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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
coldjoint
 
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Mon 18 Nov, 2019 11:11 am
@Builder,
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I've never seen a speed demon who can put on weight.

True, and his teeth look pretty good too.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Mon 18 Nov, 2019 11:13 am
@hightor,
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Don't miss this one, folks:

By all means, Vanity Fair has been on the cutting edge of politics since?
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blatham
 
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Mon 18 Nov, 2019 11:22 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Yes. "Strongly considering it". Like releasing his tax returns. The "in writing" proviso is the big dodge, of course. The responses would be such as... "I do not, to the best of my recollection, remember those purported conversations about Ukraine. I've done so much winning for American during this period while under relentless attack from the Do Nothing Democrats and their Deep State agents that fill this utterly corrupt Clinton/Obama government and the Fake News Media. And now you're asking me, perhaps the Greatest President Ever to Waste More Time!"

But he has to say something in response to the Dems so publicly inviting him to sit and testify.
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blatham
 
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Mon 18 Nov, 2019 11:29 am
@hightor,
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Trump could become the hero of Hong Kong
I meant to mention this aspect to finn. If there is any component of American state/culture which holds the responsibility for addressing the HK situation, it is the sitting government.

Few Republicans have said anything about this situation and where they've done so, it is completely toothless. So far as I know, the following is all Trump has said or done
Quote:
Trump has generally avoided criticizing the Chinese government over its handling of protests in Hong Kong. Last month, he called the situation in Hong Kong "tough" and "tricky." Congressional Republicans, on the other hand, have urged actions in support of the protestors.

Speaking at the United Nations at the end of April, Trump briefly praised the protestors and said, "we're also carefully monitoring the situation in Hong Kong."

“The world fully expects that the Chinese government will honor its binding treaty made with the British and registered with the United Nations in which China commits to protect Hong Kong's freedom, legal system and democratic ways of life,” Trump said.
USAToday
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blatham
 
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Mon 18 Nov, 2019 11:30 am
@edgarblythe,
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He's reminding her who pays her extracurricular salary

You don't have to behave like a dick, edgar.
MontereyJack
 
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Mon 18 Nov, 2019 12:03 pm
@coldjoint,
He was apparently born with it. It certainly dates back to the central park 5 thd racist housing policies ANd the obama birtherist conspiracy theories.
blatham
 
  4  
Mon 18 Nov, 2019 12:06 pm
@blatham,
Let me add to that last.

The amount of vitriol and character assassination of all the Dem candidates and the Dem party and prior Dem presidents coming from you and Lash - almost all of which emerge from the online social media worlds you inhabit - is just about as common and pervasive as what comes out of the right wing media operations. That alone ought to clue you in.

But aside from that, I'm completely flummoxed that you guys apparently have no understanding that for your wishes of a "revolution" to come to pass, you will need broad and massive support from Dems across the board including all those who support (or even love) other candidates, Dem politicians and Dem leaders.

Every time you pass along **** like this, you damage your own stated goals. Such bad behaviors on your part (meaning Sanders' supporters) you risk the probability that for many potential dem voters, this behavior will reflect directly onto Sanders. If his supporters continue to be dicks, many potential supporters will inevitably think Sanders too is a dick.

It's dumb. Really, really dumb. And it is exactly what the bad faith players want to see going on. Hate Dems or hate Sanders.

Please wise up.

engineer
 
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Mon 18 Nov, 2019 12:56 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Such bad behaviors on your part (meaning Sanders' supporters) you risk the probability that for many potential dem voters, this behavior will reflect directly onto Sanders.

This is directly evident in the polls. Sanders has an extremely loyal following, but he also has a larger group of people who say they will not ever vote for him in a Democratic primary. He's either your first choice or your last choice. That is not going to win him the primary.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 18 Nov, 2019 01:20 pm
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is expected to announce on Monday the United States is softening its position on Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank, a Trump administration official said on Monday.

Pompeo is expected to say the administration of President Donald Trump will no longer abide by a 1978 State Department legal opinion that the settlements were “inconsistent with international law,” according to the official. The move is likely to be welcomed by right-wing Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and anger the Palestinians, as well as other countries seeking to resolve the Middle East conflict.
Reuters
blatham
 
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Mon 18 Nov, 2019 01:32 pm
As regards the earliest Zelensky phone call that the WH released purporting to demonstrate that Trump had not pressed the Ukraine to dig up dirt on the Bidens and therefore, as their "reasoning" went, Trump must be innocent of trying to do something like that.
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Just as importantly, the Post reported that the summary of the call that the White House released in April was drafted before the two leaders spoke, and it reflected what White House officials expected Trump to say.

And that, as it turns out, is a highly relevant detail.

Politico quoted a source saying, “On April 21, 2019, President Trump did not raise the issue of corruption during the call with President-elect Zelensky, despite the [National Security Council’s] recommendation that he do so and specific talking points included in briefing materials addressing that important topic.”

In other words, White House officials urged Trump ahead of the phone meeting to bring up concerns about Ukrainian corruption, but the Republican didn’t bother. That’s significant, of course, because for the last few months, the official line from the president and his allies was that he held up military aid for Ukraine out of a deep and abiding concern about corruption – a word Trump has occasionally used with obsessive repetition since the scandal came to the fore.

For those following this story, the idea that Trump actually cared about corruption in Ukraine has always been impossible to take seriously, but thanks to the document the White House shared with the public on Friday morning, it’s even more farcical now.
Benen
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edgarblythe
 
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Mon 18 Nov, 2019 01:37 pm
@blatham,
Neither do you. Nobody has to. I guess it's hardwired into the species.
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edgarblythe
 
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Mon 18 Nov, 2019 01:43 pm
I am no Dale Carnegie aficionado. Not here to win friends. Just to tell the truth.
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blatham
 
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Mon 18 Nov, 2019 01:54 pm
@engineer,
It is an unfortunate fact of history that the US, more than any other western nation I can think of, has been steeped for over a half century in messaging and beliefs that socialism is evil. As we see in the right wing contingent here, this is understood as a black/white matter, self-evidently true.

That is a headwind that anyone like Warren or Sanders face. It's a headwind that Clinton and Obama faced in setting up any sort of broad medical insurance program for citizens. And that's just one issue of many that inhibits rational discourse along these lines and which have, understandably I think, frustrated people on the left including some to the point of wishing for a sort of highly angry radical response.

And, as you point out, this has consequences for a significant portion of the electorate who are wary of leftist "extremism". As hightor keeps observing, this is a real thing.

Other western nations aren't like this. Sanders would be a far more acceptable candidate here in Canada, for example.

And I'm arguing that these conditions make the behavior of many apparent followers more damaging than would perhaps otherwise be the case. They need friends, not enemies.
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blatham
 
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Mon 18 Nov, 2019 01:58 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
For **** sake.

Israel is now paralyzed politically. They cannot form a government not least because Netanyahu is seeking to avoid indictment for corruption. But the reasons are much deeper than that, of course.

Israel is on the verge of becoming a failed state. And we ought to add that there's no question that entities there will again be working diligently to seek another Trump term.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 18 Nov, 2019 02:05 pm
@blatham,
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The US has shifted its position on Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank, no longer viewing them as inconsistent with international law.

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the status of the West Bank was for Israelis and Palestinians to negotiate.

Israel immediately welcomed the move - a reversal of the US position under Mr Trump's predecessor Barack Obama.
[...]
Israel's Public Security and Strategic Affairs Minister, Gilad Erdan, tweeted: "I applaud the courageous decision of the American administration."
BBC
coldjoint
 
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Mon 18 Nov, 2019 02:33 pm
@MontereyJack,
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It certainly dates back to the central park 5 thd racist housing policies ANd the obama birtherist conspiracy theories.


None of those were due to racism. He felt the Central Park people were guilty. Their color did not matter. The housing policy was a business decision that involved other peoples racism not his. Obama raised a lot of questions, even a Harvard brochure said he was a student from Kenya. Race had no part in it. He just never liked Obama. You can dislike people of any color.
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coldjoint
 
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Mon 18 Nov, 2019 02:34 pm
@blatham,
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You don't have to behave like a dick, edgar.

Cheer up, he is not a liar.
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blatham
 
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Mon 18 Nov, 2019 03:21 pm
This is unpossible! It goes totally against the character of the Trump administration and the modern GOP. Totally.
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A CBS News investigation has uncovered a possible pay-for-play scheme involving the Republican National Committee and President Donald Trump's nominee for ambassador to the Bahamas. Emails obtained by CBS News show the nominee, San Diego billionaire Doug Manchester, was asked by the RNC to donate half a million dollars as his confirmation in the Senate hung in the balance, chief investigative correspondent Jim Axelrod reports.
Link
blatham
 
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Mon 18 Nov, 2019 03:25 pm
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Elise Stefanik is suddenly famous. And she may come to regret it.

The third-term congresswoman from upstate New York used to be known — to those who knew her at all — as one of the most moderate Republicans in the House. But she thrust herself to the front of the impeachment inquiry, making her one of President Trump’s chief defenders.

Stefanik is now being lauded in conservative circles. But her new prominence may already be producing a backlash that could complicate her reelection campaign in 2020. Indeed, Stefanik’s story is a microcosm of a dynamic that has played out around the country over the past couple of years, leading to one Republican defeat after another.

...[Her Dem opponent] Cobb, who had raised $656,000 for her campaign in all of 2019 to this point, brought in over $1 million in contributions just this weekend. On Thursday, the day before the Yovanovitch hearing, Cobb had fewer than 5,000 followers on Twitter; as of this writing, she is approaching 250,000 (more than Stefanik’s 213,000).
Paul Waldman
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Mon 18 Nov, 2019 03:27 pm
@blatham,
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A CBS News investigation has uncovered a possible pay-for-play scheme

Possible? This is the network that stopped Sharyl Atkinson from reporting on "Fast and Furious" They are now engaged in burying the Epstein story along with ABC and actively seeking the whistle blower that outed ABC.

Their excuse was not enough evidence, what happened to that? Do not trust the MSM they have an agenda. And that agenda is not good for Americans.
 

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