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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Tue 6 Dec, 2016 03:39 pm
@Frugal1,
You are ignorant. Many liberals did not support Hillary.
What's also true is that many republicans supported Hillary over Trump.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/494636/?client=safari
blatham
 
  2  
Tue 6 Dec, 2016 03:39 pm
georgeob said
Quote:
Trump has no super powers, but it does appear that he has an effective media strategy.

That seems undeniable. In fact, I don't think I've bumped into a single political observer or media student who has not said so quite explicitly.

But in and of itself, the observation/claim doesn't tell us anything about whether his expertise is a good thing or a bad thing. Expertise of any sort can be put to any ends. Goebbels is an obvious example as were von Braun and associates. Joe McCarthy had a good handle on moving the emotions of a segment of the population. Genghis Khan clearly had some expertise in group organization and motivation.
Frugal1
 
  0  
Tue 6 Dec, 2016 03:42 pm
Trump plays the media to perfection

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/12/06/trump_takes_calculated_shot_at_boeing
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blatham
 
  2  
Tue 6 Dec, 2016 03:42 pm
Meta note for everyone participating.

Please do not descend into personal insults. It degrades any discussion and any site where this appears.
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Frugal1
 
  0  
Tue 6 Dec, 2016 03:43 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Don't be an even dumber ass than you seem to be.
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blatham
 
  3  
Tue 6 Dec, 2016 03:48 pm
Not sure if I posted this earlier. Apologies if so. The context here is Trump's tweet saying he won the popular vote but fraudulent voting (3 million such votes) were corrupting the truth.
Quote:
In court filings submitted in an effort to block recount efforts by Green Party candidate Jill Stein in Michigan and Pennsylvania, attorneys for the president-elect stated unequivocally that there was, in fact, no evidence that any voter fraud had occurred.

The most direct statement was made in the Trump campaign's filing in Michigan.

"On what basis does Stein seek to disenfranchise Michigan citizens? None really, save for speculation," it reads. "All available evidence suggests that the 2016 general election was not tainted by fraud or mistake."
rogue ducks out of line

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Debra Law
 
  3  
Tue 6 Dec, 2016 03:58 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

It's true that Trump knows how to play the media, but that's a two edged sword for Trump. Trump's ignorance will be revealed.


Trump's creepy personality and ignorance has been on public display for many years. He puts an "R" behind his name and throws outlandish statements into the universe and a basket full of people try to convince themselves that he has hidden profundity. It's very entertaining to see Trump's cohorts evade the fact that the man is ridiculous.
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Debra Law
 
  3  
Tue 6 Dec, 2016 04:05 pm
@Frugal1,
Frugal1 wrote:

A2K's liberals are barely treading water these days, their recovery from Hillary's crushing defeat may never come.


I didn't support Hillary Clinton. I didn't vote for either Clinton or Trump because both were unacceptable. Trump might have won the election, but he is still unacceptable. He's ridiculous. All I can do is laugh at him for the next four years.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Tue 6 Dec, 2016 04:08 pm
@Debra Law,
I'm not exactly laughing, because I worry about our economy with his 35% tariff. That's going to make everything more expensive, and it will destroy jobs.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/15/news/economy/trump-tariff-ford-mexico/
blatham
 
  3  
Tue 6 Dec, 2016 04:10 pm
Columbia Journalism Review has a wonderful piece at the link below
Media in the Age of Trump

Quote:
...Unlike other citizens, journalists use two languages when writing or talking about public events. The first is the language of their profession, expressed within still firmly fixed parameters of judgment, taste, and discretion. The second is the language they use in private, filled with everything they know, think, intuit, and feel that they cannot express within the boundaries of their professional discourse.

Trump is now bursting the parameters of both the journalist’s private and public language. What journalists think, feel, and intuit about this entirely original and unpredictable figure is, to a great degree, the most significant journalistic response to him. The challenge of the next few years will be to discover new ways to balance or perhaps integrate journalists’ two linguistic worlds.
CJR
Frugal1
 
  -2  
Tue 6 Dec, 2016 04:15 pm
@Debra Law,
Trump has already proven himself more presidential & successful than the ass-clown in office right now.
Frugal1
 
  -1  
Tue 6 Dec, 2016 04:18 pm
@blatham,
After 8 years of kissing 0bama's ass, it will be refreshing if the media does their job instead of regurgitating WH talking points ad nauseam.
Debra Law
 
  2  
Tue 6 Dec, 2016 04:20 pm
@Frugal1,
Frugal1 wrote:

Trump has already proven himself more presidential & successful than the ass-clown in office right now.


Ben Rand would have said the same thing about Chauncey Gardiner. And you know what, the object of Mr. Rand's admiration walked on water. Maybe Trump walks on water too. What do you think?
Debra Law
 
  4  
Tue 6 Dec, 2016 04:24 pm
@Frugal1,
Frugal1 wrote:

After 8 years of kissing 0bama's ass, it will be refreshing if the media does their job instead of regurgitating WH talking points ad nauseam.


Don't worry about the media. I understand that Trump will be setting up his own propaganda media empire to exclusively report how tremendous he is 24/7.
Frugal1
 
  -2  
Tue 6 Dec, 2016 04:25 pm
@Debra Law,
You agree that 0bama is an ass-clown?
blatham
 
  4  
Tue 6 Dec, 2016 04:40 pm
Ari Berman has been covering the voter suppression story for a long time. He's a great resource to turn to when you need data (as is the Brennan Center for Justice).
Quote:
 Trump’s Lies About Voter Fraud Are Already Leading to New GOP Voter-Suppression Efforts
la linque

When we're thinking/talking about Trump's widely ridiculed tweet re popular vote, there are several easily discernible political/propagandist gains to be had by him and the right.

1 - forwarding the notion (as Pence did on the weekend) that Trump won a "landslide victory". This, they hope, will facilitate pretty much any initiative Trump and the GOP set out upon. It's the mandate thing. Also, it's a means to further denigrate liberal/progressive policies and goals (Americans decisively rejected them).

2 - as in the examples noted by Berman, voter suppression policies are and will be expanded perhaps to a national level under the appointed Justice head. Because modern elections are often very close, this is a critical factor and it is why the GOP (and allies like ALEC) have been pushing them for a long time now.

3 - it aids in further fostering, within the right wing universe, the notion that the mainstream media (who have roundly lambastedd Trump for the ridiculous claim, are merely liberals who are doing propaganda rather than objective reporting.

4 - it furthers the current right wing meta-message that facts and lies are indistinguishable so don't bother listening or thinking about it, just trust Donald or whomever, so long as they speak from trustable right wing sources.

Trump's tweet itself is really the least important element in all this.
Frugal1
 
  -1  
Tue 6 Dec, 2016 05:01 pm
@blatham,
1 - Trump won
2- Hillary lost
3. Trump won
4. Trump won
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Debra Law
 
  3  
Tue 6 Dec, 2016 05:02 pm
@Frugal1,
Frugal1 wrote:

You agree that 0bama is an ass-clown?


Obama did many things that I didn't like. That doesn't make him an ass-clown, but I didn't vote for him in 2012. He wasn't progressive. He was more Republican than Donald Trump pretends to be. Trump, on the other hand, is a ridiculous man. So you can expect that people are going to make fun of him.
Frugal1
 
  -2  
Tue 6 Dec, 2016 05:12 pm
@Debra Law,
0bama resembles no republican that ever existed, he actually hates America & it's constitution.
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georgeob1
 
  -1  
Tue 6 Dec, 2016 05:18 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

georgeob said
Quote:
Trump has no super powers, but it does appear that he has an effective media strategy.

That seems undeniable. In fact, I don't think I've bumped into a single political observer or media student who has not said so quite explicitly.

But in and of itself, the observation/claim doesn't tell us anything about whether his expertise is a good thing or a bad thing. Expertise of any sort can be put to any ends. Goebbels is an obvious example as were von Braun and associates. Joe McCarthy had a good handle on moving the emotions of a segment of the population. Genghis Khan clearly had some expertise in group organization and motivation.


I made no claim about the beneficial results of Trump's media strategy, only that he was acting purposefully and effectively.

Expertise is indeed a good thing. I agree fully that it can be put to good or bad use. Are you suggesting a connectionamong Goebbels, Gengis Kahn and Donald Trump?

The list of effective communicators who have used their skills in the dissemination of false or systematically biased information is long indeed, and their motives varied. Some do it to fulfill political goals: others merely to impress.
 

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