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@oralloy,

Nonsense. Trump has shown hes a threat to national security and national nojrms and vslues adwellasbeing totally corrupt and criminal. Hence impf poo eachment. Just your kind of person.

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@MontereyJack,

I could say the same thing about the Biden crime family.

So there's full justification for all of Mr. Trump's efforts to have them investigated.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

the First Crusade started because emperor Alexios I Komnenos saw an opportunity to gain western military aid in defeating the Muslim Seljuks who were eating away at his empire in Asia Minor.

Yes. And also because of the ravaging of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.

The Muslims still haven't returned the Holy Grail. We really should steal their stupid black rock and not give it back to them until they do so.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

The dems didnt do it.

That is incorrect. The Democrats have been using the law as a weapon to try to harm people who disagree with them since the 1970s. This entire witch hunt against Mr. Trump is just the latest occurrence of this regular Democratic activity.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

What a loon.

Valuing our civil liberties is hardly lunacy.

It is wrong of progressives to try to violate our civil liberties for fun.

Until we find a way to rid society of progressives, other considerations just have to take a back seat to the need to prevent progressives from violating our civil liberties.

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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

The Muslims still haven't returned the Holy Grail.

It seems hard to give back something mythic. (But Spanish historians said some years ago that they have discovered what Monty Python could not find.)

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@Walter Hinteler,

We've got it, it's somewhere in Somerset, not sure where exactly, but it's there.

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I really do not think there is any amount of evidence that would change our right wing colleagues' minds. Nor does it matter from where or who that evidence emerges. And the sole reason for this is that any conclusion to this affair which holds Trump as guilty cannot be allowed within their noggins. There's no difference here with Scientologists who will not, because they cannot, accept that Hubbard might be a fraud. Or the mother who cannot accept that her son, whose fridge is filled with chopped up human bodies, could do such a thing. It's not a rational thing. It is a psychological state.

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@Walter Hinteler,

I'm pretty convinced the Monty Python actually found it. Didn't they ascent to eternal life in cinephilia?

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@blatham,

No. It's the mere fact that, as long as it is OK for Democrats to do it, it's also OK for Mr. Trump to do it.

No double standards.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

We've got it, it's somewhere in Somerset, not sure where exactly, but it's there.

Chalice Well at Glastonbury.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

It seems hard to give back something mythic.

It's not mythic. It was held at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, and the Muslims took it when they ravaged the place.

Regarding my proposal to steal their stupid black rock, we should proclaim that that too is a myth after we take it.

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Spanish historians said some years ago that they have discovered what Monty Python could not find.

I know. But that doesn't absolve Islam of stealing it from the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.

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@Olivier5,

You should be ashamed, since it is at Château de Montségur!

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Some quotes from Ken Starr prior to today's testimony. These quotes come from Ari Melber's twitter feet. When I can get more specifics I'll note them. At least some come from Starr's book Contempt: A Memoir of the Clinton Investigation.

Quote:

"Abuse of power.. our judgment that [Clinton] had improperly employed the powers of his office -- including meritless invocations of the doctrine of executive privilege..." (from last year)

Quote:

Starr writes "abuse of power" was important to include, because it "created the conceptual link to Watergate..."

"With Brett Kavanaugh as chief wordsmith, the set of charges proceeded .. from the first to... abuse of power."

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10 counts of perjury and obstruction building "to what we viewed as the *capstone,* the 11th accusing the President of Abusing The Power of His Office... Abuse of Power stood at the center of The President's behavior"

Quote:

Ken Starr writing about his Clinton probe in 2018:

We strongly agreed on "presidential abuse of power... this wasn't an obscure legal doctrine. This is what had brought Nixon down."

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@blatham,

That was a fine legal philosophy for the time. But it was invalidated when the Democrats voted that it is OK for presidents to abuse their power and Bill Clinton should not be removed from office for having done so.

There's no going back on that precedent now.

That said, there is no evidence that Mr. Trump has abused his power. He could have wanted the Bidens investigated because he genuinely thought that they were up to no good in Ukraine.

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@oralloy,

He wanted them investigatd because joe was a threat to his reeelection. The testimony has made that very clear.

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@MontereyJack,

That is incorrect. There is no proof that this was his motivation.

Not that it would matter even if there was such proof. If it is OK for Democrats to do it, then it is also OK for Mr. Trump to do it.

No double standards.

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@blatham,

blatham wrote:

I really do not think there is any amount of evidence that would change our right wing colleagues' minds. Nor does it matter from where or who that evidence emerges. And the sole reason for this is that any conclusion to this affair which holds Trump as guilty cannot be allowed within their noggins. There's no difference here with Scientologists who will not, because they cannot, accept that Hubbard might be a fraud. Or the mother who cannot accept that her son, whose fridge is filled with chopped up human bodies, could do such a thing. It's not a rational thing. It is a psychological state.

That observation would apply at least equally well, or better, to the Democrats seeking Trump's impeachment. Indeed the obsessive preconceptions about Trump's assumed motivations were strikingly evident in the otherwise tedious and boring House presentation of its case. Schiff and the unfortunate Jerry Nadler went even further, almost to the point of hysteria (either real of merely feigned).

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@oralloy,

It wasnt corruption. That had made no. Difference in 17 and 18 with amore corrupt govt there. Thst was the gops ex post facto rationale. Dies not account for trumps fixation on biden and his no-stated-reason for withholding congressionally managed aid. He was trying to bludgeon theminto doing his bidding. Trump has always been a loathsome underhanded toad.

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@MontereyJack,

There is no proof that Mr. Trump's motivation wasn't because he thought the Bidens were up to no good.

But even if there was proof that he only wanted to investigate the Bidens for political reasons, so what? If it is OK for the Democrats to do it, then it is also OK for Mr. Trump to do it.

No double standards.

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