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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Thu 9 Jan, 2020 12:38 pm
@izzythepush,
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The fact that the crowds at his funeral are the largest since the death of Khomenei says it all.

40,000 hot meals got the people there.
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McGentrix
 
  0  
Thu 9 Jan, 2020 12:53 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Do you think they were on a heightened defense footing, preparing for US counterstrikes, and hadn't gotten notified about a civilian airliner in the air space? I can't see them intentionally doing this.


I felt similar but without the anti-US rhetoric.
Brand X
 
  1  
Thu 9 Jan, 2020 01:16 pm
Rania Khalek

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2h2 hours ago
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When crippling US sanctions make it difficult to investigate a plane crash: “Sanctions against Iran prevent Boeing from contacting the Iranians without an export license, they said.”
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hightor
 
  2  
Thu 9 Jan, 2020 01:17 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote:
I felt similar but without the anti-US rhetoric.

Are you denying that it happened or are you defending the downing of the Iranian passenger jet?
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Thu 9 Jan, 2020 01:21 pm
Quote:
Appeals court approves border wall funding

A promise Trump seems intent on keeping. That is a good thing.
https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2020/01/09/appeals-court-approves-border-wall-funding/
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hightor
 
  2  
Thu 9 Jan, 2020 01:22 pm
@oralloy,
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We did not intentionally down a passenger jet.

We intentionally downed an Iranian aircraft which turned out to be a passenger airliner. Not a great moment in military history but not unprecedented either. Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, for instance.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Thu 9 Jan, 2020 01:32 pm
@hightor,
Another opinion.
Quote:
US Officials "Highly Confident" Iran Accidentally Shot Down Ukrainian Jet

Quote:
U.S. OFFICIALS ARE NOW CONFIDENT UKRAINE AIRLINER WAS SHOT DOWN BY IRANIAN MISSILE, CITING SATELLITE DATA -GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/boeing-shares-climb-reports-iranian-missile-system-shot-down-ukraine-jet
Brand X
 
  1  
Thu 9 Jan, 2020 01:34 pm
Narges Bajoghli


@nargesbajoghli
2h2 hours ago
MoreNarges Bajoghli Retweeted CBS News
When rumors first started yesterday about this, from Iranian opposition in CA w photos that couldn’t be geolocated, Reuters said western intel said no signs of Iran shooting down plan. Now Trump admin reversing course. Something fishy is going on. The poor families.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Thu 9 Jan, 2020 01:41 pm
@Brand X,
I see it is time to wait for proof positive of what actually happened. Not that it will stop people and the MSM from blaming Trump, but it should.
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hightor
 
  1  
Thu 9 Jan, 2020 01:46 pm
@coldjoint,
My response to oralloy concerns the jet we downed in '88. I've already said that I believe the Ukrainian jet was accidentally downed by Iranian anti-aircraft systems which were activated in case of US airstrikes.
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georgeob1
 
  1  
Thu 9 Jan, 2020 01:55 pm
@oralloy,
We came close in 1987. USS Vincennes shot down an Iranian airliner in the mistaken belief that it was an Iranian F-14. This occurred while the ship was in the midst of rapid maneuvering in a very foolish close engagement with a bunch of the Iranian patrol boats that had been shooting up and harassing passing tankers in the Hormuz Straits. Why a cruiser, armed with a semi automatic 5 inch gun would get in such a close in fight using deck mounted 50 cal. machine guns was a bit hard to understand . They could have easily positioned themselves a few miles away and leisurely picked them off with the 5 inch gun- or called for air support ( a single fighter armed with a rapid fire 20mm gun could have easily done the job - something we did as a matter of routine - the Iranian patrol boats would scatter and leave immediately on sighting the aircraft.).

The captain of the Cruiser was quickly relieved and retired (he was lucky).
engineer
 
  2  
Thu 9 Jan, 2020 01:55 pm
An overview of how China is moving into prominence as the US burns bridges in the Mid East.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/asia/iran-us-china-middle-east-intl-hnk/?hpt=ob_blogfooterold
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McGentrix
 
  0  
Thu 9 Jan, 2020 02:46 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
I felt similar but without the anti-US rhetoric.

Are you denying that it happened or are you defending the downing of the Iranian passenger jet?


It means exactly what it says.
Quote:
Do you think they were on a heightened defense footing, preparing for US counterstrikes, and hadn't gotten notified about a civilian airliner in the air space? I can't see them intentionally doing this.


I can say this about Iran and feel no need to point out something that the US did a long time ago. There is no need to add your bit of anti-Americanism. It has nothing to do with this event.

Baldimo
 
  0  
Thu 9 Jan, 2020 03:10 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote:
I can say this about Iran and feel no need to point out something that the US did a long time ago. There is no need to add your bit of anti-Americanism. It has nothing to do with this event.

It's whataboutism but this time it's ok because America is the target...
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Lash
 
  0  
Thu 9 Jan, 2020 03:15 pm
@izzythepush,
As I said—it is early to make any assessment. I really expected retaliation. I hope desperately that it won’t happen.

And, at the same time, I acknowledge that if there is no retaliation, it goes as a big indelible mark for Trump during the election.

He took a terrible risk. I was furious. Americans were living and / or serving in the region and had no warning that Trump was drawing a target on them.

How massive anti-American retribution wasn’t exacted in the hours after the assassination is a miracle to me.

But, as members —and I—have said—it is early.
Lash
 
  0  
Thu 9 Jan, 2020 03:17 pm
@snood,
It’s not confirmed. Watching.
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hightor
 
  2  
Thu 9 Jan, 2020 03:21 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote:

I can say this about Iran and feel no need to point out something that the US did a long time ago.

That's great, McG, good for you.
Quote:
There is no need to add your bit of anti-Americanism. It has nothing to do with this event.

It's part of the regional history and was referenced in some of the news stories I read. It's too bad you feel you have to go on the defensive any time someone mentions regrettable incidents in US history. It wasn't our policy to down civilian aircraft; it was obviously a singular incident, the result of carelessness, and mentioning it hardly illustrates "anti-Americanism".
engineer
 
  2  
Thu 9 Jan, 2020 03:28 pm
Anti Iranian foreign leaders run for cover.

Quote:
For years, they urged America to take a harder line on Iran, dissed its decision to ink a nuclear deal with Tehran and cheered when a tough-talking Donald Trump won the presidency.

Now, America’s closest Middle East allies are practically ducking for cover.

Story Continued Below

In recent days, as the U.S. killed Iranian general Qassem Soleimani and Iran fired back with a missile barrage in Iraq, Gulf Arab states and Israel were expressing second thoughts about what they’d helped unleash.

Story Continued Below

Saudi officials called for “restraint” to avoid “aggravating the situation.” The United Arab Emirates stressed “the importance of dialogue and political solutions.” Even Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who publicly praised Trump’s decision to take out Soleimani, privately told aides that the killing “isn’t an Israeli event but an American event” according to Israeli media accounts. “We were not involved and should not be dragged into it.”

These U.S. partners’ caution is remarkable given their past calls for America to “cut off the head of the snake” in Tehran, including by attacking Iranian nuclear sites.

It reflects pointed Iranian threats — and the recognition that a war could upend their economies and threaten their governments. But it also reflects uncertainty about whether the famously fickle Trump will stand by them in the long run.

“It’s a reality check,” said Kristin Diwan, an analyst with the Arab Gulf States Institute in Washington.

An Arab official stressed that while Riyadh and others sought a hard U.S. line, they’ve never pushed for war. “We’re thinking about ourselves,” the official said. “Iran has been a destabilizing force in the Middle East, but they are still a neighbor we have to live with.”
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BillW
 
  2  
Thu 9 Jan, 2020 03:43 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

How is everyone taking the news that Iran shot down that Ukrainian airliner.

Putin was either in Tehran or had left for Istanbul earlier that day. Remember, Putin has already shot down one Ukrainian airliner full of international travelers, without explanation - the plot thickens!
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engineer
 
  3  
Thu 9 Jan, 2020 03:50 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

How is everyone taking the news that Iran shot down that Ukrainian airliner?

I think that a statement that significant would need to be backed by overwhelming evidence. I may have missed something but all I've seen so far is speculation by people who should know better.

Quote:
Video sent to CNN appears to show a missile fired into the Tehran sky early Wednesday morning and striking an object in the sky. Around that time, a Ukranian airliner crashed shortly after takeoff.

CNN cannot verify the authenticity of the video, but the buildings seen in it appears similar to ones that are in the Iranian capitol suburb of Parand.

If you can't verify the authenticity of the video, why are you posting it?
 

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