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@Lash,

@Lash,
Then pretty clearly, Sanders ought now to totally disconnect from all cooperative activities with the DNC and the DCCC and any other such establishment body. And, obviously, he should boldly stand and say that Pelosi is an enemy of the people. That would be the principled action for him. If he doesn't, surely he's just whoring for help, money and votes.

Yes or no?

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Hillary Clinton Senior Aide Jen Palmieri Congratulates Bernie Sanders on ‘Momentous’ Lead in Gold Standard Iowa Poll

Mediate

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@blatham,

AOC is handling it just fine.

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@izzythepush,

If you were left wing, you’d be pissed as hell at most everybody here for supporting Republican Lite candidates who underwrite so many trump objectives.

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@blatham,

Hahaha. He BRINGS money to the Dem party. They clamor for the money Bern can generate.

Low information Blatham at the keyboard again!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/01/02/democrats-2020-huge-donor-windfall-093034

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Dems rocket into 2020 with huge donor windfall
Party veterans once worried about Democratic fundraising are now convinced the eventual nominee can compete with Trump.
Bernie Sanders
Sen. Bernie Sanders' massive $34.5 million fundraising total for the fourth quarter of the year put him within range of President Donald Trump. | Charlie Neibergall/AP Photo

By MAGGIE SEVERNS and HOLLY OTTERBEIN
01/02/2020 05:52 PM EST
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Democrats are riding a massive surge of presidential campaign cash into 2020, boosting the party’s hopes of taking back the White House.

Their leading candidates for president faced criticism last year from party veterans alarmed by tepid early fundraising totals. But they finished up 2019 raking in cash from fired-up donors: The current Democratic presidential contenders and the Democratic National Committee combined raised over $480 million in the last year — more than President Donald Trump’s reelection machine brought in during that time.

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Democrats are still encouraged by the money pouring in from both the progressive and moderate wings of the party, as well as from Democrats writing big checks and from small-dollar donors alike. Though the party is about to spend much of the money raised on a tough primary while Trump builds up resources to take on the eventual nominee, the millions of contributions to Democrats in $10 or $20 increments signal massive enthusiasm from the party grassroots heading into the election year.

“I was very nervous [in the spring] that these operations were not sophisticated enough to go toe to toe with Trump,” said Rufus Gifford, finance director for Barack Obama’s 2012 presidential campaign. But Sen. Bernie Sanders’ massive $34.5 million fundraising total for the fourth quarter for the year put him within range of Trump, who brought in $46 million for his campaign — even while Sanders faces a crowded field of primary contenders competing for money in the days ahead of the Iowa caucuses.

“The idea that you’re within striking distance of an incumbent president — not considering the party fundraising — I think that’s pretty solid,” Gifford said. “You’ve got to feel encouraged as a Democrat. There’s obviously a lot of energy out there.”
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And that energy is for one candidate.

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@blatham,

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Then pretty clearly, Sanders ought now to totally disconnect from all cooperative activities with the DNC and the DCCC and any other such establishment body. And, obviously, he should boldly stand and say that Pelosi is an enemy of the people.

Lash and her ilk don't want to disassociate from the DNC establishment, they want to take the DNC established operation and replace it with their own people. In other words, they just want the name and established brand. It is the number one thing I have against them. I would have way more respect if they had their own third party and did everything on their own.

Or if they want to be part of the DNC, be inclusive and try to work with the party rather than against it. Do not insist on their own way but just offer ideas and see if it floats in a natural way. Some of their ideas are good, some are extreme, but this intolerance of democrats and other views is just unacceptable.

BTW, in my own opinion, which is what all this is, Edgar don't really belong to that group. He just thinks democrats have lost their way since we first began the new deal with better wages, safer work places, unions...all that sort of thing. He also thinks some democrats are beholden to special interest and all of that as well. But to me, he just don't come off as one those "new progressives" wanting to take over the democrat party; and oddly neither does Sanders himself.

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Taiwan's President Tsai Ing-wen has secured a second term after sweeping to victory in an election dominated by the island's relationship with China.

Ms Tsai secured just over 57% of the ballot - a record 8.2m votes - well ahead of her rival Han Kuo-yu.

Ms Tsai opposes closer ties with China, with Mr Han suggesting they would bring economic benefits.

In her victory speech, Ms Tsai told China to abandon its threat to take back the island by force.

Ms Tsai told a news conference: "Taiwan is showing the world how much we cherish our free democratic way of life and how much we cherish our nation."

China has claimed sovereignty over Taiwan since the end of the Chinese civil war in 1949. It says Taiwan must eventually be reunited with China, by force if necessary.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-51077553

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@Lash,

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Nobel Prize winner Glenn Greenwald,

He got an Izzy Award [really, but pun intended], but Nobel Prize and when?

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@Lash,

If you weren't imperialist in your thinking you wouldn't automatically assume I'd be that bothered about who was lining up against Trump.

Why would I take an interest in your country's politics when I've got a leadership election of my own to vote in?

Your process hasn't even started yet and there's a **** ton of candidates most of whom I haven't heard of. Why the **** should I have to get my head round a bunch of also rans who'll be nowt but pub trivia in a couple of weeks time?

I'll wait until someone's got an idea of who's going to be running before I give a ****.

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@izzythepush,

I agree.
We had had the elections for our party (sic!) leaders recently. But if there had been such "discussions" about the candidates like done here by some - that clearly would have eliminated the chances of those.

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@revelette3,

My ilksters and I watched the party of liberals who were all about unions and the common man switch allegiances to middle of the road policies and corporate donors.

We’re not taking it away; we’re taking it back from the Republican Lite carpetbaggers who screwed it up.

One corporate Conservative party is quite enough in a duopoly.

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@izzythepush,

Hey. You talk about it all the time; that shows your interest.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Walter Hinteler wrote:

Lash wrote:
Nobel Prize winner Glenn Greenwald,
He got an Izzy Award [really, but pun intended], but Nobel Prize and when?

My mistake. It was a Pulitzer.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

My mistake. It was a Pulitzer.

Really? I'd thought, the Guardian and the Washington Post won the Pulitzer prize for NSA revelations.(Source)

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It appears that what might have started as TDS among "Democrats" has degenerated into fairly savage infighting between the new left and Establishment wings of the Democrat Party. Even that last phrase is a bit inaccurate in that there also appears to be a divide between Sanders supporters and others in the new left, perhaps as a result of Bernie's unapologetic embrace of socialism. One here is reminded of an old joke about the reasons for bitterness of internecine disputes among academics. It's "because the stakes are so low" goes the joke.

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Make no mistake about it; out theRump's absolute insolent stupidity, he now has the blood of 176 innocent international passengers aboard a Ukrainian airline on his hands!

And, then he and his administration lies, lies, lies. This is an international crime, period.

Pompeo, the generals, Esper, the CIA head are becoming more and more complicit due to their actions also.

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@Lash,

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AOC is handling it just fine.

Handling what just fine? The honesty and integrity parts? She's being courageous so that Sanders can be dishonest, hiding behind her?

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Low information Blatham at the keyboard again!

Anybody on the site want to weigh in on "low information" as a descriptor that best fits Lash or myself? Feel free.

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And that energy is for one candidate.

I gather you didn't read what you pasted.

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The current Democratic presidential contenders and the Democratic National Committee combined raised over $480 million in the last year — more than President Donald Trump’s reelection machine brought in during that time.

...Democrats are still encouraged by the money pouring in from both the progressive and moderate wings of the party, as well as from Democrats writing big checks and from small-dollar donors alike.

There are fine reasons people here don't trust you, Lash.

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@blatham,

Bernie, you really don't have to defend yourself to me. I realize what you just wrote is absolutely true. I have had Lash on ignore for years. She has very little I have ever noted to be honest and true to begin with and I have never agreed with her politics!

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@revelette3,

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Lash and her ilk don't want to disassociate from the DNC establishment, they want to take the DNC established operation and replace it with their own people.

I expect it is possible that some imagine this is possible but it isn't.

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The DNC is composed of the chairs and vice-chairs of each state Democratic Party committee and more than 200 members elected by Democrats in all 50 states and the territories. Its chair is elected by the committee. It conducts fundraising to support its activities.

But aside from that, I doubt Lash can think through that or even cares to. Almost the entirety of her schtick here is to bad-mouth the Dems.

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But to me, [edgar] just don't come off as one those "new progressives" wanting to take over the democrat party; and oddly neither does Sanders himself.

Edgar certainly shares some ideas with Lash but he isn't dishonest.

Or we could take AOC. She's a Bernie supporter and that's perfectly fine. She's critical of the Dem "establishment' and that's perfectly fine. But the distance between what AOC says and how she says it is miles from the bile that Lash writes. When AOC says, as she did recently, that if the US had a multi-party system she and Biden would be in different parties, that almost certainly correct. But of course, as here in multi-party Canada, that doesn't mean that the NDP is a more legitimate representative of democracy than the Liberals. Both forward social democrat ideologies and parties. There are intractable extremists in both who think like Lash (if she's being honest in this which isn't certain) but they are the analogues of right wing extremists.

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I would have way more respect if they had their own third party and did everything on their own.

They won't do that because they can't and still retain any hope of winning or governing successfully. It's why Sanders is running as a Democratic party rep and not as a Socialist Party leader.

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@Walter Hinteler,

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Lash wrote:
Nobel Prize winner Glenn Greenwald,

He got an Izzy Award [really, but pun intended], but Nobel Prize and when?

No Nobel award. But he has been given a Polk award and a Pulitzer for his reporting on Snowden in the Guardian.

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