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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
revelette3
 
  3  
Thu 23 Jan, 2020 11:09 am
There is an interesting case coming up in the US supreme court involving tax payer money going to private and religious schools, Roberts might surprise us once again. But then again, he might not. He is asking some questions which lend hope for the liberal side of the court.

Chief Justice Roberts could be an unexpected savior of public education in a religious schools case
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revelette3
 
  3  
Thu 23 Jan, 2020 11:11 am
McConnell Prefers to Hold ’Em, but Also Knows When to Fold ’Em
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revelette3
 
  3  
Thu 23 Jan, 2020 12:58 pm
Trump, back from Davos, denounces Senate impeachment trial

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Trump, who returned to Washington late Wednesday from the World Economic Forum in Davos, began his day with a volley of angry early morning tweets from the White House.

The Republican president accused Democrats from the House of Representatives of making a case for his impeachment to the Senate that was "loaded with lies and misrepresentations."

He attacked Adam Schiff, the chief House prosecutor, in starkly personal terms, calling him "Shifty Schiff," and retweeting criticism of the California lawmaker made by presidential supporters to Fox News.

Schiff and the other House Democratic prosecutors presented their opening arguments in the Republican-controlled Senate on Wednesday, accusing Trump of seeking to cheat in the upcoming presidential election.

Trump is accused of withholding military aid from Ukraine to pressure his Ukrainian counterpart to announce an investigation into potential November presidential election rival Joe Biden.

"President Trump withheld hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid to a strategic partner at war with Russia to secure foreign help with his re-election," Schiff said. "In other words, to cheat."
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glitterbag
 
  2  
Thu 23 Jan, 2020 01:27 pm
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:

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Wow, what a pile of lies......but lets pretend it was true (it isn't but lets pretend)

That Clinton violated the terms of her legal obligations is indisputable. But that's for another thread.


Some people believe that, I don't.
But I was not bringing up Hillary or Barack Obama, when ever some members get frustrated about the criticism of Mr. Trump...the go to line is but, but, but, but, but Hillary,,but but but, Obama was born in Kenya.
blatham
 
  4  
Thu 23 Jan, 2020 02:45 pm
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Donald Trump, unable to present much of a defense of his actions, continues to whine incessantly about the impeachment process, which wouldn’t be especially notable were it not for a nagging detail: his complaints are getting a little weird.

Take this morning’s tweet, for example.

Quote:
“The Democrat House would not give us lawyers, or not one witness, but now demand that the Republican Senate produce the witnesses that the House never sought, or even asked for? They had their chance, but pretended to rush. Most unfair & corrupt hearing in Congressional history!”


Let’s take each of the claims one at a time.

* “The Democrat House would not give us lawyers.” Actually, the House Democratic majority specifically extended multiple invitations to White House attorneys to participate in the impeachment process. Trump’s lawyers turned down those invitations and refused to play a role in the House proceedings.

There are some subjective questions in the president’s scandal, but this isn’t one them. It’s not even an obscure detail: the headline in the Washington Post last month read, “White House rejects House Democrats’ invitation to participate in impeachment process as Trump focuses on friendly Senate.” It really wasn’t that long ago; Trump has no excuse for not knowing this.

* “Not one witness.” Actually, not only did witnesses requested by Republicans testify, but the Democratic majority also invited White House attorneys to ask questions of witnesses.

* Democrats want the Senate to “produce the witnesses that the House never sought, or even asked for.” Actually, at issue are witnesses Democrats did ask for, but the White House blocked their testimony.

* “Most unfair.” To date, Trump has not pointed to any specific aspect of the House impeachment proceedings that, in reality, was unfair.

* “Corrupt hearing.” To date, Trump has not pointed to any specific aspect of the House impeachment proceedings that, in reality, was corrupt.


Or put another way, Trump’s tweet this morning included five claims, each of which are the opposite of the truth.


It’s worth emphasizing that the president and his team have had months to come up with real-world examples of the House utilizing an improper process. To date, they’ve found nothing coherent to complain about.

As regular readers know, Republicans originally argued that the House impeachment process was unfair because there’d been no formal vote on the House floor to authorize the inquiry. After the House did, in fact, hold such a vote, Republicans shifted their focus, complaining that the process is unfair because there were no public impeachment committee hearings.

After the House did, in fact, hold extensive public impeachment committee hearings, Republicans shifted again, insisting that the process is unfair because Trump and his team were not given an opportunity to present a defense. After Trump and his team were invited to present a defense, Republicans shifted again, insisting that the process is unfair because, well, just because.

I’m sure some will take this argument seriously, but I’m less sure why.
Benen

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Builder
 
  0  
Thu 23 Jan, 2020 02:47 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
Obama was born in Kenya.


Was he? News to me.

What we do know, is that he knowingly used that private server.

He also was fully aware of Biden's dodgy dealings with Burisma in the Ukraine.

This is why we're in favour of using all the witnesses in this impeachment trial.
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Glennn
 
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Thu 23 Jan, 2020 02:50 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
Some people believe that, I don't.
But I was not bringing up Hillary or Barack Obama, when ever some members get frustrated about the criticism of Mr. Trump...the go to line is but, but, but, but, but Hillary,,but but but, Obama was born in Kenya.

Sure, and by the same token, I get frustrated when I hear others attempting to relegate Clinton's violation of the terms of her legal obligations under the agreement she signed to the realm of belief when it happens to be a matter of record.
blatham
 
  2  
Thu 23 Jan, 2020 02:53 pm
Hat tip - Jim Lehrer.

Some years back at a psychoanalytic conference in New York City, I sat down for a meal with the wife of one of the Washington Post's senior execs. She and her husband were close friends of Lehrer and his wife. She confided to me that he "swore like a sailor". Of course that only increased my fondness for the man.
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glitterbag
 
  4  
Thu 23 Jan, 2020 03:08 pm
@Glennn,
Maybe you should start a thread on why people should believe Hillary Clinton is despicable. My Aunt hates her (I'm not kidding) because she didn't leave Bill when he was unfaithful...........Apparently it was forgivable when my Uncle was flagrantly cheating on her while she kept house, cooked his meals and took care of two boys......But then again, my Aunt is a little bit of a hypocrite.

I just want to point out that Trump is the president we currently have, Hillary isn't, she never will be, she's done. I'm not going to waste my energy over issues that have been investigated for years and years and years. Mentioning Hillary is just the modern day "Remember the Alamo or Remember the Maine". I actually do understand your feelings. If you want to see me steaming hot, bring up
the USS Liberty.

oralloy
 
  -1  
Thu 23 Jan, 2020 03:26 pm
@glitterbag,
Collateral damage is a part of war. The US has committed more than our fair share of friendly fire mistakes.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Thu 23 Jan, 2020 03:27 pm
(Transferring a discussion from a thread where it is off topic and increasingly unwelcome.)

Sturgis wrote:
These children are being separated from their own families, at the border! Arriving in a new place is traumatic enough. Being torn apart from their still living family, is, one step closer to death. Either physical or mental or by abandoning all hope and landing on a road of crime.

I think the children will adjust to living with their new American families.


Sturgis wrote:
Further, placing the children in foster care does not give them citizenship. That involves many other things.

I don't think that after being raised as Americans they will be deported. More likely they will gain a status similar to the dreamers.


Sturgis wrote:
Additionally, the current administration has admitted having screwed up so completely, that they in many cases, have no idea which child belongs to which parent/guardian from whom they were parted.

I think I heard something about that. But their new American families know who they are and where to find them.


Sturgis wrote:
Near as I can tell, you never have! Your alleged IQ, is worthless as it hasn't given you any capacity to care!

Care about what? Is this just an exercise in virtue signalling?
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Glennn
 
  -1  
Thu 23 Jan, 2020 03:30 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
Maybe you should start a thread on why people should believe Hillary Clinton is despicable.

No. If I start a thread about this, the point will not be "why people should believe that Hillary Clinton is despicable." It will be about why people relegate a matter of record concerning her criminal negligence to the realm of belief when it is based on facts.
glitterbag
 
  3  
Thu 23 Jan, 2020 03:59 pm
@Glennn,
That's ok by me.......not every comment is meant to be an argument.
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coldjoint
 
  0  
Thu 23 Jan, 2020 04:21 pm
Quote:
Senator Rand Paul Makes President Trump an Offer He Really Should Accept

Paul invites Trump to the Impeachment trial.
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President Trump really should consider taking Paul up on his invitation. It would be epic. It would also be in keeping with the very best of Anglo-Saxon legal tradition…no, not trial by combat, though that would be epic, too…in which the accused gets the opportunity to confront his accuser directly.

We all know this prosecution is a sham and simply the Democrats grubbing for electoral advantage in the 2020 presidential and senatorial races. Trump showing up to confront Schiff or Nadler in public would be a fitting climax to this whole sorry show.

https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2020/01/23/770573/
coldjoint
 
  0  
Thu 23 Jan, 2020 04:36 pm
https://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/07-Blasey-Witness-LI-600.jpg
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snood
 
  2  
Thu 23 Jan, 2020 04:46 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
Senator Rand Paul Makes President Trump an Offer He Really Should Accept

Paul invites Trump to the Impeachment trial.
Quote:
President Trump really should consider taking Paul up on his invitation. It would be epic. It would also be in keeping with the very best of Anglo-Saxon legal tradition…no, not trial by combat, though that would be epic, too…in which the accused gets the opportunity to confront his accuser directly.

We all know this prosecution is a sham and simply the Democrats grubbing for electoral advantage in the 2020 presidential and senatorial races. Trump showing up to confront Schiff or Nadler in public would be a fitting climax to this whole sorry show.

https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2020/01/23/770573/


Pipe dreams. He won’t confront Schiff or anyone else face to face. He can’t even fire someone in person. He’s never had a day in court. Never faced a judge or jury. He’s guilty. And he’s a coward.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Thu 23 Jan, 2020 04:55 pm
@snood,
Quote:
He can’t even fire someone in person.

I guess your never watched his show. Laughing
Quote:
He’s guilty. And he’s a coward.

TDS
glitterbag
 
  2  
Thu 23 Jan, 2020 05:09 pm
@coldjoint,
I never watched his TV 'reality' show..........but it's impossible to miss the **** show he's running now.
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roger
 
  3  
Thu 23 Jan, 2020 05:27 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

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..it's fine for you nevertrumpers...

Incorrect use of term. glitterbag is not a conservative republican who opposed Trump's nomination.

Well, I AM. I even voted for whatsername.
blatham
 
  2  
Thu 23 Jan, 2020 05:52 pm
I've been mulling over whether or not I ought to label myself as a Never Rogerer but I don't think I can go quite that far.
 

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