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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
hightor
 
  1  
Tue 26 Nov, 2019 12:44 pm
Just because someone is an accused criminal, that doesn't automatically indicate that anything they say is a lie. As of right now it's safe to say that there are a lot more instances of Trump telling lies than there are of Parnas.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Tue 26 Nov, 2019 12:44 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
forensic dox dont rely on the credentials or veracity of the bearer

Yes, your point?
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Builder
 
  1  
Tue 26 Nov, 2019 01:26 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
Just because someone is an accused criminal, that doesn't automatically indicate that anything they say is a lie.


How'd that pan out for HRC?
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Tue 26 Nov, 2019 01:33 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
a lot more instances of Trump telling lies than there are of Parnas.

Well, we could spend three years and 35 million to investigate Parnas and probably find a lot more lies.
Builder
 
  0  
Tue 26 Nov, 2019 01:33 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
forensic dox dont rely on the credentials or veracity of the bearer


CSI A2K?

You're adding forensics to your JudgJudy portfolio now?
coldjoint
 
  0  
Tue 26 Nov, 2019 01:51 pm
@Builder,
Quote:
You're adding forensics to your JudgJudy portfolio now?

Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Builder
 
  -1  
Tue 26 Nov, 2019 01:53 pm
The Real Bombshell of the Impeachment Hearings
Ron Paul • November 25, 2019 • 600 Words •

The most shocking thing about the House impeachment hearings to this point is not a “smoking gun” witness providing irrefutable evidence of quid pro quo. It’s not that President Trump may or may not have asked the Ukrainians to look into business deals between then-Vice President Biden’s son and a Ukrainian oligarch.

The most shocking thing to come out of the hearings thus far is confirmation that no matter who is elected President of the United States, the permanent government will not allow a change in our aggressive interventionist foreign policy, particularly when it comes to Russia.

Even more shocking is that neither Republicans nor Democrats are bothered in the slightest!

Take Lt. Colonel Vindman, who earned high praise in the mainstream media. He did not come forth with first-hand evidence that President Trump had committed any “high crimes” or “misdemeanors.” He brought a complaint against the President because he was worried that Trump was shifting US policy away from providing offensive weapons to the Ukrainian government!

He didn’t think the US president had the right to suspend aid to Ukraine because he supported providing aid to Ukraine.

According to his testimony, Vindman’s was concerned over “influencers promoting a false narrative of Ukraine inconsistent with the consensus views of the interagency.”

“Consensus views of the interagency” is another word for “deep state.”

Vindman continued, “While my interagency colleagues and I were becoming increasingly optimistic on Ukraine’s prospects, this alternative narrative undermined US government efforts to expand cooperation with Ukraine.”

Let that sink in for a moment: Vindman did not witness any crimes, he just didn’t think the elected President of the United States had any right to change US policy toward Ukraine or Russia!

Likewise, his boss on the National Security Council Staff, Fiona Hill, sounded more like she had just stepped out of the 1950s with her heated Cold War rhetoric. Citing the controversial 2017 “Intelligence Community Assessment” put together by then-CIA director John Brennan’s “hand-picked” analysts, she asserted that, “President Putin and the Russian security services aim to counter US foreign policy objectives in Europe, including in Ukraine.”

And who gets to decide US foreign policy objectives in Europe? Not the US President, according to government bureaucrat Fiona Hill. In fact, Hill told Congress that, “If the President, or anyone else, impedes or subverts the national security of the United States in order to further domestic political or personal interests, that is more than worthy of your attention.”

Who was Fiona Hill’s boss? Former National Security Advisor John Bolton, who no doubt agreed that the president has no right to change US foreign policy. Bolton’s the one who “explained” that when Trump said US troops would come home it actually meant troops would stay put.

One by one, the parade of “witnesses” before House Intelligence Committee Chairman Schiff sang from the same songbook. As US Ambassador to the EU, Gordon Sondland put it, “in July and August 2019, we learned that the White House had also suspended security aid to Ukraine. I was adamantly opposed to any suspension of aid, as the Ukrainians needed those funds to fight against Russian aggression.”

Meanwhile, both Democrats and Republicans in large majority voted to continue spying on the rest of us by extending the unpatriotic Patriot Act. Authoritarianism is the real bipartisan philosophy in Washington.

source
hightor
 
  1  
Tue 26 Nov, 2019 02:01 pm
@Builder,
Looks like it panned out okay, as she's yet to be indicted for any crime.
hightor
 
  2  
Tue 26 Nov, 2019 02:06 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
Well, we could spend three years and 35 million to investigate Parnas and probably find a lot more lies.

Luckily we didn't have to go through that with Trump — a dictionary, a history book, and a record of his statements is all anyone would need.
coldjoint
 
  1  
Tue 26 Nov, 2019 02:12 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
Luckily we didn't have to go through that with Trump

We did go through that with Trump. Why deny it, because he is still the president? Use the other books if you wish, but that waste of time and money happened.
hightor
 
  1  
Tue 26 Nov, 2019 02:23 pm
@coldjoint,
You missed my point. Trump's lies are on record even without the Mueller investigation or the impeachment inquiry. That money was spent to make certain that no criminal acts occurred, not to identify Trump's many lies. You didn't need an investigation for that as they were reported in the press.
Builder
 
  0  
Tue 26 Nov, 2019 02:24 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
as she's yet to be indicted for any crime.


Yeah, the electoral college loved her work. Mmmmhmmmm.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Tue 26 Nov, 2019 02:27 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
You missed my point.

No I did not. Trump's lies depend on opinion of those calling them lies. One man's lie could be another man's truth.
hightor
 
  1  
Tue 26 Nov, 2019 02:33 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
One man's lie could be another man's truth.

Oh, you mean, like, "alternative facts"?

Fail.
hightor
 
  2  
Tue 26 Nov, 2019 02:36 pm
@Builder,
The electoral college? Do you even know what it does? (Hint — it's not a part of the justice system.)
Builder
 
  -1  
Tue 26 Nov, 2019 02:47 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
it's not a part of the justice system


They most certainly handed HRC her arse on a plate. Chuckles.

Call 'em what you like.

Great start to Bloomberg's pitch.

His own staff up in arms.

Quote:
A union representing Bloomberg journalists has demanded that the publication lift its ban on investigating Michael Bloomberg and other 2020 Democratic presidential candidates.

“We are extremely alarmed by management’s decision to silence the journalists we represent at Bloomberg Industry Group, as well as the unrepresented journalists at Bloomberg News,” wrote the union in a late Monday letter.

“We call on Bloomberg corporate management to rescind its policy and allow journalists throughout the Bloomberg family to do their jobs.”


source
coldjoint
 
  0  
Tue 26 Nov, 2019 03:14 pm
@hightor,

Quote:
Oh, you mean, like, "alternative facts"?

No, and that goes both ways, which you have to know.
InfraBlue
 
  1  
Tue 26 Nov, 2019 05:04 pm
@Builder,
Ron Paul wrote:

The Real Bombshell of the Impeachment Hearings
Ron Paul • November 25, 2019 • 600 Words •

The most shocking thing about the House impeachment hearings to this point is not a “smoking gun” witness providing irrefutable evidence of quid pro quo. It’s not that President Trump may or may not have asked the Ukrainians to look into business deals between then-Vice President Biden’s son and a Ukrainian oligarch.

The most shocking thing to come out of the hearings thus far is confirmation that no matter who is elected President of the United States, the permanent government will not allow a change in our aggressive interventionist foreign policy, particularly when it comes to Russia.

Even more shocking is that neither Republicans nor Democrats are bothered in the slightest!

Most Democrats and even more Republicans are not the isolationists that Ron Paul is.

Paul wrote:
Take Lt. Colonel Vindman, who earned high praise in the mainstream media. He did not come forth with first-hand evidence that President Trump had committed any “high crimes” or “misdemeanors.” He brought a complaint against the President because he was worried that Trump was shifting US policy away from providing offensive weapons to the Ukrainian government!

He didn’t think the US president had the right to suspend aid to Ukraine because he supported providing aid to Ukraine.

According to his testimony, Vindman’s was concerned over “influencers promoting a false narrative of Ukraine inconsistent with the consensus views of the interagency.”

“Consensus views of the interagency” is another word for “deep state.”

The "deep state" that Paul refers to here is decades of anti Russian policy that began sometime after the fall of the Soviet Union and aims to curtail their influence in favor of US influence throughout the world.

Trumpite Republican lickspittals have all of a sudden become isolationists and Russia appeasers.

Paul wrote:
Vindman continued, “While my interagency colleagues and I were becoming increasingly optimistic on Ukraine’s prospects, this alternative narrative undermined US government efforts to expand cooperation with Ukraine.”

Let that sink in for a moment: Vindman did not witness any crimes, he just didn’t think the elected President of the United States had any right to change US policy toward Ukraine or Russia!

Trumpite lickspittles would think undermining US interests in Ukraine and the rest of the world in favor of Russia is a good thing. Whether they would have witnessed a crime or not is irrelevant to this position.

Paul wrote:
Likewise, his boss on the National Security Council Staff, Fiona Hill, sounded more like she had just stepped out of the 1950s with her heated Cold War rhetoric. Citing the controversial 2017 “Intelligence Community Assessment” put together by then-CIA director John Brennan’s “hand-picked” analysts, she asserted that, “President Putin and the Russian security services aim to counter US foreign policy objectives in Europe, including in Ukraine.”

And who gets to decide US foreign policy objectives in Europe? Not the US President, according to government bureaucrat Fiona Hill. In fact, Hill told Congress that, “If the President, or anyone else, impedes or subverts the national security of the United States in order to further domestic political or personal interests, that is more than worthy of your attention.”

That's a very good position. The President should be held accountable for impeding or subverting the national security of the US in order to further domestic political or personal interests. Certainly, these are high crimes and misdemeanors. Trumpite lickspittles, of course, opine otherwise.

Paul wrote:
Who was Fiona Hill’s boss? Former National Security Advisor John Bolton, who no doubt agreed that the president has no right to change US foreign policy. Bolton’s the one who “explained” that when Trump said US troops would come home it actually meant troops would stay put.

They have stayed put. They've even resumed anti ISIS operations there despite Trump's desires to secure only the oil and screw the Kurds.

Paul wrote:
One by one, the parade of “witnesses” before House Intelligence Committee Chairman Schiff sang from the same songbook. As US Ambassador to the EU, Gordon Sondland put it, “in July and August 2019, we learned that the White House had also suspended security aid to Ukraine. I was adamantly opposed to any suspension of aid, as the Ukrainians needed those funds to fight against Russian aggression.”

In being a Trumpian lickspittal, Paul is selling his soul to the devil, as it were, because of their shared ends, US isolationism. What Paul doesn't get is that no nation is an island, much of the US' power and strength is derived from its allegances and influence, something that Trump is giving away to the Russians, among other countries.

Paul wrote:
Meanwhile, both Democrats and Republicans in large majority voted to continue spying on the rest of us by extending the unpatriotic Patriot Act. Authoritarianism is the real bipartisan philosophy in Washington.

Yeah, the Patrion Act sucks, especially in the hands of a psychopath like Trump.
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coldjoint
 
  1  
Tue 26 Nov, 2019 05:11 pm
Obama was the president that spied on citizens, journalists, and politicians. Trump would be hard pressed to do any worse.
farmerman
 
  1  
Tue 26 Nov, 2019 05:24 pm
@Builder,
Yeh, If youve read some of my past posts , I am. 40 years experience as in which Ive served as a forensic geo and geochem(not expert witness my stuff was criminalistics). passed voire dire in every case involving judge panels or juries. Ive quit the Academy cause its really grueling work and I wanted to retire. My last case was in 2010. Rules of evidence haven't changed substantively in 9 years.

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