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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
blatham
 
  2  
Mon 6 Jan, 2020 04:49 pm
@revelette3,
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According to NYT, Trump became angry watching the protestors storm the US embassy in Iraq.

I'm not buying this reporting from the Times. The danger for reporters in repeating what their contacts in the administration tell them is that they are often going to get played. Here, the notion that Trump was simply worried about how he might be perceived (after Benghazi) or how he might divert attention from impeachment related coverage had to be quelled. In the place of that "narrative", another had to be crafted to make it seem as if he actually gave a damn about ambassadorial staffs anywhere (after ripping the foreign service staff in the Ukraine to shreds).

georgeob1
 
  2  
Mon 6 Jan, 2020 04:52 pm
@blatham,
Again you are (very selectively) projecting your own preconceptions on this pseudo-"analysis" of aspects of Trump's motivation, one involving material that you can't possibly know or confirm.
blatham
 
  3  
Mon 6 Jan, 2020 05:00 pm
@hightor,
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@Walter Hinteler,
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It is appalling that Trump thinks a legitimate military response is to commit war crimes by levelling Iran’s historic monuments.


Copying a page from the book of ISIS.

Odd. That's the first thing that came to my mind and you're the only one I've seen make that comparison.

And there's another as well - Rumsfeld and crowd allowing the looting of the Iraq National Museum in Baghdad - a store of some of the most significant historical artifacts in the world - even while:
1) the Bush admin had promised the archaeological community they would prevent any damage to the site and
2) while they opted instead to cordon off and protect the ******* Ministry of Oil facilities.
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blatham
 
  1  
Mon 6 Jan, 2020 05:06 pm
@hightor,
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I'll just point out, in case anyone doesn't know this, Wesley Clark was actually quoting someone else:
Thank you! There is data in there I had not been aware of previously.
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blatham
 
  2  
Mon 6 Jan, 2020 05:08 pm
@McGentrix,
I need to make an apology to you. Regarding the cadets who made the hand gesture, your take on it was correct and mine not.
blatham
 
  2  
Mon 6 Jan, 2020 05:16 pm
@georgeob1,
Well, george. Does his past history give you some reason to imagine he'd rather care for foreign embassies than degrade women who've criticized him or grab others by their pussies?
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Builder
 
  -1  
Mon 6 Jan, 2020 05:24 pm
History



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blatham
 
  2  
Mon 6 Jan, 2020 05:37 pm
Paul Waldman on the rise of gun rights extremists and what they might get up to given a Trump electoral loss.
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...In Trump’s formulation, it is simply impossible for Democrats to win fairly. He has warned that if he is turned out of office through impeachment, the result will be a violent revolt by his supporters — and he is most definitely not saying they’re the ones who would be in the wrong

That formulation is, of course, voiced not merely by Trump or his administration PR dipshits, it is a foundational message carried every day on FOX. There's no small irony in this constant projection of Trump as a poor beleaguered victim - perhaps the greatest victim in American history! - who is set upon on all sides. But propaganda needs are much more important than consistency of ideas and claims.

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Therefore, some will conclude, not only would a Democratic victory not need to be respected, it will be the final evidence that ordinary political action — voting, protesting, lobbying — is pointless. Furthermore, they will have convinced themselves, and Trump will have convinced them, that the results of a Democratic victory will be not merely four years of policies they don’t like, but an utter cataclysm. It will be the end of America as they know it, and for some the only appropriate response will be violence...
WP

And all that is a very real possibility.

As I've noted before, there is no such cadre of lefties armed to the teeth and quite likely willing to actually do what they threaten. We have books, aromatherapy and weed. And as Arendt has detailed (I've quote this earlier) it is such cadres that functioned in Europe to facilitate the rise of totalitarian regimes.
blatham
 
  2  
Mon 6 Jan, 2020 06:18 pm
Here's a huge surprise! TPM
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Senate GOP In No Hurry To Hear From Bolton For Impeachment Trial
The last thing you want in a trial is... evidence.

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Republican senators held back on Monday from saying whether they would be willing to subpoena former National Security Adviser John Bolton, instead alternately advocating for making that decision after the upcoming impeachment trial’s opening phases
wherein McConnell will declare that new testimony will not be heard nor brought in as evidence

Quote:
or accusing House Democrats of presenting an incomplete case against President Trump.
which of course was impossible as Trump would not allow Bolton (or others) to testify to the House investigation.

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As they returned to Washington Monday evening, many Republicans spoke to the press for the first time since Bolton announced Monday morning he’d be willing to testify if subpoenaed by the Senate. Multiple senators shifted to blame House Democrats for allegedly failing to include the former national security adviser’s testimony in their case.
Again, Bolton was not permitted to testify.

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“I don’t want to do their work,” Sen. Thom Tillis (R-NC) told reporters on Capitol Hill. “It’s not that I don’t want to hear form him, I want to hear from him when the House is willing to do their work.”
Again, the fuckhead is just lying through his teeth.

Edit: Ought to have added that Bolton's motives here are not at all clear. And that may well have consequences for how he might testify if he does.
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Mon 6 Jan, 2020 06:19 pm
@blatham,
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Paul Waldman on the rise of gun rights extremists and what they might get up to given a Trump electoral loss.

Waldman is fear mongering. Of course he will project on the Right, but I have yet to hear a serious threat, only Leftist propaganda.

Where would these hack work if the MSM was fair? Nowhere is the answer.
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Mon 6 Jan, 2020 06:41 pm
Blatham should concentrate on Canada's problems
It looks like you can be arrested for calling someone a terrorist.

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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Mon 6 Jan, 2020 07:07 pm
Now for our friends from the UK who insist on telling Americans who to elect and how to run this country.
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More than 2,000 foreign killers, paedophiles and rapists are waved into the UK without criminal records checks as police arrest TWO every day

After the cover-up of grooming gangs this still goes on? Please save your own country and for Gods sake protect your children.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7854471/Over-2-000-foreign-killers-paedophiles-rapists-waved-UK-without-criminal-records-checks.html?ito=amp_twitter_share-top
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Tue 7 Jan, 2020 02:20 am
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Iranians have reported being harassed by US border officials amid diplomatic tensions following last week's US assassination of Iranian General Qasem Soleimani.

Several travellers of Iranian heritage told BBC News they faced inappropriate questions about their views.

One group said they were stopped for hours at the Canadian-US border at the weekend.

Democratic US lawmakers condemned the alleged incidents.

Around 60 Iranians and Iranian-Americans said they were stopped for up to seven-and-a-half hours on Sunday while trying to cross into the US at the Peace Arch Border Crossing near Blaine, Washington.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (Cair), the largest Muslim advocacy group in the US, said the travellers had experienced "harassment" from US border officials.

Sepehr Ebrahimzadeh, a Seattle-based engineer, told BBC Persian he had waited about six hours to cross the border at Blaine, and was repeatedly questioned during that time.

A Canadian citizen with a US green card, he said he was trying to enter the US by land from British Columbia, Canada.

Mr Ebrahimzadeh said US Border Patrol guards had questioned him about his birthplace, his high school years in Iran, his own military service and his father's, and about other relatives and his employment history.

He said he saw other Iranians next to him who had to wait hours and were questioned about their social media accounts.

Cair said that some travellers were only allowed to proceed after 10 hours of questioning, while others were denied entry altogether.

Some, the advocacy group said, had their passports withheld while they were asked about their political views and allegiances.

University of Pennsylvania professor John Qazvinian said he was taken to a room and questioned "about the situation in Iran" upon landing at JFK's New York City airport on Sunday.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51011029
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hightor
 
  4  
Tue 7 Jan, 2020 04:33 am
Trump the Intimidator Fails Again

Because he’s just a bully with delusions of grandeur.

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International crises often lead, at least initially, to surging support for a country’s leadership. And that’s clearly happening now. Just weeks ago the nation’s leader faced public discontent so intense that his grip on power seemed at risk. Now the assassination of Qassim Suleimani has transformed the situation, generating a wave of patriotism that has greatly bolstered the people in charge.

Unfortunately, this patriotic rallying around the flag is happening not in America, where many are (with good reason) deeply suspicious of Donald Trump’s motives, but in Iran.

In other words, Trump’s latest attempt to bully another country has backfired — just like all his previous attempts.

From his first days in office, Trump has acted on the apparent belief that he could easily intimidate foreign governments — that they would quickly fold and allow themselves to be humiliated. That is, he imagined that he faced a world of Lindsey Grahams, willing to abandon all dignity at the first hint of a challenge.

But this strategy keeps failing; the regimes he threatens are strengthened rather than weakened, and Trump is the one who ends up making humiliating concessions.

Remember, for example, when Trump promised “fire and fury” unless North Korea halted its nuclear weapons program? He claimed triumph after a 2018 summit meeting with Kim Jong-un, North Korea’s leader. But Kim made no real concessions, and North Korea recently announced that it might resume tests of nuclear weapons and long-range missiles.

Or consider the trade war with China, which was supposed to bring the Chinese to their knees. A deal has supposedly been reached, although details remain scarce; what’s clear is that it falls far short of U.S. aims, and that Chinese officials are jubilant about their success in facing Trump down.

Why does Trump’s international strategy, which might be described as winning through intimidation, keep failing? And why does he keep pursuing it anyway?

One answer, I suspect, is that like all too many Americans, Trump has a hard time grasping the fact that other countries are real — that is, that we’re not the only country whose citizens would rather pay a heavy price, in money and even in blood, than make what they see as humiliating concessions.

Ask yourself, how would Americans have reacted if a foreign power had assassinated Dick Cheney, claiming that he had the blood of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis on his hands? Don’t answer that Suleimani was worse. That’s beside the point. The point is that we don’t accept the right of foreign governments to kill our officials. Why imagine that other countries are different?

Of course, we have many people in the diplomatic corps with a deep knowledge of other nations and their motivations, who understand the limits of intimidation. But anyone with that kind of understanding has been excluded from Trump’s inner circle.

Now, it’s true that for many years America did have a special leadership position, one that sometimes involved playing a role in reshaping other countries’ political systems. But here’s where Trump’s second error comes in: He has never shown any sign of understanding why America used to be special.

Part of the explanation, of course, was raw economic and military power: America used to be just much bigger than everyone else. That is, however, no longer true. For example, by some key measures China’s economy is significantly bigger than that of the United States.

Even more important, however, was the fact that America was something more than a big country throwing its weight around. We always stood for something larger.

That doesn’t mean that we were always a force for good; America did many terrible things during its reign as global hegemon. But we clearly stood for global rule of law, for a system that imposed common rules on everyone, ourselves included. The United States may have been the dominant partner in alliances like NATO and bodies like the World Trade Organization, but we always tried to behave as no more than first among equals.

Oh, and because we were committed to enforcing rules, we were also relatively trustworthy; an alliance with America was meaningful, because we weren’t the kind of country that would betray an ally for the sake of short-term political convenience.

Trump, however, has turned his back on everything that used to make America great. Under his leadership, we’ve become nothing more than a big, self-interested bully — a bully with delusions of grandeur, who isn’t nearly as tough as he thinks. We abruptly abandon allies like the Kurds; we honor war criminals; we slap punitive tariffs on friendly nations like Canada for no good reason. And, of course, after more than 15,000 lies, nothing our leader and his minions say can be trusted.

Trump officials seem taken aback by the uniformly negative consequences of the Suleimani killing: The Iranian regime is empowered, Iraq has turned hostile and nobody has stepped up in our support. But that’s what happens when you betray all your friends and squander all your credibility.

nyt/krugman
oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 7 Jan, 2020 06:29 am
@hightor,
There is nothing that progressives like more than the idea of America failing. They root for failure when it happens. When America doesn't fail, progressives delude themselves into thinking that America has failed, and then they cheer for the failure that they imagine is happening. And if progressives can find a way to cause America to fail, they will try to do so.

Luckily this article seems to be a case of progressive delusion. There doesn't seem to be any actual failure here. But it's a reminder that progressives are America's true enemy.
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engineer
 
  5  
Tue 7 Jan, 2020 07:12 am
@hightor,
I think the problem Trump has now is that he has no negotiators in his administration. The people normally in that role, Pompeo and Pence, are blow 'em up, no prisoners types. There is no one to send for discussions to de-escalate tensions in the Middle East.
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Brand X
 
  1  
Tue 7 Jan, 2020 07:58 am
Straight into the military complex. What a gig.

https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/aviation/441705-nikki-haley-joins-boeing-board
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blatham
 
  2  
Tue 7 Jan, 2020 08:56 am
Nikki Haley yesterday on FOX
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“The only ones mourning the loss of Soleimani are our Democrat leadership and Democrat Presidential candidates.”

In the modern GOP, to be successful, you clearly have to become a moral scumbag.
revelette3
 
  2  
Tue 7 Jan, 2020 09:04 am
@blatham,
Quote:
I'm not buying this reporting from the Times. The danger for reporters in repeating what their contacts in the administration tell them is that they are often going to get played. Here, the notion that Trump was simply worried about how he might be perceived (after Benghazi) or how he might divert attention from impeachment related coverage had to be quelled. In the place of that "narrative", another had to be crafted to make it seem as if he actually gave a damn about ambassadorial staffs anywhere (after ripping the foreign service staff in the Ukraine to shreds).


The reason I bought it because I didn't look at it as Trump being concerned for ambassadors, but just an affront or insult to him personally by Iraqis protesting against him. He probably saw the killing in the same line as killing Osama Bin Laden and would hailed as a hero. Rather than setting off a war in the whole middle east. It was telling that he was at his place in Florida in a meeting discussing his re-election campaign, when he got a call in the middle of it and came back as though he didn't just make a huge decision. (left a link on the nty time here a few days ago with the telling of that account in the piece)
revelette3
 
  2  
Tue 7 Jan, 2020 09:05 am
@blatham,
Clearly she is looking for a future presidential run when Trump is out of office. She is young enough to not feel in a hurry.
 

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