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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Mon 6 Feb, 2017 07:12 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
layman wrote:
He one of your homeboys, Ollie?
The Egyptian man behind the machete attack in the galerie marchande du Carrousel du Louvre worked in Sharjah (United Arab Emirates) and flew to France from Dubai (UAE as well). He visited Turkey a couple of times.
Nothing related to Iran, Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, Libya or Yemen.


layman
 
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Mon 6 Feb, 2017 07:16 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Some Somalian ran his car over, then started hackin with a machette, 10-12 people at Ohio State U. a little while back.

Before that, another one attacked an OSU female student at a bus stop there.

Before that some somalian went on a machette-hackin rampage at a mall in Minnesota.

All in the last 8-10 months.

Don't NEVER trust no Somolian, eh?

https://able2know.org/topic/355629-1#post-6311933
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revelette1
 
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Mon 6 Feb, 2017 07:52 am
Trump says Obama banned refugees too. He’s wrong.

Quote:
In May 2011, two Iraqi refugees were arrested in Kentucky on suspicion of plotting a terrorist attack, the only two Iraqi refugees ever linked to a potential strike in the US. During its investigation of the attack, the FBI found something worrying: fingerprints from one of the arrested refugees, Waad Ramadan Alwan, on a roadside bomb in Iraq.

This suggested there was a very specific flaw in America’s refugee screening process: Databases of fingerprints from Iraqi militants Iraq were not well-integrated into the broader State Department–run refugee admissions process. As a result, the Obama administration initiated a new review of all roughly 57,000 Iraqis refugees who had been recently admitted into the United States.

According to congressional testimony given in September 2011 by then–Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, all of these admitted refugees were “revetted against all of the DHS databases, all of the NCTC [National Counter Terrorism Center] databases and the Department of Defense’s biometric databases.” Going forward, Napolitano explained, new Iraqi refugees who wanted to enter the United States would be subjected to the same scrutiny.


Getting all of this in place was extremely time-consuming and labor-intensive, and the rate of Iraqi refugee entry into the United States slowed dramatically for the six months it took to finish the review.

This made life hell for a lot of Iraqis who wished to flee to the United States, especially the many translators who had worked with the US military and feared that they or their families would be targeted by militants. Beginning in 2006, Congress passed specific legislation designed to make it easier for Iraqi and Afghan individuals who worked with the US military in their countries to enter the United States. Obama’s review slowed their flight to safety.

The review also had some serious implementation problems. At least 1,000 Iraqis who were affected by the review were only informed after they had bought plane tickets to America.

But — and this is the crucial bit — it was not a ban on Iraqi refugees entering the United States. Not even a little bit.

“While the flow of Iraqi refugees slowed significantly during the Obama administration’s review, refugees continued to be admitted to the United States during that time, and there was not a single month in which no Iraqis arrived here,” Jon Finer, an Obama administration official who worked on national security, writes at Foreign Policy.
layman
 
  -3  
Mon 6 Feb, 2017 09:06 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
The review also had some serious implementation problems. At least 1,000 Iraqis who were affected by the review were only informed after they had bought plane tickets to America.


Kinda curious that people all over the country weren't taking to the streets, airports, and courtrooms, protesting then, eh?

I don't recall major networks devoting substantial time, night after night, to argue and judge about the inhumanity of all. Guess I clean forgot, eh?
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layman
 
  -3  
Mon 6 Feb, 2017 09:33 am
@revelette1,
This was in your article too, and it is talking about Obama's rationale:

Quote:
Obama’s policy is targeted to a specific threat — the real phenomenon of Westerners who get radicalized and attracted to militant Islamism. This made sense, kind of obliquely, as an immediate response to San Bernardino — one of the shooters, Syed Farook, was an American citizen who had traveled to Saudi Arabia.

By that logic, focusing on those seven countries makes a certain kind of sense. Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, and Somalia are all anarchic states with large jihadist presences; Westerners do travel there to join militant groups. Iran and Sudan are led by anti-American regimes that have histories of collaborating with militant groups.


Of course those aren't good reasons for making them wait until your vetting procedures are adequate before you let them come flooding in, eh? So a few nightclubs with 100's of people in them get decimated. That's just the new "normal." Not a high price to pay for getting a bunch of foreigners into this country to compete with american workers, is it?
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hightor
 
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Mon 6 Feb, 2017 09:42 am
@revelette1,
Quote:
Trump says Obama banned refugees too.

Seems odd that he would be announcing this — I thought he opposed everything Obama did. Why is he likening himself to Obama?
layman
 
  -2  
Mon 6 Feb, 2017 10:08 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
Trump says Obama banned refugees too.

Seems odd that he would be announcing this — I thought he opposed everything Obama did. Why is he likening himself to Obama?


Why would it be "odd" for Trump to be willing to point out the utter hypocrisy of Obama and his supporters on this issue?
Olivier5
 
  1  
Mon 6 Feb, 2017 10:13 am
@layman,
Quote:
What else would ya expect from the candyass Frogs, eh?

At least the French are not crying and whining because their government won't ban all Yemenis out of France, like you and the other marshmallow-assed Trumpists are doing...

Bunch of crybabies, soooo scared of not being protected enough.

BOOOH!
layman
 
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Mon 6 Feb, 2017 10:27 am
Quote:
President Obama announced in September that the U.S. will allow up to 10,000 refugees from Syria....

FBI Director James Comey on Wednesday told Congress that the federal government cannot conduct thorough checks on all of the coming influx of 10,000 refugees from Syria. "We can only query against that which we have collected,' Comey told the committee under questioning.

'So if someone has never made a ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their identity or their interest reflected in our database, we can query our database until the cows come home, but there will be nothing show up because we have no record of them."


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3283587/FBI-admits-s-no-way-screen-Syrian-refugees-Obama-administration-plans-accept-US.h

Syria is just one of the five countries which lack a stable government (and therefore reliable records) and which have a major jihadist presence, according to Obama, eh?

Why in the world would Trump want to improve vetting procedures before letting them in? Only one possible reason, I figure: BECAUSE HE HATES MUSLIMS, THAT'S WHY! Just no other conceivable explanation, eh?

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layman
 
  -2  
Mon 6 Feb, 2017 10:34 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

At least the French are not crying and whining because their government won't ban all Yemenis out of France,


Why wouldn't the french give in to intolerable government policies? They surrender to everyone else, so why stop there?
hightor
 
  3  
Mon 6 Feb, 2017 10:42 am
@layman,
Quote:
Why would it be "odd" for Trump to be willing to point out the utter hypocrisy of Obama and his supporters on this issue?


Given that there's very little similarity between the two actions —
Quote:
But — and this is the crucial bit — it was not a ban on Iraqi refugees entering the United States. Not even a little bit.

— it seems rather pointless. Why is he still in campaign mode?
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georgeob1
 
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Mon 6 Feb, 2017 10:47 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

At least the French are not crying and whining because their government won't ban all Yemenis out of France, like you and the other marshmallow-assed Trumpists are doing...

Bunch of crybabies, soooo scared of not being protected enough. BOOOH!


Though it appears (to me) that either Macron or Fillon will likely win the forthcoming election, it is likely a 2nd round will be required, and the Frente National is doing a good deal better than it has in previous elections, The current President, Hollande didn't even attempot a run. If you are suggresting the unflappable French are standing firm in their now shopworn notion that French culture and civilization is the unifying nirvanah sought and embraced by all from Place de la Concorde to banlieue, then the facts sussest you are seriously wrong.
layman
 
  -2  
Mon 6 Feb, 2017 10:50 am
@Olivier5,
Uh, oh. It looks like maybe not all of your countrymen are cheese-eaters, eh, Ollie. You and your far-left homies could be in for hard times.

Quote:
Le Pen received some of the loudest applause during her speech, with standing ovations to the sound of "France! France!" and "On est chez nous!" ("This is our country") when she pledged to expel all foreigners condemned for a crime or misdemeanor, and when she said migrants without identity papers could never be legally allowed to stay in France or get free healthcare.

The crowd chanted in response: "We're going to win! We're going to win!"

In 144 "commitments" published on Saturday, Le Pen says she would drastically curb migration, expel all illegal migrants and restrict certain rights now available to all residents, including free education, to French citizens.


http://www.businessinsider.com/r-frances-le-pen-launches-election-bid-with-vow-to-fight-globalization-2017-2
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Mon 6 Feb, 2017 10:56 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
Hollande didn't even attempot a run.
Actually he did. But he was "convinced" not to run in the party election.
georgeob1 wrote:
it is likely a 2nd round will be required
Since 1962 (when the directly election of the president was introduced), the new president always has been elected only in the "2nd tour".
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Mon 6 Feb, 2017 10:57 am
@layman,
layman wrote:
Uh, oh. It looks like maybe not all of your countrymen are cheese-eaters, eh, Ollie. You and your far-left homies could be in for hard times.
Indeed, like in other Europeans countries the neo-Nazis are getting more and more popular.

Unfortunately, the conservatives ("Centre droit" in France) and the right ("Droites") don't have a real answer to that (the left neither, I suppose)
Olivier5
 
  2  
Mon 6 Feb, 2017 11:12 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Since 1962 (when the directly election of the president was introduced), the new president always has been elected only in the "2nd tour".

I think De Gaulle was elected n the first round once... Anyway, these are the exception, when a candidate gets more than 50% of the votes in the first round of voting.
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Olivier5
 
  2  
Mon 6 Feb, 2017 11:15 am
@georgeob1,
No, I'm just saying that the French are not crybabies like you Trumpists are.
layman
 
  -2  
Mon 6 Feb, 2017 11:16 am
@Walter Hinteler,
How're things lookin in Germany, eh, Walt? Everybody plumb sick of Merkel yet?
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Olivier5
 
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Mon 6 Feb, 2017 11:21 am
@layman,
For your info, Marine Le Pen eats cheese. It would be unfrench not to... And yes, she's got a good chance of being elected next April. She's slightly on the left of Trump, if that means anything these days.

http://md1.libe.com/photo/727028-france2012-election-fn-le-pen.jpg
layman
 
  -1  
Mon 6 Feb, 2017 11:32 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

And yes, she's got a good chance of being elected next April. She's slightly on the left of Trump, if that means anything these days.


She'd be the best possible thing for France, right now, but, like Trump, I suppose the lefties there would immediately begin plotting her overthrow if she got elected.
 

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