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coldjoint
 
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Wed 18 Dec, 2019 05:36 pm
@revelette3,
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The first Christians honored the day Jesus died and arose from the dead, but not his birth.

The Wise men honored his birth, and bought gifts. Someone took it from there. Or, it makes as much sense as what you said.
revelette3
 
  2  
Wed 18 Dec, 2019 05:46 pm
@coldjoint,
They were not the first Christians after the church started. We have examples of what do in the NT, they didn't honor Jesus's birth in Church. Christmas didn't start with the first churches. The Apostles were given the Holy Spirit, they began the first Churches, and they didn't celebrate Christmas every year. Instead they remembered Jesus's death and resurrection every first day of the week. Christmas as holiday, much like almost every other holiday was first a pagan holiday.

Twelve Christmas Traditions With Pagan Origins

georgeob1
 
  0  
Wed 18 Dec, 2019 05:51 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

You're taking that remark out of context. As was explained by one of the other members, the founders felt it was important to have a check on a potential rogue president who might be elected through dishonorable means and manage to be re-elected by employing those tactics again.


Can you provide a source for this from either the constitution itself or in ANY of the Federalist Papers. The record, as I know it, suggests that they believed impeachment was a necessary feature of the government structure they were creating, but feared the misuse of it and, for that reason created fairly high barriers for its execution, and required the involvement of the Senate & Supreme Court with a high majority requirement for approving it.

It's easy to claim knowledge of another persons intentions and motivation but very hard to really know. "Original Intent" is a much debated issue in the USSC, though mostly between those who advocate adhering to it and others who wish to see a more fluid and evolving constitution - a very dangerous thing in my view.

The interpretation you offered appears to have been contrived to match as far as possible the issues in the Democrat's current articles, but I know of no other sources for its justification.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Wed 18 Dec, 2019 06:11 pm
@revelette3,
Quote:
They were not the first Christians after the church started.

If you say so. All I can tell you is you are worried about the wrong religion.
Builder
 
  -1  
Wed 18 Dec, 2019 06:20 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
you are worried about the wrong religion.


I reckon they're all ridiculous relics of a middle-eastern past that are best kicked to curb, where they belong.
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BillW
 
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Wed 18 Dec, 2019 07:43 pm
pResident donald john tRump is Impeached and no one would define his character or render him innocent of his acts - how truly sad! What a scab.......
Builder
 
  -2  
Wed 18 Dec, 2019 07:47 pm
@BillW,
You're of the belief that accusations equal guilt, Bill?

That is truly sad.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Wed 18 Dec, 2019 07:53 pm
@Builder,
Quote:
You're of the belief that accusations equal guilt, Bill?

He is just a drive-by who knows very little. If it works for them it works for him, there is no thought put into it. IMO.
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glitterbag
 
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Wed 18 Dec, 2019 08:27 pm
Taking advantage of Trump's Bund "LOOK AT ME" rally in Michigan, Mike and Karen Pence were spotted carrying measuring tapes and fabric swatches while scrambling thru the corridors of the White House.
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coldjoint
 
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Wed 18 Dec, 2019 08:40 pm
https://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/afb121819dAPR20191218014526.jpg
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hightor
 
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Thu 19 Dec, 2019 04:11 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
The interpretation you offered appears to have been contrived to match as far as possible the issues in the Democrat's current articles, but I know of no other sources for its justification.

So using the leverage of the office to secure personal political favors from foreign governments is not an abuse of power? And this practice should become an option for future presidents to employ at their discretion and kept from public view?
hightor
 
  2  
Thu 19 Dec, 2019 04:19 am
@coldjoint,
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She said it cannot be left up to the voters, it needs no context.

Because impeachment is the job of Congress — do you really think we should just let presidents secure and keep power by any means and simply rely on the voters to decide whether they stay in office once every four years? The voters alone simply do not have the power to conduct the investigations needed to expose a powerful and corrupt administration — they shouldn't be expected to perform what is spelled out in the Constitution as a congressional duty.
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blatham
 
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Thu 19 Dec, 2019 06:34 am
@revelette3,
Quote:
The war on Christmas is just a bunch of baloney
Yes, it is. But it does garner a lot of money for the con men and women who NEED a private jet and a three acre mansion to spread the Lord's word more efficiently.

(PS... I understand that you're a person of faith and you ought to know I'm not an anti-faith absolutist. My personal stance here is a bit unusual, I suppose. You could plot my location on the faith is good/faith is bad scale by triangulating Chris Hitchens, Stephen Colbert and Mel Brooks).
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blatham
 
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Thu 19 Dec, 2019 07:09 am
@georgeob1,
hightor said
Quote:
As was explained by one of the other members, the founders felt it was important to have a check on a potential rogue president who might be elected through dishonorable means and manage to be re-elected by employing those tactics again.

you said
Quote:
The record, as I know it, suggests that they believed impeachment was a necessary feature of the government structure they were creating, but feared the misuse of it and, for that reason created fairly high barriers for its execution, and required the involvement of the Senate & Supreme Court with a high majority requirement for approving it.


There is no logical or legal contradiction here. The constitution provides for impeachment. The emoluments clause describes one type of act - receiving things of value from a foreign government - which is in itself grounds for impeachment though other grounds are noted as well.

From George Washington's Farewell Speech
Quote:
Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government.


Quote:
Alexander Hamilton warned specifically about a foreign power’s ability to cultivate a president or another top official. In Federalist Paper Number 68, published in 1788, Hamilton wrote:

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These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one quarter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistry of the Union?


The founders set up our system of checks and balances among three branches of government, in part, to restrain potential presidential corruption. They knew:

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… that if the checks and balances proved to be not strong enough to restrain the executive, or if the legislative and judicial branches, convinced by a crisis, yielded too much power to the executive—well, that way lay tyranny, because a president would then be able to do whatever he pleased, even if in the process he destroyed the republic.


One means of preventing this type of tyranny was through impeachment. As James Madison noted, there needed to be a way to remove the president other than through a subsequent election, or else “[h]e might pervert his administration into a scheme of [embezzlement] or oppression. He might betray his trust to foreign powers.”
More here

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izzythepush
 
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Thu 19 Dec, 2019 07:19 am
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:

Christmas as holiday, much like almost every other holiday was first a pagan holiday.


This is the god whose birthday falls on 25th December.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Invictus
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blatham
 
  2  
Thu 19 Dec, 2019 07:41 am
Read this folks. Very important.
Quote:
The Supreme Court’s Final Exam

How the justices rule on three cases involving Trump’s financial records will tell us all we need to know about the court.

When the first two of President Trump’s appeals seeking to shield his financial records from disclosure reached the Supreme Court last month, I predicted that the justices would take their institutional interests into account and turn the cases down.

I was wrong.

And on reflection, now that the court has agreed to hear those two appeals plus a third, I’m glad I was wrong. Here’s why: The eventual decisions, to come in the months after the as-yet unscheduled arguments in late March or early April, will give the country much-needed clarity about the Supreme Court. With the court in the full glare of an election-year spotlight, we will learn beyond any doubt what kind of Supreme Court we have — and whether its evolution into partnership with a president who acts as if he owns it is now complete.

Those of us who have been warning about this evolution are well aware that it’s a contested claim, subject to ready dismissal as overstatement or ideologically driven fearmongering. So I want to make the case here that for the justices to do anything other than affirm the three decisions at issue by two Courts of Appeals would be to vindicate both the warnings and the president’s disturbing assumption...
Linda Greenhouse NYT
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Olivier5
 
  1  
Thu 19 Dec, 2019 08:45 am
@revelette3,
Quote:
Christmas as holiday, much like almost every other holiday was first a pagan holiday.

That's why it's so great. Nothing more boring than religious purity.
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revelette3
 
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Thu 19 Dec, 2019 09:46 am


Do they pay these losers to laugh at the joke our President of the US implying John Dingell could be looking up from hell? He is such a rambling, crass, scum of a man. We are absolutes fools because of this man and the whole world knows it.
farmerman
 
  3  
Thu 19 Dec, 2019 10:05 am
@revelette3,
I wish the electoral college would gt rid of the "Winner take all" option for the majority of states. Only 3 state dont use it.
Thats why this douche bag won, ven though California is already disenfranchised.
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georgeob1
 
  0  
Thu 19 Dec, 2019 10:47 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
The interpretation you offered appears to have been contrived to match as far as possible the issues in the Democrat's current articles, but I know of no other sources for its justification.

So using the leverage of the office to secure personal political favors from foreign governments is not an abuse of power? And this practice should become an option for future presidents to employ at their discretion and kept from public view?

Nearly all important dialogues between heads of state involve some element of quid pro quo. This was certainly the norm through WWII and much of the Cold war, Indeed it's a fundamental element of international relations. Our President has a sworn duty to enforce our law: that duty exists whether there is any political benefit (or penalty) to the President for doing so.

There isn't much doubt that VP Biden's misuse of his Obama-assigned responsibilities for relations with both China and Ukraine, and his son's subsequent trip to China with him on Air Force 2 on a state visit - during which his son got more than a Billion dollars in capital from a government controlled Chinese company for his newly established Venture capital firm, and soon afterwards was appointed to a lucrative position on the Board of a Ukrainian Petroleum firm - both involved at very least the appearance of foreign bribery (and very likely the fact of it) for influencing our relations with them. Biden even took the step of threatening the removal of the (then minimal) military & financial aid we were providing Ukraine unless they immediately suspended a corruption investigation which included, among others, company that had hired his son, for a seat on their Board - for which he has zero qualifications or experience. Two years earlier Biden had also arranged for a very unusual appointment of his son to the Navy (starting at the rank of LT (i.e. O-3). Soon afterwards he was summarily discharged by the Navy for drug abuse. There ample evidence of a pattern of misuse of office by VP Biden here.

Much is sanctimoniously made by Democrats of the harm and risk imposed on our dear ally Ukraine by Trump's temporary withholding of aid to them. The fact is their Obama administration had earlier consistently refused to provide any equivalent military aid to Ukraine , presumably in keeping with Obama's whispered request to then President Medvedev that he tell Vladimir he (Obama) would have more flexibility after the election. And, as forecast, soon after the 2012 election he sent Sec. State Clinton to Russia with her silly "reset button" -- all this after ignoring Russia's seizure of Crimea and ongoing invasion of the Donbass region in eastern Ukraine. Well over a year ago Trump had reversed this policy with a decision to provide and finance weapons for Ukraine previously completely denied entirely by the Obama Administration. Very hard now to be moved by Democrat crocodile tears.
 

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