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giujohn wrote:

So let me ask you...Why in a catalog of individual rights that is the first ten amendments written by men who were Very wary of a central government who just went through an ARMED rebellion, why oh why would they give the right to keep and bear arms to only to a government entity??

Because by having organized citizen militias they wouldn't need to keep a standing army. Too bad the concept was seen to be unworkable by 1812.

Joe Conason ‏@JoeConason 3h3 hours ago
Trump doesn't dare to criticize Putin or Russia. Neither does Pence. Both terrified of what the Kremlin knows about them and their campaign.

... being necessary to the security of a free State...

The presidency's "powers are vast and consequential, its requirements — from the outset and by definition — impossible for mortals to fulfill without humility and insistent attention to its purposes as set forth in the Constitution of the United States," declared Pence, his gaze steely and his jaw firmly set. Of power, he said, "Those who are entrusted with it must educate themselves in self-restraint."

"A true statesman lives in what Churchill called a continuous 'stress of soul,'" Pence informed his audience. "And that's why you must always be wary of a president who seems to float upon his own greatness."

Pence told a story to illustrate the humanity and humility of Calvin Coolidge. "A sensibility like this — and not power — is the source of presidential dignity, and it must be restored," he said. "It depends entirely upon character, self-discipline and an understanding of the fundamental principles that underlie not only the republic but life itself.

God I do despise these people.

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Isn't that interesting. I was going to quote that as well to talk about what this entire thread is and has been.

Well damn, you clearly have me there. Truth-annihilation is my thing. It's why I quote liberals and conservatives here. It's why I always link to sources and why I note with ellipses or brackets where portions are omitted or where some word/phrase has been added for clarification. All standard misinformation techniques of the propagandist.

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To get to "propaganda" the presence of a knowing and dedicated intention to misinform is necessary.

Propaganda is information that is not objective and is used primarily to influence an audience and further an agenda, often by presenting facts selectively (perhaps lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded messages or "loaded language" to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information that is presented.[2] Propaganda is often associated with material prepared by governments, but activist groups and companies can also produce propaganda

Constitutional freedom of religion
In the United States, freedom of religion is a constitutionally protected right provided in the religion clauses of the First Amendment.

Freedom of religion in the United States - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_the_United_States

Here's a definition of the term, "propaganda" from Wiki;

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Propaganda is information that is not objective and is used primarily to influence an audience and further an agenda, often by presenting facts selectively (perhaps lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded messages or "loaded language" to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information that is presented.[2] Propaganda is often associated with material prepared by governments, but activist groups and companies can also produce propaganda

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It fits your stuff to a "t".

gotta practice musket loading down at the monthly militia meeting

One obvious argument comes from the words of the amendment:

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... being necessary to the security of a free State...

The militia is concerned with state security — defense of the country from hostile forces (probably external). Nothing is stated concerning self defense, hunting, tax resistance, or recreational shooting — why? Because firearm ownership was simply part of the home economy if you were farming, homesteading, or living on the frontier. It didn't represent an "issue"

having a civilian army did represent something new. That was revolutionary.

I'd discuss more of your points in depth but I've gotta go — gotta practice musket loading down at the monthly militia meeting.

hightor wrote:

gotta practice musket loading down at the monthly militia meeting.

Thanks, needed a chuckle.

Beyond all that, it's against our Constitution to deny people of different religions entry into our country.

Like many propagandists, of an authoritarian bent, you like to define such terms to further your ends, and you have devoted considerable effort to the meaning of the term propaganda as well. But that too was mere propaganda.

Even world leaders are speaking out against Trump's ban, and many of our allies.

Assessing Trump’s plan, Stanford Law professor Jenny Martinez said “Excluding all people of a particular religion from entering the country on the sole basis of their religion would, in my view, clearly violate the Constitution’s guarantee of equal protection.”

Martinez, an expert in international law, added that the only legal support for such an approach comes in older, discredited cases. “To the extent there are precedents for this kind of blanket discrimination,” she told MSNBC, “they are ones, like the Japanese internment camps upheld by the Supreme Court in Korematsu, which all reasonable constitutional experts consider tragic mistakes that we should not repeat.”