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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
revelette3
 
  2  
Sun 26 Jan, 2020 08:30 am
@Setanta,
Thank you very much. Will do.
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blatham
 
  3  
Sun 26 Jan, 2020 09:18 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
What other tapes might exist? ... ... ...
Indeed. I'm very surprised that this Fruman tape exists. The likelihood of more seems quite high.
revelette3
 
  2  
Sun 26 Jan, 2020 09:26 am
@blatham,
It seems like those working in Trump's orbit seemed to feel the need to have insurance.
blatham
 
  3  
Sun 26 Jan, 2020 09:37 am
@revelette3,
It's altogether weird. I expect that during these sit-downs with Trump (for which attendees pay big money which all goes, in one way or another, to Trump personally) the opportunity to take photos or to record is used to bait potential attendees. And as Trump is always so engrossed in demonstrating his monarch-like power and because he has pathological notions of his brilliance, this sort of outcome looks to be inevitable. Trump himself is much easier to get a bead on here than the two fellows now leaking this stuff.
revelette3
 
  2  
Sun 26 Jan, 2020 09:42 am
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How Trump killed Iraq’s Popular Protests Against Corruption

Ann Arbor (Informed Comment) – The Iraqi armed forces tried to pull an al-Sisi on Saturday, making a concerted attempt to clear our camping protesters in Baghdad, Basra, and other cities, and leaving some protesters dead or wounded.

In Baghdad, the security forces attempted to clear Gilani Square and the Sinak Bridge, setting fire to tents. In both cases, however, the police failed, as protesters put out the call for reinforcements on social media and thousands of youth rushed to re-occupy these spaces.

The security forces did clear Mohammed al-Qasim highway, Tayaran Square, al-Nidhal Street, Cordoba Square, and Ahrar Bridge, and said they were cleaning them up in preparation for resumption of vehicular traffic.

In Nasiriya in the south, two protesters were reported killed. Police also used tear gas in an attempt to clear streets and squares, and set fire to protesters’ tents in Basra. In Diwaniya, locals closed the highway that runs through the province to all but food trucks for a seventh day in a row, according to AzZaman (The Times of Baghdad). Sadrists took down three out of over 100 tents from downtown Diwaniya after cleric Muqtada al-Sadr withdrew his active support for the anti-corruption protests.

The move seems to have come as the government became concerned about its survival after Trump bombed Baghdad International Airport on January 3, killing Iraqi military commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis and his Iranian colleague Gen. Qasem Soleimani.

On Jan. 5, the Shiite parties across the board voted in parliament to demand that the prime minister take steps to expel US troops.

Trump has said he would refuse to yank American troops from Iraq even if the government asked him to do so, and this stance has been echoed by secretary of defense Mark Esper and secretary of state Mike Pompeo.

The caretaker prime minister, Adil Abdulmahdi, had resigned last fall under pressure from the youth street protests and in response to widespread condemnation of him when over 500 demonstrators were killed by security forces.

The Shiite political elite has closed ranks after the Trump attack, and appears now to be determined to clear out the protesters. There is even a possibility that Abdulmahdi will rescind his resignation. This stiffening of the backbone of the government and new willingness to take brutal and desperate measures against the protest movement certainly has resulted from Trump’s act o aggression, which raised questions for the cabinet and the majority in parliament of whether the Americans were plotting a coup.

On Friday, Shiite cleric and politician Muqtada al-Sadr led tens of thousands of Iraqis in street protests at Jadriya against the US military presence, at Jadriya Square.

Youth protesters at Tahrir Square interpreted this massive rally as a form of support for the government and the Shiite militias that have become part of it. They accused Sadr of selling them out. This, even though these youth also want both US and Iranian forces out of Iraq.

In response, the offended Sadr said he was withdrawing his support from the anti-government protests, whose demand for anti-corruption measures he had earlier endorsed. Aljazeera quoted him as saying, “From now on I will not interfere in these [anti-government] protesters’ affairs neither in a negative nor positive way.”

He does not appear, contrary to some reports, actually to have ordered his followers out of Tahrir Square, and many young Sadrists continued to rally with their colleagues. Others, however, packed up their tents and left.

One narrative in Baghdad is that the departure of the Sadrists left the youth protesters open to being fired on by security forces, since their earlier restraint had derived from a fear of offending the powerful Sadr, whose Sairun party is the largest in parliament.

Egypt’s Field Marshall/ President Abdelfattah al-Sisi violently cleared out protesters from Rabia al-Adawiya Square in Cairo in August of 2013, leaving hundreds dead. This after he rode waves of youth protests to power, making a military putsch in late June of that year. Public protests are now illegal in Egypt and some of the leaders of the 2011 rallies, whom al-Sisi had praised, are in jail or long-term house arrest.


https://www.juancole.com/2020/01/popular-protests-corruption.html

So the protest originally was against both Iran and American influence, but after Trump's act of aggression, the powerful Sadr, who was the leader of the original protest, dropped his protest against Iran and has led his followers on a massive protest against the presence of only the US. The Shia leadership and Iran closed ranks after Trump's killing of Iran's popular general, Soleimani.
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hightor
 
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Sun 26 Jan, 2020 09:45 am
@blatham,
One thing about the recording, though. If the ambassador were really bad-mouthing the president while stationed at her post...well, wouldn't that be a pretty good reason for dismissing her? I'm assuming that was fake crap Giuliani was passing around because it doesn't sound like Yovanovitch at all — and it sounds a lot like something Trump's thugs would do. It's only hearsay at this point but if it were proven to be true it would damaging to the case against the president.
blatham
 
  1  
Sun 26 Jan, 2020 09:55 am
@hightor,
Yes, that occurred to me as well. But your assumption that it was crap info seems to me to make much more sense.

What struck me was Trump apparently just accepting such a narrative from Parnas. That, and knowing what we know about Trump's frequent rejection of information from his own intel and foreign service people while listening instead to Giuliani or Hannity or Putin or whomever, really displays how susceptible he is to manipulation from bad actors. Surely this is a key problem re US/Russia.
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blatham
 
  1  
Sun 26 Jan, 2020 09:58 am
There's no denying this one (Kerr is a law professor at Berkeley)
Quote:
Orin Kerr
@OrinKerr
If Watergate happened today, the tape would come out with Nixon discussing the coverup, Nixon would say there was no coverup, and the GOP would acquit Nixon because there was zero evidence of a coverup.
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blatham
 
  1  
Sun 26 Jan, 2020 10:06 am
No denying this either
Quote:
Steven Greenhouse
@greenhousenyt
It must be very nice for President Trump to have Fox News doing propaganda for him 24/7.

Imagine how very low his approval ratings would be & how high a percentage of voters would back his impeachment if Fox weren't doing a ton of public relations for him day after day.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPNpBozWAAAy2S0?format=jpg&name=900x900

Fox News host Jesse Watters
Quote:
“Fox is the only network that's gonna tell you the truth”


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blatham
 
  1  
Sun 26 Jan, 2020 11:03 am
This is OK Sen Lankford re Schiff's alluding to the CBS "head on a pike" report.
Quote:
I was visibly upset with it.

What a ******* dunce.

You could say "He was..." or "she was..." or "they were..." or "my colleagues were...".

He's repeating a talking point, "visibly upset", but doesn't have the brains to recognize that construction used in the first person is completely idiotic.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Sun 26 Jan, 2020 12:03 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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How does Parnas’s request fit into what we know about Yovanovitch’s firing?

Trump could have fired her for being ugly. Why he fired her for is irrelevant. He can do that.
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georgeob1
 
  -1  
Sun 26 Jan, 2020 02:02 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

This is OK Sen Lankford re Schiff's alluding to the CBS "head on a pike" report.
Quote:
I was visibly upset with it.

What a ******* dunce.


The only Dunce here was Rep. Schiff who is clearly quite taken with the delusion that he is a rather eloquent reporter of significant fact and analysis.

The truth is he is a deceitful partisan,who represents anything useful to his argument as fact; and a tiresome bore, who appears quite carried away with the illusion that he is eloquent and persuasive. The endless repetition of the same web of selected details and unwarranted suppositions by him and his companions on the Democrat Team, rather clearly persuaded no one in the Senate (and, I suspect in much of his audience). Schiff's judgment in reporting the unconfirmed "Head on a pike" phrase was seriously flawed in that he appears to have seriously antagonized the two or three Republican Senators that previously appeared to be wavering on some of the Democrat points regarding the Trial.

The Democrats presenting their case in the Senate appear to all be among the chief consumers of their own propaganda and lies. A parade of dunces who appear to have accomplished the opposite of their intent.
glitterbag
 
  3  
Sun 26 Jan, 2020 02:32 pm
Regardless of the outcome, Putin wins.

If Trump is actually removed from office, conservatives will be out for revenge...much like the uproar over Nixon's resignation. Putin wins.

If the Senators refuse to find Trump guilty, Putin still wins. He will have set us against us each other.

There will be no real incentive for the Congress to protect our elections, because some think they will always be on the winning side.....Putin wins.

The Russians are masters of disinformation, we aren't.....Putin wins.

Builder
 
  1  
Sun 26 Jan, 2020 02:49 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
A parade of dunces who appear to have accomplished the opposite of their intent.


Still butthurt over 2016, is what we're seeing across the pond.

No substance. No platform. No chance of change in 2020.

georgeob1
 
  0  
Sun 26 Jan, 2020 02:53 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

Regardless of the outcome, Putin wins.
....
The Russians are masters of disinformation, we aren't.....Putin wins.

The Russians (and many other nations as well - including ours) have been using disinformation and other like devices to undermine potential opponents for many decades. Nothing either new or unusual in that.

It certainly helps to have credulous, self-serving assistants in the targeted nation who, for their own partisan reasons, amplify the disinformation and its effect. Democrats, in their surprised rage after losing the last Presidential election have done precisely this, using a highly amplified (by them), but otherwise ordinary Russian disformation program to mask their follies and ineptitude in the 2016 Presidential election campaign.

The obvious truth is that Putin has far more to Fear from a Trump presidency than any Democrat one. The rather obvious effects of our now booming economy and our newfound status as the world's largest petroleum producer ( now with substantial ability to influence the world price for Russia's principal export and source of hard currency) stands in stark contrast to the likely situation if Clinton had one (with hag Hillary, all Putin would have to do was push "reset buttons").

Beyond all that there is something absurd in the Democrat's fixation with the danger imposed for us by a now fragmented,economically stagnant Russia, beset as it is with an also declining, ageing population. China is our real strategic rival, and our main goal with respect to Russia is to deflect it from a stronger alliance with China. For this we must increase Russia's dependence on, and interaction with Western Nations. Trump appears to understand this, while Democrats remain hostage to their shrill hysteria.
georgeob1
 
  1  
Sun 26 Jan, 2020 03:07 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

And as Trump is always so engrossed in demonstrating his monarch-like power .


You appear here to be taking your cues from the (rather comic and pathetic) Adam Schiff.
Sturgis
 
  1  
Sun 26 Jan, 2020 03:13 pm
@georgeob1,
Does the truth hurt you georgeob1? Does it confuse you after the past three years of monotonous lies issued from Trump and his mealy-mouthed sychophantic minions?
georgeob1
 
  0  
Sun 26 Jan, 2020 03:26 pm
@Sturgis,
To just what supposed truth are you referring here? Obama acted with far more autonomy than has Trump, particularly with his regulatory overreach in matters ranging from public education to immigration and environmental policy.
Sturgis
 
  1  
Sun 26 Jan, 2020 03:31 pm
@georgeob1,
Autonomy and truth are not the same thing.
glitterbag
 
  3  
Sun 26 Jan, 2020 03:35 pm
@Sturgis,
It appears that Putin is more appealing than I thought.
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