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blatham
 
  2  
Wed 11 Dec, 2019 07:16 am
@izzythepush,
But those two are related, don't you think?
blatham
 
  1  
Wed 11 Dec, 2019 07:34 am
You folks paying attention will have noted that a talking point promoted by Republicans and right wing media was that the impeachment proceedings were axiomatically illegitimate because no Republicans voted to begin impeachment proceedings. Thus, they complained, impeachment was a "partisan" endeavor and merely that. It's probably a workable propaganda line for most of the base who are really not very bright or knowledgeable.

But of course that axiom has no actual truth value if one side simply operates in unison regardless of all else. Jon Chait writes about this here
Trump’s Impeachment Is Partisan Because Republicans Changed Their Minds

Quote:
...When the Ukraine scandal burst into the news, a widespread consensus agreed that the allegations were deeply improper, and quite likely impeachable. “I think it would be wildly inappropriate for an American president to invite a foreign country’s leader to get engaged in an American presidential election. That strikes me as entirely inappropriate,” pronounced Republican Senator Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania. “If there is evidence of a quid pro quo, many think the dam will start to break on our side,” one Republican told the Washington Examiner in September. “Maybe if he withheld aid and there was a direct quid pro quo,” add another. Even a sycophant like Lindsey Graham conceded at the time that he might support impeachment “if you could show me that, you know, Trump actually was engaging in a quid pro quo, outside the phone call, that would be very disturbing.”...
blatham
 
  1  
Wed 11 Dec, 2019 08:00 am
Thinking a bit more about bi-partisanship...

Perhaps the two parties ought to try something new. Clearly we're in a bad place and we ought to open our minds to possibilities not previously entertained.

I suggest that Marianne Williamson get together with Donald Trump. As an opening gesture of good faith, she can wear orange-tinted makeup. Then, she could waft aroma therapy stuff throughout the WH and insert healing crystals up Trump's ass and leave them there for, say, a month.

For the good of America.
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neptuneblue
 
  2  
Wed 11 Dec, 2019 08:35 am
@blatham,
Republicans just quit before having to admit Trump is bat **** crazy.

CONGRESSMAN SAYS REPUBLICANS FIND 'COURAGE' TO CRITICIZE TRUMP ONLY AFTER THEY LEAVE OFFICE
BY JASON LEMON ON 12/10/19 AT 3:48 PM EST

Congressman Mike Quigley, a Democrat from Illinois, lamented the fact that it appears unlikely that any of his Republican colleagues will vote in favor of impeaching Donald Trump, arguing that GOP lawmakers find "courage" to criticize the president only after they leave office.

Democratic leaders in the House of Representatives formally announced Tuesday the articles of impeachment they will bring for a vote before the full legislative chamber. Despite witness testimony and evidence presented during the impeachment inquiry, Republican lawmakers appear unmoved in their opinions and continued to support the president. Asked about this fact during a Tuesday interview with CNN, Quigley suggested it has to do with GOP lawmakers' concerns over upcoming elections.

"They're currently filing for their primaries," the representative said. "They have decided to put party above the rule of law, party above what is right." Quigley added that he'd "like to think if the roles were reversed and a Democratic president had done this, we would do the right thing and move forward as we are now."

CNN Newsroom

@CNNnewsroom
"Director Comey said the Russians will be back. We are not ready. And the President of the United States is moving us in the opposite direction."@RepMikeQuigley tells @JimSciutto the US is not prepared to protect against election interference.https://cnn.it/36kTSJ7
11:43 AM - Dec 10, 2019

"There are some things that transcend party," the congressman said, voicing his hope that some Republicans would change their minds. "Unfortunately, all we've seen with my Republican colleagues is they get to the point of profiles in courage after they've left [office]." He noted that former Speaker of the House Paul Ryan, a Republican from Wisconsin, began criticizing the president after he retired from Congress.

"That's all too often the pattern," Quigley said.

Ryan chose not to seek re-election in 2018, which was seen by many as partly due to his opposition to Trump's leadership. He strongly criticized the president in American Carnage by Timothy Alberta of Politico, a book published this summer after Ryan left office.

"I'm telling you, he [Trump] didn't know anything about government. I wanted to scold him all the time," Ryan said. "Those of us around him really helped to stop him from making bad decisions. All the time."

Trump and his supporters have repeatedly dismissed the Democratic-led impeachment inquiry as purely "partisan." Although Democrats have raised what many—including former GOP lawmakers—consider to be legitimate concerns about the president's conduct, Republicans in Congress have remained loyal to the president. Additionally, polling throughout the inquiry has shown that Trump's support among GOP voters has not wavered, despite the revelations brought to light by witnesses and evidence.

While GOP representatives will not publicly voice support for the president's impeachment, Rep. Justin Amash of Michigan, who was elected as a Republican but officially declared himself to be an independent in July, has backed the Democratic-led effort. Amash has been described as one of the most conservative members of Congress and has repeatedly urged members of his former party to reconsider their support of the president.

"This should be unanimous, not partisan. Impeachment in the House is not a conviction. The trial happens in the Senate. All the House does is charge impeachable conduct. All we need is probable cause," the congressman tweeted on Friday. "That threshold is easily met with the existing evidence."
izzythepush
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2019 09:07 am
@blatham,
No, I don't.
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coldjoint
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2019 09:39 am
@neptuneblue,
Quote:
"Director Comey said the Russians will be back.

What is he directing? His Twitter account? No one in the administration gives a flying **** what Comey says. I am looking forward to his first prison interview.
MontereyJack
 
  1  
Wed 11 Dec, 2019 10:56 am
@coldjoint,
No one in the administration gives a flying **** about what's good of the country or for the truth.
RABEL222
 
  1  
Wed 11 Dec, 2019 11:04 am
@MontereyJack,
Nor it seems do the conservatives on this site.
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InfraBlue
 
  1  
Wed 11 Dec, 2019 11:12 am
@coluber2001,
mark
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revelette3
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2019 12:01 pm
Apparently the disagreement between Horowitz and Durham was Horowitz thought it was valid the Russian probe was opened it as a “full” counterintelligence inquiry, and Mr. Durham thought it should have been a “preliminary” one.

Apparently, the IG is confirmed but Mr Durham is just AG from Connecticut handpicked to run a counter Russian probe so to speak.

“It Is Not What the Department of Justice Does”: Barr and Durham Go Rogue on the Inspector General’s Report
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hightor
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2019 12:31 pm
Russian foreign minister contradicts White House account of election interference meeting

Sergey Lavrov: 'All speculations about our alleged interference in domestic processes in the United States are baseless'

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Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov has disputed an official White House account of his meeting with Donald Trump and secretary of state Mike Pompeo, who told reporters that the US warned Russia against interfering in US elections.

After a meeting on Tuesday, Mr Lavrov told reporters that they had "not discussed elections" — but he also contradicted himself by deferring to statements made by Mr Pompeo at an earlier joint press conference, where the secretary called interference "unacceptable".

The White House account of the meeting said that the men briefed the president "regarding the state of the bilateral relationship between the United States and Russia" during which Mr Trump "warned against any Russian attempts to interfere" in elections and "urged Russia to resolve the conflict with Ukraine", which has endured ongoing Russian-backed military attacks since 2014.

Before the meeting, Mr Lavrov appeared to clash with Mr Pompeo about Russia's role in an interference campaign, which intelligence officials have concluded was a "sweeping and systemic" social media attack intended to boost Mr Trump. Officials also have warned similar attacks are likely in 2020.

The Justice Department also indicted 12 Russian hackers in 2018 for breaching the Democratic National Committee and the campaign of former Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton.

Mr Pompeo said interference was "unacceptable" and that the Trump administration would "always work to protect the integrity" of US elections.

He said the US will "take action" if it determines foreign influence in the US electoral process.

Mr Pompeo said: "We don't think there's any mistake about what really transpired there ... I made our expectations clear."

But Mr Lavrov objected, saying that reports of interference are "baseless".

He added: "It's an open secret we have different views on different things ... We have highlighted once again that all speculations about our alleged interference in domestic processes in the United States are baseless ... There are no facts that would support that. We did not see these facts. No one has given us this proof because it simply does not exist."

He said he read special counsel Robert Mueller's report, following a two-year investigation with a detailed account of America's vulnerability to foreign influence.

Mr Lavrov said the report had "no proof of any collusion".

The meeting arrived on the heels of Democrats launching articles of impeachment against the president and a report from the Justice Department's inspector general debunking the administration's insistence that the investigation into Russia's role in the president's election was politically motivated.

independent
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Brand X
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2019 01:07 pm
Charlie Savage

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NEW: The IG report has primarily been interpreted through a Trump lens. But if we shelve politics for a moment and focus on surveillance policy & civil liberties issues, what it revealed about the FBI's national-security wiretapping powers is devastating.
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Brand X
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2019 01:27 pm
Michael Isikoff

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Horowitz: "We were surprised to learn" that confidential human sources were used against members of a major party presidential campaign without approval of DOJ lawyers.
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coldjoint
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2019 02:31 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
No one in the administration gives a flying **** about what's good of the country or for the truth.

That is a lie. The truth is coming out and that will be good for this country.
BillW
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2019 03:12 pm
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Builder
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2019 03:12 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
The truth is coming out and that will be good for this country.


Scares the crap out of the Hillary cheer squad here, not to mention the FBI, CIA, DOJ, hell, might as well toss in the last admin. Obama included.

All colluded against the fella Hillary wanted as her opposition.

Careful what you wish for.
Lash
 
  1  
Wed 11 Dec, 2019 03:23 pm
@izzythepush,
You pick stupid things to argue about. Bernie and Corbyn are linked by many articles—and by logic.

End of.
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Lash
 
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Wed 11 Dec, 2019 03:28 pm
@blatham,
Hilarious.

Russia.

So, you’ve already received the talking point that a Corbyn or Sanders win is due to Russian influence and the consortium of media, DNC, the deep state and billionaires will overturn their elections the way they’ve tried to overturn trump’s.

This is exactly what I suspected.

‘The People’ are being dismissed by The Elites.

Film on Thursday in the UK.

Lash
 
  1  
Wed 11 Dec, 2019 03:30 pm
@izzythepush,
I hope you’re saved from it. Corbyn is your only hope.

I hope I’m saved from it. Sanders is my only hope.

The power is against them.

Good luck.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Wed 11 Dec, 2019 03:39 pm
@Builder,
Quote:
Obama included.

Obama new this crap was going on during the "peaceful" transition of power. I see treason, but proving it is something else. I hope we can.
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