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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
coldjoint
 
  0  
Wed 20 Nov, 2019 01:06 pm
@Brand X,
Quote:
Get ready for it to drag on through March 2020.

Trump approval rating should be close to 70% by then. Shocked
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Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Wed 20 Nov, 2019 01:08 pm
https://i.imgur.com/Td3rBuq.jpg
President Trump holds his notes as he speaks to reporters before boarding Marine One as he departs from the South Lawn at the White House on Wednesday in Washington. (Photo via WP)
engineer
 
  3  
Wed 20 Nov, 2019 01:13 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
This is mildly humorous, but Trump, like many his age, needs glasses to read. There are a few pictures of him wearing them, but he doesn't like to wear them (and has criticized opponents who use glasses). This has led to some interesting gaffes like seeing El Paso and Dayton on the teleprompter and saying Toledo but honestly I get this one.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Wed 20 Nov, 2019 01:27 pm
https://media1.tenor.com/images/4c928c7178a59cab98219ea7fc99a2ea/tenor.gif?itemid=7877566
coldjoint
 
  0  
Wed 20 Nov, 2019 01:29 pm
@izzythepush,
Like the way your government **** on your children allowing rapes to go unpunished? That kind of poo?
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coldjoint
 
  0  
Wed 20 Nov, 2019 01:31 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
This is one of the few times you have posted the whole truth. That note is the truth. Think he used the same Sharpie?
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 20 Nov, 2019 01:35 pm
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:
blatham wrote:
America is in desperate need of senior Republicans who retain some shred of ethics, self-dignity and love of country to begin stepping forward.

You said it, it would work to bring this country together in the long run.

Helping the Democrats lynch people who disagree with them is not going to bring the country together.

Republicans who have ethics and love their country will start taking steps to outlaw the Democratic Party.
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hightor
 
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Wed 20 Nov, 2019 01:54 pm
@engineer,
Quote:
This is mildly humorous, but Trump, like many his age, needs glasses to read.

You're very charitable, engineer!

You remember all the crap he gave Obama about using a teleprompter, though — and here the guy can't manage to memorize four lines of text, most of which he's repeated many times before. I'm surprised he didn't add, "The call was perfect."

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blatham
 
  2  
Wed 20 Nov, 2019 01:59 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
Ken Starr on the Sondland testimony: 'It's over'
Wow.
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revelette3
 
  2  
Wed 20 Nov, 2019 02:01 pm
I think the following is what Blatham calls "Voices from the Right" and no, I don't think a "NeverTrumper." Not when called the investigation into the Russian interference and Trump's connection to it a witchhunt.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/11/19/donald-trump-ukraine-investigation-impeachment-republicans-congress-biden-column/4229871002/

Quote:
Ukraine scandal: Trump wants Republicans to defend him. But don't defend the indefensible.

Yes, Democrats are out to get Trump. But that doesn't excuse the fact that what the president did in Ukraine was wrong.

I understand why supporters of Donald Trump are resistant to the conclusion that he abused his power by asking Ukraine to investigate a political rival.

Democrats and the traditional media have been out to get Trump from before he was inaugurated.

The Russia collusion investigation was a witch hunt. There is reason to believe that it had partisan and improper origins.
After the collusion story proved a bust, there was an attempt to blow some life into the obstruction of justice charge. But that was a lead balloon with the American people.

The Ukraine accusation is understandably seen by Trump supporters as just the latest attempt by the same folks to do Trump in. Particularly with the way House Democrats initially went about launching and conducting impeachment hearings.

But the Ukraine deal is different, something even Trump supporters should acknowledge.

Trump wanted to root out corruption?

Trump has said that he wants Republicans to defend his actions in Ukraine on the merits, not just criticize the Democratic impeachment proceedings on process grounds. Here is a good faith effort to evaluate the defenses of Trump’s behavior that are being made, and explain why they are wanting.

According to the defense, as president, Trump has a legitimate interest in seeing corruption investigated. Being a rival candidate for the presidency doesn’t provide immunity from such an investigation.

So, even if there was a quid pro quo, as certainly U.S. diplomats interacting with Ukraine believed and as was communicated to Ukrainian officials, it doesn’t matter. Asking for such an investigation into the Bidens was a legitimate exercise of Trump’s authority as president.

Now, what the Bidens did was smarmy. In that part of the world, Hunter Biden being on the board of a Ukrainian company conveyed influence with the Obama administration. That could affect events, including the course of investigations, without either Biden doing anything overtly.

Why investigating the Bidens was wrong

But the president of the United States doesn’t have a general writ to pursue corruption everywhere on the globe. And for there to be a legitimate presidential interest in a specific investigation, corruption cannot be a general description but a specific illegal act with a tie to the United States.

If Joe Biden used his office as vice president to enrich or protect his son or himself, that would violate U.S. law. And it would be appropriate, if unusual, for a president to ask a foreign leader to cooperate with an investigation into a violation of U.S. law.

But there is no such U.S. investigation into the Bidens, and based on what is currently known, no basis for one to be launched. That also would be a witch hunt.

Rather than a legitimate request for cooperation with an official investigation by the U.S. government, Trump was asking a foreign country to launch an investigation to damage Biden as a candidate in 2020.

That this was a request to benefit Trump personally and politically, rather than pursue a legitimate interest of the government of the United States, is cinched by Trump asking for coordination with Rudy Giuliani, his personal attorney. Giuliani represents Trump the candidate, not Trump the president.

The founders were clear on this one

The defense of this takes the following construct: Trump is president of the United States. He can act through whomever he wants. If he decides to act through Giuliani, that’s his prerogative. There’s nothing wrong with that.
That, however, isn’t the constitutional order vouchsafed us by the founders. They didn’t give the president the authority to act through whomever he wants.

Article II gives the president the authority to nominate those exercising government power, subject to the approval of the Senate. It gives Congress the authority to decide which “inferior officers” the president can appoint without the approval of the Senate.

In Federalist No. 76, Alexander Hamilton emphasizes that the president has the authority to nominate, but not appoint. He says that this check on the president’s ability to staff the government “will be a considerable and salutary restraint.”

nd he offers an example directly on point: “It will readily be comprehended that a man who had himself the sole disposition of offices would be governed much more by his private inclinations and interests than when he was bound to submit the propriety of his choice to the discussion and determination of a different and independent body.”

One cannot be a self-proclaimed “constitutionalist” and assert that there was nothing wrong with the way Trump deployed Giuliani in this matter.
I understand that, to many Trump supporters, he is hated by all the right people. However, believing that, and even acting on it politically, shouldn’t include defending the indefensible.

Robert Robb is a columnist for The Arizona Republic where this column first appeared.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/robertrobb/2019/11/17/trump-ukraine-call-improper-republicans-tough-defend/4179747002/
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blatham
 
  2  
Wed 20 Nov, 2019 02:02 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
comically large notes
Those are strong notes. Very strong. Probably the strongest notes any US President has ever used.
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revelette3
 
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Wed 20 Nov, 2019 02:11 pm
To put a downer on yesterday's and today's hopes of finally getting the crook out of office; this from someone who covered Watergate.

I was a reporter during Watergate. Democrats, don't celebrate impeachment hearings yet.
blatham
 
  3  
Wed 20 Nov, 2019 02:22 pm
I'm into a big painting job so have caught only an hour or so of the hearings today. The most comical moment was when a Republican rep noted that the Washington Post had given 3 Pinocchios to Schiff's statement that the whistle-blower's identity was protected by statute (it's a bit complicated)

A Dem member then pointed out to the Republican that as the President frequently gains five Pinocchios, he probably doesn't want to go there. Big laugh from attendees.

But ya gotta love the GOP doofus relying on the WP.
RABEL222
 
  4  
Wed 20 Nov, 2019 02:26 pm
@revelette3,
The testomony isent over. He will be impeached. The senate won't convict him because it would give the republicans a black eye. But the middle of the road voters are paying attention. I don't think impeachment will hurt the democrats. After all they have proof of Trump asking a foreign power for help from his own mouth. The voters only have to decide whether they want Russia to help elect our president or vote against a president who does what Putin and any other dictator on earth wants him to do no matter how much damage it does to the u s.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Wed 20 Nov, 2019 02:29 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
But ya gotta love the GOP doofus relying on the WP.

That is you saying the WP is biased. Got to agree. The NYT is also incredibly biased too, to the point of no credibility.
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Builder
 
  0  
Wed 20 Nov, 2019 02:33 pm
Meanwhile, back at the ranch.....


Quote:
This summer, ex-FBI agent Peter Strzok filed a lawsuit suggesting his firing was political retribution for having run the bureau’s counterintelligence investigation into the now debunked allegations that Donald Trump and Russia colluded to hijack the 2016 election.

The Justice Department has responded to the lawsuit in a big way, releasing to the court presiding over the civil case Strzok’s official misconduct file that concluded the former FBI supervisor exhibited “a gross lack of professionalism and exceptionally poor judgment.”

It shows the FBI substantiated that Strzok had engaged in dereliction of duty, had committed misconduct through the expression of anti-Trump bias on his official FBI phone and committed security violations by performing official government work on personal email.

The records show one official recommended termination, and another recommended suspension for 60 days without pay. The bureau leadership chose the more severe of the two penalties, terminating Strzok last year.

The dereliction of duty citation involved Strzok’s failure, according to the FBI, to quickly follow up in fall 2016 after the belated discovery of a trove of Hillary Clinton emails on a laptop belonging to former Congressman Anthony Weiner and his wife, Clinton aide Huma Abedin.


Still plenty of unfinished business to resolve, behind the scenes.

source
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blatham
 
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Wed 20 Nov, 2019 02:42 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
But the middle of the road voters are paying attention.
Nunes has insisted twice that ratings are crashing. The first time he said it was day two which had the same ratings as day one. So, he's lying. Indeed, there are more people tuning in to the investigations than tune in to any TV political news show and it's not close. But what an odd lie to tell and repeat. What's does he think is to be gained? Who is he talking to?

I think the notion is to forward a particular idea - that Americans don't care about this investigation and don't deem it valid or valuable. Of course, that's the main right wing theme.

The rationale, I think, is to attempt to forge consensus. Because consensus among as many citizens as possible is needed in any political endeavor. That's why talking points are utilized. It's why political agents will work to drive the same message. It's why particular ideas/messages are repeated and repeated and repeated.

And underlying this rationale is an assumption (a good one) that many people just follow the crowd.

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Real Music
 
  2  
Wed 20 Nov, 2019 02:44 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
The testomony isent over. He will be impeached.
AGREED

Quote:
The senate won't convict him because it would give the republicans a black eye.
AGREED

Quote:
But the middle of the road voters are paying attention.
AGREED



Quote:
I don't think impeachment will hurt the democrats.

1. I agree that impeaching Trump won't hurt the democrats.

2. It actually may end up helping the democrats.

3. To ensure that it doesn't hurt the democrats, the democrats need to keep it simple, narrow, and easy to understand for the average person.

4. It is important that the democrats don't over complicate the impeachment charges.

5. Keep it simple.

6. Right now, the democrats are doing a good job of keeping the potential impeachment charges simple and easy to understand.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Wed 20 Nov, 2019 02:46 pm
@blatham,
https://i.imgur.com/lcUC8fq.jpg
Fox News put forth the limpest text possible, CNN (and others) quote Sondland.
Builder
 
  -1  
Wed 20 Nov, 2019 02:49 pm
Quote:
Wednesday, November 20, 2019

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 48% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Fifty-one percent (51%) disapprove.


Not much change, overall.

source
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