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revelette3
 
  2  
Sat 30 Nov, 2019 10:55 am
Trump Has Made Civil Servants Sexy

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So who has been your favorite witness so far in the House’s impeachment investigation?

Was it Bill Taylor, the top American diplomat in Ukraine, with his old-school steadiness and Walter Cronkite voice?

What about George Kent, the deputy assistant secretary of state, with that adorable bow tie?

Marie Yovanovitch, the ambassador to Ukraine driven from office by a smear campaign led by the president’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, was a study in fierce dignity, even as President Trump’s congressional lap dogs nipped at her heels.

And, my oh my, Fiona Hill. That accent! That manner! That drive to deflate batty conspiracy theories about Ukraine meddling in the 2016 election as the Putin-serving claptrap they are! Not long into her appearance before the House Intelligence Committee, the #FionaHillFanClub had sprung up on Twitter, and people were debating who should play her in the movie. (No contest: Kristin Scott Thomas.)

Among Mr. Trump’s defenders, the impeachment witnesses have been dismissed and derided as deep-state conspirators set on overthrowing a duly elected president. The term “unelected bureaucrat” has been bandied about with the sort of revulsion normally reserved for “child pornographer” or “drug mule.” Now and again, Mr. Trump could not resist openly attacking these current and former members of his administration even as they were testifying.

Rarely have career public servants inspired such passion.



I guess you can tell it's a holiday weekend in the news, at least here in the US.
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Sat 30 Nov, 2019 11:20 am
Trump's treatment of North Korea produces predictable results.

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North Korea has branded Japan's PM Shinzo Abe an "imbecile" and "political dwarf", accusing him of mislabelling its latest weapons test.

Mr Abe condemned the North for "repeated launches of ballistic missiles" after two projectiles were fired on Thursday.

But the North insisted it was testing a "super-large multiple-rocket launcher".

On Saturday, state media said Japan "may see what a real ballistic missile is in the not distant future".

North Korea is banned from firing ballistic missiles under UN Security Council resolutions.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-50613051
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Sat 30 Nov, 2019 11:20 am
@hightor,
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Nobody can remember when the N.Y. Post had any standards.

So, are you saying you can remember when the NYT did? I guess that means they are gone now if those standards are a memory.
hightor
 
  1  
Sat 30 Nov, 2019 12:19 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
So, are you saying you can remember when the NYT did?

No, I'm not saying anything of the kind. I'm not Michael Goodwin. Anyway, print journalism is not the same since the rise of electronic media. It's near-sighted to blame the N.Y. Times for the changes which have followed and have affected many other newspapers and opinion journals as well.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Sat 30 Nov, 2019 12:49 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
print journalism is not the same since the rise of electronic media.

Did electricity destroy objectivity and fairness, not to mention fact? Is bias based on current? No, the agenda is obvious and downright insulting.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sat 30 Nov, 2019 01:02 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
]Did electricity destroy objectivity and fairness, not to mention fact?
No, but certainly some jobs related to the steam powered rotary printing presses which were used before.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Sat 30 Nov, 2019 01:05 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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No, but certainly some jobs related to the steam powered rotary printing presses which were used before.

Trolling does not really fit a poster of your stature, does it? Shocked
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coluber2001
 
  1  
Sat 30 Nov, 2019 05:03 pm
'...before he was elected president, Trump repeatedly blasted 2016 Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton for the investigation into her use of a private e-mail server while Secretary of State. In fact, Trump said having a sitting president under criminal investigation would result in a “constitutional crisis.”'

Whew! Glad that never happened
coldjoint
 
  0  
Sat 30 Nov, 2019 05:07 pm
@coluber2001,
Quote:
under criminal investigation

Congress does not conduct criminal investigations, try again.
glitterbag
 
  1  
Sat 30 Nov, 2019 05:48 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
under criminal investigation

Congress does not conduct criminal investigations, try again.


Think a little harder
coldjoint
 
  0  
Sat 30 Nov, 2019 05:53 pm
@glitterbag,
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Think a little harder

Got an example?
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hightor
 
  2  
Sat 30 Nov, 2019 05:58 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:

Did electricity destroy objectivity and fairness, not to mention fact?

No. Electronic media changed the way people consume new$.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Sat 30 Nov, 2019 06:01 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
No. Electronic media changed the way people consume new$.

OK, but that has little to do with the NYT being a tabloid newspaper.
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McGentrix
 
  -1  
Sat 30 Nov, 2019 09:39 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

“Men do “ a lot of things, not always smart, or good, or healthy. We have laws we agree to live under so we are not just ruled by what men just naturally want to “do”.


You're a military man, right? If your commander asks you to do something, regardless of whether you feel it it is right or wrong (obviously not into the realms of breaking laws or killing kids and such nonsense) do you do it and move on or do you take it to the press and bitch and moan about it?
McGentrix
 
  0  
Sat 30 Nov, 2019 09:42 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Nobody can remember when the N.Y. Post had any standards.


You misspelled 'Times" as "Post".
glitterbag
 
  3  
Sun 1 Dec, 2019 02:13 am
@McGentrix,
Well you sure as hell don't go to the press....and you don't go to protest demonstrations in Uniform, you don't get to belong to a Union, and if you sign a petition at Woodstock declaring yourself to be against the war in Vietnam and expect to maintain a security clearance you will lose your Security Clearance. I remember vividly when the MP's were escorted to my office and 4 soldiers were told to stand up and follow the MP's. ((Days after Woodstock when they were still regaling us with glorious adventure and musical acts they experienced)). All 4 of the men had spent at least one tour in Viet Nam, and were either TA's or Vietnamese linguists in country)


Even civilian employees of DOD, do not have the freedom to protest against the government and expect not to be fired. That type of freedom of expression is only available to everyone else in the country.
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glitterbag
 
  2  
Sun 1 Dec, 2019 02:16 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

snood wrote:

“Men do “ a lot of things, not always smart, or good, or healthy. We have laws we agree to live under so we are not just ruled by what men just naturally want to “do”.


You're a military man, right? If your commander asks you to do something, regardless of whether you feel it it is right or wrong (obviously not into the realms of breaking laws or killing kids and such nonsense) do you do it and move on or do you take it to the press and bitch and moan about it?




Didn't you ever enlist in any branch of the Military??? Was the draft over before you were old enough??
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hightor
 
  2  
Sun 1 Dec, 2019 03:17 am
@McGentrix,
Cute but ineffective. The original article was a Post columnist decrying the supposed deterioration of standards at the Times so there would have been no reason for me to repeat the same point. The author openly claims to remember these now non-existent "standards". Pay attention.
Builder
 
  0  
Sun 1 Dec, 2019 03:28 am
@hightor,
Quote:
The author openly claims to remember these now non-existent "standards".


Standards don't go away. They're standards. And don't you forget it, kid.

Quote:
Pay attention.


Jam it up your kyhber pass, hippy.




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snood
 
  2  
Sun 1 Dec, 2019 03:37 am
About “just following orders”:

From the earliest days of their military training, right straight through until the day they are discharged, soldiers are taught that they must obey a lawful order.

When he stood accused of war crimes for slaughtering known civilians at My Lai during the Vietnam War, there was a reason why William Calley couldn’t hide behind the “just following orders” defense. That reason can be found in Rule 916 in the Manual for Courts Martial.

Quote:
It is a defense to any offense that the accused was acting pursuant to orders unless the accused knew the orders to be unlawful or a person of ordinary sense and understanding would have known the orders to be unlawful.



https://jsc.defense.gov/Portals/99/Documents/MCM2016.pdf?ver=2016-12-08-181411-957

Now, that’s saying a soldier doesn’t have to follow an unlawful order. Gallagher wasn’t even following any order when he performed his perverse photography with the corpse of the 14-year-old. He acted on his own, and he knew it to be one kind of action they were specifically directed not to do.

There is no legal, ethical or moral defense for what this man did.
And the only defense for 45 coming to his aid and defying the justice decided on by the military - is that he is doing it just because he can. That’s probably good enough for those so far up 45’s ass they can tell what he ate yesterday.

But it really shouldn’t be good enough for any of the rest of us.



 

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