power Run Amok

Faced with President Trump’s executive orders suspending immigration from several Muslim nations and ordering the building of a border wall, and his threats to terminate the North American Free Trade Agreement, even Alexander Hamilton, our nation’s most ardent proponent of executive power, would be worried by now...
NYT
So, yeah, Trump is all perfectly normal. Yoo is probably a liberal now or something.
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layman
 
  -1  
Tue 7 Feb, 2017 06:43 am
This legal expert lays out the issues in enjoining Trump's order:

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blatham
 
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Tue 7 Feb, 2017 06:43 am
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Israel’s Parliament passed a provocative law late Monday that would retroactively legalize Jewish settlements on privately owned Palestinian land, pressing ahead with a statement of right-wing assertiveness despite the likelihood that the country’s high court will nullify the legislation.

It was a defining — opponents said frightening — moment in Israel’s ever-more-distant relations with Palestinians and amid fading hopes of ending decades of conflict through a two-state solution.

While polls consistently show that most Israelis still support two states, their leaders and the reality of what is happening on the ground are consistently heading in the opposite direction...
NYT
That's so cool. The next step in the evolution of Netanyahu's Israel will likely to be to gather up all the Palestinians, take all their privately owned lands and goods, and then dump the men, women and children into a huge meat grinder to help feed the real humans of Israel and Palestine. Of course these completely moral acts are presently illegal so retroactively making them legal is the obviously further moral act required.
blatham
 
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Tue 7 Feb, 2017 07:10 am
There is nothing abnormal at all when an American president speaks more harshly to and is more critical of Australia and California than he is to Putin's Russia. That's something we see every day. Totally sane. And then there's this other thing he said...
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President Trump had harsh words for one of his most fervent opponents during the pre-Super Bowl interview with Fox News’s Bill O’Reilly that aired Sunday. Not President Vladimir Putin, mind you, whose alleged unpleasant habit of murdering journalists met with a shrug from the president. No, Trump lashed out at the nation’s largest state, California.

“I just spent the week in California,” O’Reilly said. “As you know, they are now voting on whether they should become a sanctuary state. So California and the U.S.A. are on a collision course. How do you see it?”

“Well, I think it’s ridiculous,” Trump replied. “Sanctuary cities, as you know I’m very much opposed to sanctuary cities. They breed crime, there’s a lot of problems. We have to well defund, we give tremendous amounts of money to California . . . California in many ways is out of control, as you know. Obviously the voters agree or otherwise they wouldn’t have voted for me.
WP
Note that bolded statement. Let's reiterate what we know:

1) Trump gained the WH through 80,000 votes spread across three states which gained him an electoral college win
2) Trump lost the popular vote of US citizens nationally by 3,000,000 votes

So, in Trump's brain, this razor-thin EC win establishes as a matter of truth and logic that American citizens share a broad consensus that California is out of control. This would be a fact.

To someone who is utterly insane.
blatham
 
  4  
Tue 7 Feb, 2017 07:17 am
Today, in the vote on DeVos, we'll discover whether more than two GOP Senators have the personal integrity and any real interest at all in placing American educational quality above partisan fealty. I'm not confident they'll pass this test. The political and intellectual corruption is just too deep.
blatham
 
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Tue 7 Feb, 2017 07:22 am
From Michael Gerson (ps...have folks noticed that I seem to post more commentary from senior conservatives here than anyone on the right has done?)
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Stepping back, cooling off a bit, displaying some strategic patience, taking the long view: The first two weeks of the Trump administration have been the most abso-friggin-lutely frightening of the modern presidency.

President Trump has managed to taunt and alienate some of our closest allies — Mexico and Australia (!) — while continuing an NC-17-rated love fest with Russia. He has engaged in moral equivalence that places America on the level of Vladimir Putin’s bloody dictatorship. “Well, you think our country’s so innocent?” he said — a statement of such obscenity that it would haunt any liberal to the grave. He has issued an immigration executive order of unparalleled incompetence and cruelty, further victimizing refugees who are already fate’s punching bag. He has lied about things large (election fraud) and small (inaugural crowd size), refused to allow facts to modify his claims, and attempted to create his own reality through the repetition of deception. He has abused his standing as president to attack individuals, from a respected judge to the movie star who took over his God-awful reality-TV show. He has demonstrated a limitless appetite for organizational chaos and selected a staff that leaks like a salad spinner. He has become a massively polarizing figure within the United States and a risible figure on the global stage.

All in a fortnight...
WP
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blatham
 
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Tue 7 Feb, 2017 07:30 am
If this doesn't look familiar to you, then you're probably a rather dumb individual.
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Russian media leap on French presidential candidate with rumors and innuendo
WP
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blatham
 
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Tue 7 Feb, 2017 07:36 am
Trump's promotion of differences, of fears and hatred as a means of gaining a supportive base which will follow him and work at his command to levels of extremism which we have yet to determine.
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As many have noted, when President Donald J. Trump speaks publicly, his rhetorical style is quite different from that of previous presidents. From the inauguration to his National Prayer Breakfast address to his provocative tweets, the president seems to speak just to his supporters. He regularly wields the language of violence and destruction against those who oppose his actions.

Ordinarily, presidents use democratic rhetoric with the goal of unifying Americans who have different private beliefs behind the same set of democratic ideals. This president’s rhetoric is significantly different.
WP
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blatham
 
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Tue 7 Feb, 2017 07:43 am
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Why Trump wants to disempower institutions that protect the truth

Donald Trump is hardly the first president to lie. But what distinguishes Trump from previous presidential fibsters are his meta-lies. These claim that the very institutions empowered in a democracy to expose lies are themselves corrupt, dishonest and lying. In spreading his meta-lies, Trump poisons the well of democratic discourse.

The great political thinker Hannah Arendt once dryly observed:“lies have always been regarded as necessary and justifiable tools … of the statesman’s trade.” Arendt writes that what distinguishes democratic from authoritarian regimes is not the greater honesty of democratic politicians. The saving grace of democracies is the existence of neutral, politically-independent institutions capable of safeguarding truth from the politics of prevarication.

It is precisely these institutions that are the target of Trump’s most persistent lies and calumny.
Guardian
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McGentrix
 
  0  
Tue 7 Feb, 2017 08:00 am
@blatham,
In Russian Roulette, would you rather be the one with the razor edge victory or the loser?
blatham
 
  4  
Tue 7 Feb, 2017 08:27 am
@McGentrix,
I like you, McG. I'm not entirely sure why that is but it must be so as you were one of two persons featured in a dream I had last night. The scene was big television event, a battle between two of America's great logicians. You were in one corner and in the other was Tonya Harding. You didn't win but I thought you approached her level of logical mastery.
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blatham
 
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Tue 7 Feb, 2017 08:30 am
If you read something today, read this.

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What Steve Bannon Wants You to Read
...All of these impulses are evident in the White House, as the new administration—led by Bannon and a cadre of like-minded aides—has set about administering a sort of ideological shock therapy in its first two weeks. A flurry of executive orders slashing regulation and restricting the influx of refugees bear the ideological markings of obscure intellectuals both in form and content. The circumvention of the bureaucracy is as much a hallmark of these thinkers, as is the necessity of restricting immigration.

Their thinking has a clear nationalist strain, and Bannon has considered hiring a staffer responsible for monitoring nationalist movements around the world, according to two sources familiar with the situation. French presidential candidate Marine Le Pen’s visit to Trump Tower in mid-January was his handiwork. Le Pen has devoted her political career to softening the image and broadening the appeal of the nationalist movement
in France by marginalizing its most extremist members. Her views are typically nationalist: She is hostile to the European Union and free trade and opposes granting foreigners the right to vote. Bannon’s former employer, Breitbart News, has covered Le Pen obsessively, casting her as the French Trump.

..Moldbug’s dense, discursive musings on history—“What’s so bad about the Nazis?” he asks in one 2008 treatise that condemns the Holocaust but questions the moral superiority of the Allies—include a belief in the utility of spreading misinformation that now looks like a template for Trump’s approach to truth. “To believe in nonsense is an unforgeable [sic] demonstration of loyalty. It serves as a political uniform. And if you have a uniform, you have an army,” he writes in a May 2008 post..
Politico
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blatham
 
  3  
Tue 7 Feb, 2017 08:37 am
Winner of this week's competition in the "Too Late" category - Jennifer Rubin

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Trump must stop lying or Americans will think he is nuts
WP
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blatham
 
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Tue 7 Feb, 2017 09:23 am
People have been talking about Muslim terrorist attacks. This is confusing to me. I have been searching and searching for two days now through the databases of all the major media, print and TV and online sources, and I can find no mention anywhere of such events. If they happened, there has been no coverage whatsoever. A top media critic in the administration did make an allusion to something he called "9/11" but all I could find on this was notice of a new all-night convenience store in New Jersey. I'm not sure what's up but I'm very suspicious.
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giujohn
 
  -1  
Tue 7 Feb, 2017 09:29 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

One obvious argument comes from the words of the amendment:
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... being necessary to the security of a free State...

The militia is concerned with state security — defense of the country from hostile forces (probably external). Nothing is stated concerning self defense, hunting, tax resistance, or recreational shooting — why? Because firearm ownership was simply part of the home economy if you were farming, homesteading, or living on the frontier. It didn't represent an "issue" — having a civilian army did represent something new. That was revolutionary.

I'd discuss more of your points in depth but I've gotta go — gotta practice musket loading down at the monthly militia meeting.


Once again you demonstrate your obvious ignorance to the framers intent and I'm confident in the assumption that you've never read The Federalist Papers. I note with interest how you never answered my questions regarding the Bill of Rights or the Second Amendment or for instance the definition of the words well regulated. How about an easier one what is the meaning of the word militia back when the 2nd Amendment was written? What is the definition of the unorganized militia today?

I will give you one point. The second amendment was never about hunting... It was always about self defense, whether from hostile Nations, domestic tyrants, or everyday criminals.
 

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