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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 4 Feb, 2017 12:12 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The US customs and border protection agency has reportedly told airlines to resume operation as normal – that is, as if the Trump travel ban order never existed - their website doesn't give this information.
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MontereyJack
 
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Sat 4 Feb, 2017 01:08 am
@Baldimo,
20 million is "a few people"? You're weird, baldimo.
MontereyJack
 
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Sat 4 Feb, 2017 01:12 am
@layman,
FAIL.
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blatham
 
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Sat 4 Feb, 2017 01:34 am
@Walter Hinteler,
That p1900 is a car I've never seen before. It certainly is uglier than the Alpha roadster. Until very recently, Volvo's were not stylish but they always made good cars. Dad got a PV 544 when I was about 15 and then a Volvo Canadian (it had a number designation elsewhere) which was the car I got my licence in. My older brother owned four Volvos and raced one. And we have one at this house presently.
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layman
 
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Sat 4 Feb, 2017 01:41 am
@old europe,
OK, Yurp, thanks for that link. That's a device I've never seen before.
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layman
 
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Sat 4 Feb, 2017 01:55 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

The Ruling


Wow. The section of that ruling entitled "FINDINGS OF FACT & CONCLUSIONS OF LAW" consists of 100% conclusions and 0% facts. It hard to tell what supposedly makes this order "illegal."

The only real hint I can find is on page 6, where the word "uniform" is italized twice.

Apparently the judge felt the order was not being uniformly applied, for some unstated reason.
blatham
 
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Sat 4 Feb, 2017 02:46 am
These two incidents and the starkly irrational differences in response tell us pretty much all we'd need to know (if we didn't already) regarding the Trump administration's religious bigotry and affinity for white supremacist ideology.
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“A new radical Islamic terrorist has just attacked in Louvre Museum in Paris. Tourists were locked down. France on edge again. GET SMART U.S.,” President Trump tweeted.

French authorities are indeed investigating the incident as possible terrorism. But other than the critical wounding of the assailant, there were no injuries, except a slight cut to the scalp of a soldier.

Trump’s reaction to the Egyptian attacker who had shouted “God is great” in Arabic also stood in stark contrast to his public silence on the killing of six Muslim worshipers five days earlier at a mosque in Quebec City.
WP
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layman
 
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Sat 4 Feb, 2017 02:47 am
@layman,
If a judge has just sentenced a criminal to a year in jail, you could make all kinds of arguments about how much of an inconvenience this would be to him, his wife, his kids, the brother-in-law that he supports, to his friends, who will miss his companionship, etc.

And such arguments could be completely true.

But they would also be irrelevant.

The first question would have to be this: Did the sentencing judge do something illegal?

If not, then it's just tough **** that the criminal and his homeys won't like it if he goes to jail.

That ruling doesn't in any way specify in what way Trump's EO is "illegal." Basically it just tells you that some people will be unhappy if it is enforced.
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hightor
 
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Sat 4 Feb, 2017 03:40 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
No one was afraid. It is just that there was no reason to close Guantanamo.

Fear was definitely in the air, as this article from 2009 indicates:
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Lawmakers, mindful of polls showing wide public opposition to bringing detainees to the United States, have expressed concerns about the safety of their constituents, and some have said that any location housing detainees, even the most secure prisons, would become a potential target for a terrorist attack.

NY
Columnist Glenn Greenwald described it as well:
Terrorists in Prison: Is There Anything the Right Doesn't Fear?
But I don't blame you from trying to deny it now — it was a pretty revolting spectacle by lawmakers on both sides of the aisle.
blatham
 
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Sat 4 Feb, 2017 03:40 am
Trump has now proved beyond doubt a fundamental right wing notion:

Administrative competence at the presidential level will be maximized if a businessman runs the White House.
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Olivier5
 
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Sat 4 Feb, 2017 03:50 am
What a sordid mess... Beyond all the personal havoc created and the companies missing their staff, I wonder what the consequences will be on tourism to the US.
blatham
 
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Sat 4 Feb, 2017 04:03 am
@Olivier5,
I saw some press this morning (can't find it now) on another section of the EO which could have profound consequences for tourism.
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blatham
 
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Sat 4 Feb, 2017 04:05 am
Snowden got this one wrong
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2016: a choice between Donald Trump and Goldman Sachs.
blatham
 
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Sat 4 Feb, 2017 04:09 am
Two versions of a thing

http://www168.lunapic.com/do-not-link-here-use-hosting-instead/148508133442220?407029097
h/t Dan Savage
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Olivier5
 
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Sat 4 Feb, 2017 04:38 am
@blatham,
Why so wrong?
blatham
 
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Sat 4 Feb, 2017 04:42 am
@Olivier5,
Because of the number of GS and other high level banking/finance people in and around the Trump admin and the lack of any real countering forces within the GOP in the Senate or Congress (as Sanders or Warren or Wyden etc) who would have worked to counter Clinton tendencies to go status quo.
blatham
 
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Sat 4 Feb, 2017 04:49 am
@blatham,
This, for example, would not have happened under a Clinton admin
Quote:
Trump signs order to begin rolling back Wall Street regulations
WP
blatham
 
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Sat 4 Feb, 2017 04:53 am
the Big Lie, an example:

Quote:
The State Department says that 60,000 visas have been revoked because of Trump’s sort-of-Muslim-ban, while a lawyer for the government said at a hearing that it was 100,000. Either way, it’s a few more than the 109 people Sean Spicer kept saying were inconvenienced.
WP
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Olivier5
 
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Sat 4 Feb, 2017 05:01 am
@blatham,
This is speculative though. You don't really know for sure. And in keeping with speculation, I doubt the prosecution of banks would have been aggressive under Clinton, whatever the laws on the books.
layman
 
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Sat 4 Feb, 2017 05:04 am
@old europe,
According to the NYT:

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It is not unusual for district courts to issue nationwide injunctions blocking executive actions, and the federal government must obey such injunctions even when other district courts have declined to issue injunctions in similar cases.


"Not unusual?" According to the attorneys at Lawfare, such actions are "recent," and "conflict with a number of settled doctrines." Such "nationwide' injunctions are often struck down by federal appeals courts, and have apparently never been sanctioned by the U.S. Supreme Court:

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Nationwide Injunctions and the Lower Federal Courts

Given confusion in recent days as to the propriety of lower courts issuing nationwide injunctions, it’s worth reviewing how these injunctions have recently been issued, how they are used, and where they stand legally....

A new paper by Professor Samuel Bray notes that this is a relatively recent phenomena, and one that conflicts with a number of settled doctrines and conceptions about the relationship among courts themselves and between courts, parties, and non-parties.

Lower courts have frequently approved nationwide injunctions in cases that are neither class actions nor filed under the APA, which arguably provides a statutory nationwide effect. The Supreme Court has not expressly approved these practices of the lower courts, however.

... the [Supreme] Court has emphasized that injunctions cannot be expanded beyond the parties on the theory that it is necessary to protect non-parties. Nationwide injunctions in non-class suits are also in tension with Rules 23 and 65 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, as noted above.

We can expect debate about this issue to be ongoing as lower courts continue to issue nationwide injunctions that benefit nonparties....We may see this question arise sooner rather than later, depending on how the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia addresses the State of Virginia’s motion to hold the federal government in contempt over its purported refusal to abide by the court’s temporary restraining order forbidding deportation and requiring access to counsel for legal permanent residents detained at Dulles Airport.


https://www.lawfareblog.com/nationwide-injunctions-and-lower-federal-courts

The Bray paper referenced in that excerpt was written in November, 2016, by a UCLA law professor. It argues that:

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No matter how important the question and no matter how important the value of uniformity, a federal court should not award a national injunction. The basis for this principle is traditional equity, in line with the rule that the federal courts must trace their equitable doctrines to that source


https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers2.cfm?abstract_id=2864175


If the cheese-eaters now think they can effectively run the executive and legislative branches by way of the judicial branch, they gotta nother thing comin, I spect.
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