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revelette3
 
  3  
Wed 6 Nov, 2019 10:23 am
@BillW,
True, but motivating people to vote has been the thing as well. We've got to strike a balance between all the things going on right now and find what works in each state.
blatham
 
  2  
Wed 6 Nov, 2019 11:19 am
Free Enterprise notes from all over:
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The Intercept
@theintercept
PG&E’s aging transmission lines have been blamed for the most destructive wildfires in California history. Following bankruptcy, the utility giant still managed to spend millions to lobby policymakers and control the fallout.

https://theintercept.com/2019/11/04/pge-bailout-bankruptcy-lobbying/
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Baldimo
 
  0  
Wed 6 Nov, 2019 12:40 pm
@MontereyJack,
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Youve got msm on tthe brain.

That's because they are the biggest pushers of propaganda in the US. They are lap dogs for the left and push their policies.

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Thats where youbfind journalists who care about truth snd facts and strive tobr ed portvthem rather than propaganda and no thoat dopesl not chlaractperizpd the obama admin.

WTF did you say here? You have to try a little harder to actually hit the proper buttons.

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He cared about the country rsther than hi.mself.

That's a lie, he cared about the leftist version of the country, he did nothing that the right of center people wanted. He cared about being a race-baiter and dividing the country along racial lines. He wasn't in office for a year when we had the "Police acted stupidly", comment that lead to the Beer Summit.

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thats why he put thpe gop damagepd economy balck onits feet

GOP damaged? The GOP didn't harm the economy, people buying houses they couldn't afford damaged the economy. Of course there is always the fact that it was Bill Clinton who signed the bill that allowed the banks to offer those crappy loans. Let's also not forget who was in control of Congress at the time, the DNC.

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and got a REAL health plan for 20 million people

Except it has failed to do what it was intended to do, which was lower prices. How many of the state exchanges failed? How many insurance companies are still involved with the Fed Exchange?

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and didnt leave allies to be slauvghtered

We never should have been in Syria in the first place, it didn't serve any purpose to the US to be there. Funny how Obama was bombing 5 additional countries then when he took office, he got a Peace Prize and he was the bomber/drone in chief.

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Get a grip on reality not platitudes.

Take your own advice.



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blatham
 
  2  
Wed 6 Nov, 2019 12:41 pm
Steve Benen notes
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Donald Trump last night claimed via Twitter that Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin (R) "picked up at least 15 points" thanks to the president's support. Trump soon after said the boost was "maybe 20." The president appears to have completely made these numbers up, which is usually what he does after an election.

And Laura Ingraham broadcast a similar claim, also without any evidence, of course. Ingraham is not stupid. She knows this is a lie. But, as with Trump himself, she understands that Trump's base is bathed in a propagandist wash of cult ideas - his genius, his role as an instrument of God, and his absolute mastery of the political game. What cannot be permitted is any degradation of these cultish notions.

Greg Sargent has a great post on related matters this morning:
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Is Trump’s America on the defensive?

The question arises in the wake of two big Democratic wins on Tuesday night — Andy Beshear’s apparent ousting of Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin, and the Democratic takeover of state government in Virginia.

The first of those occurred in a state Trump carried by 30 points. Campaigning in Kentucky the night before, Trump claimed that if Bevin lost, “they are going to say Trump suffered the greatest defeat in the history of the world. You can’t let that happen to me!”

He was right: This is indeed a great defeat for him. But that cannot be tolerated or even acknowledged. Which led to this, from the chair of the Republican National Committee:
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Ronna McDaniel
@GOPChairwoman

No one energizes our base like @realDonaldTrump.

In Kentucky, the governor was down 17 points.

President Trump helped lift the entire ticket, winning 5 of 6 statewide races so far!
8:41 PM - Nov 5, 2019

This tweet, which was retweeted by the Audience of One, is getting widely mocked for its Baghdad Bob-style denial of encroaching reality. As reporters pointed out, no poll showed anything of the kind.

The Plum Line
Opinion
What GOP spin about last night’s losses says about Trump’s weakness
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(Mandel Ngan/AFP via Getty Images)

By
Greg Sargent
Opinion writer
November 6, 2019 at 7:49 a.m. PST
Is Trump’s America on the defensive?
The question arises in the wake of two big Democratic wins on Tuesday night — Andy Beshear’s apparent ousting of Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin, and the Democratic takeover of state government in Virginia.
The first of those occurred in a state Trump carried by 30 points. Campaigning in Kentucky the night before, Trump claimed that if Bevin lost, “they are going to say Trump suffered the greatest defeat in the history of the world. You can’t let that happen to me!”
He was right: This is indeed a great defeat for him. But that cannot be tolerated or even acknowledged. Which led to this, from the chair of the Republican National Committee:


This tweet, which was retweeted by the Audience of One, is getting widely mocked for its Baghdad Bob-style denial of encroaching reality. As reporters pointed out, no poll showed anything of the kind.
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But the more telling thing here is McDaniel’s slavish devotion to the single-minded cause, even in apparent defeat, of propping up the Cult of Trump, by claiming his only influence on the outcome was a tremendously inflated positive one. Note that this claim rested entirely on an absurdly exaggerated depiction of Trump’s supposed super-charging of the base.
Fox News played a similar game.
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Matthew Gertz
@MattGertz
Laura Ingraham's take on the Kentucky elections must be seen to be believed: "That is the power of Donald Trump... This is all very good news for Republicans."


All this isn’t just spin. It speaks to an absolutely central feature of Trump’s ongoing propagandistic depiction of his own political invulnerability: The idea that Trump’s base — that is, Trump’s America — possesses a kind of limitless power, reach and depth that still remains untapped.

To wit, Trump recently told an interviewer that he doesn’t need to reach out to swing voters, because “my base is so strong.” Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale has said that all that matters is to “get people to show up that believe in you.”

In this narrative, reaching out to swing voters is itself a form of weakness — a kind of admission that there might not be enough people out there who unconditionally “believe in” Trump, that Trump’s America has its limits, that it’s dwindling, that it’s on the demographic defensive.
Yet the story of Tuesday’s elections is one in which the Trump base wasn’t nearly enough, precisely because swing voters in the diversifying suburbs are turning away from the Trump-era GOP.

In Kentucky, a decisive factor was the big shift toward Democrats in three very populous northern Kentucky counties — Kenton, Campbell and Boone — that form the suburbs of Cincinnati, Ohio. Trump carried all three by enormous margins, but Beshear won the first two and cut deeply into the GOP margin in the third.

“The story of the night,” said MSNBC’s Steve Kornacki, is “an extension of the national story we have been telling,” which is “the suburbs moving away from the party of Donald Trump, towards the Democratic Party.”

Notably, as Sean Trende points out, Bevin hit traditional GOP targets in rural counties, but it wasn’t enough to overcome the swamping from populated suburban counties. As Trende observed: “Same story for Republicans nationally.”

In Virginia, the suburbs were also the story. Democrats flipped at least two state Senate seats and at least five state legislative seats. This wasn’t driven just by the much-discussed demographic shifts in the northern Virginia suburbs, but also by demographic shifts in the suburbs of Richmond.
A similar story played out in local races in Pennsylvania’s suburbs, where the ongoing shift helped Democrats capture the House in 2018.

In this broader context, the GOP spin about the seemingly limitless power and reach of Trump’s base becomes a lot more interesting.
The Trump narrative about America
It’s true that we don’t know how deep Trump’s base runs, at least for the purposes of Trump’s reelection. Some Democrats do worry that Trump could still squeeze out an electoral college victory by tapping even deeper wellsprings of support among non-college-educated whites in the Rust Belt.

But the big story that Trump and his propagandists are telling about this country right now is a lie. The story is that the opposition is a shriveled minority that’s in the grip of crazed anti-Trump irrationality, embracing an impeachment push opposed by the pro-Trump majority:
[img width=500]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFyceeSWsAAbTtF.jpg
The story holds that this opposition has been driven by hatred over Trump’s sensible “America First” agenda — which supposedly speaks to values held by a silent majority of Real Americans — to become the party of extremes (socialism) and of immigrants and elites who are contemptuous of that silent majority’s values (what Trump calls “the party of the Squad!").
But this is dramatically removed from reality. What’s happening now is that anger at Trump really is continuing to energize the Democratic base, while Democratic candidates speak to the middle about issues that unite Democrats and independents — against Trump.

That middle is also alienated by the other, less-discussed side of Trumpism — his embrace of GOP plutocracy and the policy failures that has produced — which is also producing major liabilities for Republicans.

Trump has fully embraced GOP hostility to Obamacare. But that drove the Democratic takeover of the House in 2018. And in Kentucky, Beshear just apparently won in part by emphasizing GOP efforts to cripple the Medicaid expansion. The Medicaid expansion was also a major issue driving the Virginia races.

“The motivation against Trump continues to fire up our base,” Jessica Post, the head of the Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee, told me, which allows “our candidates to speak to the middle by talking about issues.”
The idea that the Trump base is so vast and untapped that it can deliver him a victory with minimal swing-voter persuasion is not just spin. Trump puts it into practice daily. Trump’s spinners are valiantly claiming the latest results validate this approach. The opposite is far more likely.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Wed 6 Nov, 2019 12:44 pm
@blatham,
Another post that says Trump bad, liars good. Same **** different day. Repetition and propaganda posted by a very dishonest person, on top of it. Nothing new here.
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Wed 6 Nov, 2019 12:48 pm
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Support for Impeachment Falls as Inquiry Moves to New Phase



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47% of voters support the House impeaching Trump, down 4 points from a 51% high in mid-October.

Approval of the Democrats’ handling of the impeachment inquiry — 40% approve vs. 46% disapprove — was statistically unchanged from prior survey.

Voters who heard “a lot” about the House vote to formalize impeachment process were more likely to support inquiry, approve of Democrats’ handling of it.

Expect the numbers to keep going Trump's way.
https://morningconsult.com/2019/11/06/support-for-impeachment-falls-as-inquiry-moves-to

Baldimo
 
  0  
Wed 6 Nov, 2019 01:53 pm
@hightor,
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Ah, such eloquence, Comrade!

Save the Comrade talk for your Communist buddies in Antifa.

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It was a totally different story and much more difficult to cover because the events had happened decades ago.

You mean a story that was never a story? It was a story that was filled with lies for political gain. How many of the "accusers" finally admitted that they were lying? We already have Fords lawyer on tape saying they wanted to smear his name so if he rules against an abortion case, they can point to this point in time. She has a fear of flying, that was also a lie, nothing she claimed was true.
https://www.newsweek.com/christine-blasey-ford-attorney-debra-katz-roe-v-wade-video-politically-motivated-testimony-1458217

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Nevertheless, reporters went out and tracked down contemporaries, recorded their statements, and the public was given the opportunity to draw their own conclusions.

They went out to find as many liars as they could. The MSM knew a majority of what they were "reporting" was a lie, they admitted it, they sat on stories that would have backed him.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/nbc-sat-on-evidence-exonerating-justice-kavanaugh-discrediting-michael-avenatti-and-his-clients-accusations
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NBC News obtained information as early as Sept. 30 suggesting attorney Michael Avenatti had engaged in a conspiracy to defame Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh. Yet, for more than three weeks, the network said nothing, even as Kavanaugh’s critics cited Avenatti’s client, Julie Swetnick, as proof of the judge’s supposed unworthiness to serve on the Supreme Court.


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No one disputes that frat house behavior occurred.

The problem is the people involved with the"frat house" claims were all liars and ended up pulling their claims. The media didn't do their job, they found dirt and reported it, which ended up being lies.

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As the nominee himself bellowed at his confirmation hearing, "I like beer!"

That's because the DNC was making a big case about it, where there was no case.

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Contrast this with some of the stories Fox has run — and been forced to retract.

At least they retract some stories, unlike the MSM which keeps pushing the lies. They tried it just a week ago again with Kavanaugh for a book being released, the news failed to mention that the lady in question denies the event ever took place and has no memory of it. They skipped that key part when reporting the story.
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The Times story claims Stier “notified senators and the FBI about this account but the FBI did not investigate and Mr. Stier has declined to discuss it publicly. (We corroborated the story with two officials who have communicated with Mr. Stier.)”

What Pogrebin and Kelly left out of their story, yet reported in their book, is that the alleged victim doesn’t remember the incident and refuses to talk about it. That’s journalistic malpractice.

https://nypost.com/2019/09/15/devine-latest-brett-kavanaugh-smear-doesnt-hold-up/

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And how many incriminating stories about Trump have Breitbart and Fox sat on because they were unflattering to Trump?

Which stories would those be?

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The MSM has left them completely behind in the current whistle blower inquiry.

Pfft, it's a nothing burger just like the Mueller Report and Clinton/Steele Dossier, which still hasn't been verified. The MSM is working with the DNC to impeach Trump. It's another in a long line of DNC attempts to reverse the 2016 election.

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The Trump press is trying to execute some pretty fancy footwork, continually revising its narrative as the MSM reveals new scandals on a daily basis.

MSM is working with the DNC to unseat Trump, that's why they can't wait to publish anything and everything negative about Trump. CNN has been caught promoting bias, ABC has been caught hiding the Epstein story so they could chat with the Royals, MSNBC's ratings are in the tank... yeah, the media has hit it's lowest approval ratings in decades, no one trusts them.







blatham
 
  1  
Wed 6 Nov, 2019 01:55 pm
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Suburban Guerrilla Ω
@SusieMadrak
You probably don't understand the significance of Dems taking every single county race in PA's Delaware County, but I do. Home to the most corrupt GOP machine in the U.S., this win tells me Donald Trump and his asskissers have nowhere left to hide.
8:22 PM - Nov 5, 2019

This county in suburban Philly has been under Republican control since the Civil War.
h/t Digby
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MontereyJack
 
  3  
Wed 6 Nov, 2019 01:57 pm
@coldjoint,
That says that the more they hear of it the more they support inpeachment and rhey will inevigtably hear more about it sso trumwill lise support.. All thise employees telling the truth are bad for him.
BillW
 
  2  
Wed 6 Nov, 2019 02:37 pm
@revelette3,
rev, I was just being idealistic not realistic. In Kentucky they had a vote total of 1.5 million come out yesterday. Their "normal" vote total for an off year election is 0.9 million. It is a proven fact that large vote totals (for whatever reason) belong to Democratic happiness. That is the cause of Republican disengagement.
InfraBlue
 
  4  
Wed 6 Nov, 2019 03:28 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
The first frame illustrates quid pro quo for personal gain,

That is incorrect. The first frame indicates an effort to investigate probable criminal activity by a prominent Democrat.


Who by mere happenstance is a political rival, right.

oralloy wrote:
The only people who try to instigate investigations for personal gain are the Democrats -- which makes it extra hypocritical when they falsely accuse other people of trying to launch investigations for personal gain.


Nuh-uh.
hightor
 
  4  
Wed 6 Nov, 2019 07:57 pm
@Baldimo,
I wrote:
No one disputes that frat house behavior occurred.

This was sloppy on my part — I was referring to the frat house behavior which he admitted to in high school; the only incident I'm referring to is the Blasey accusation — which doesn't mean that any of the others are false, but they weren't as thoroughly investigated. "Frat house behavior" is a term used to describe the sort of vomit-fests of privilege, machismo, and intoxication that Kavanaugh bragged about attending.
Baldimo wrote:
That's because the DNC was making a big case about it, where there was no case.

Oh, I see one of your signature licks...the DNC. The DNC wasn't in charge of the hearings, nor was it a participant in the hearings. A lot of people were making a "big case" out of it, it was in the headlines for weeks.
Baldimo wrote:
It's another in a long line of DNC attempts to reverse the 2016 election.

They can't "reverse" the election, comrade. Let me explain. It already happened. He's been in office for nearly three years. It's all been documented. Now yes, he can be formally charged and even removed from office but that process is called "impeachment", not "election reversal". Hey, I thought you considered yourself a constitutionalist! And even if he were removed from office, he would be replaced by the person elected to fill his position. It's not "reversing" the election — it's upholding it.
Baldimo wrote:
MSM is working with the DNC to unseat Trump

Is there anything you can't twist this combination of letters around in order to display your paranoia and fear? A lot of people really don't like the guy, don't agree with his policies, and would like to see him get the boot — not just the 200 members of the DNC. A political cause becomes it's own news, and the media outlets cover the story. Opinion pieces and editorials try to focus attention on particular issues. It's called "freedom of the press". Look it up sometime. It's in the Constitution.
RABEL222
 
  3  
Wed 6 Nov, 2019 08:05 pm
@hightor,
He only understands the 2nd amendment of the constitution, partly, the rest of the constitution is Greek to him.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Wed 6 Nov, 2019 08:11 pm
The mainstream press is not free anymore. They are an arm of the Democratic party, socialists, communists, and progressives. Do not forget globalists. They all want this country and its freedoms and individual rights gone.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 6 Nov, 2019 09:06 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
Who by mere happenstance is a political rival, right.

I've heard a lot of leftists make a lot of goofy arguments about "why they should be above the law" over the years, but the idea that leftists should be above the law simply because Republicans are their rivals is pretty silly even by leftist standards.


InfraBlue wrote:
Nuh-uh.

That is incorrect. The fact that Democrats are the only ones who abuse their power to investigate their rivals does indeed make it extra hypocritical when they falsely accuse other people of doing it.
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coldjoint
 
  0  
Wed 6 Nov, 2019 09:21 pm
@MontereyJack,
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All thise employees telling the truth are bad for him.

These hacks work for the people. Their job is to do what the president wants, not what they think is better. They are not elected. The ones that can't put their politics aside should be fired.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Wed 6 Nov, 2019 09:22 pm
@BillW,
Trump caused that turnout.
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farmerman
 
  5  
Thu 7 Nov, 2019 04:10 am
@coldjoint,
Just Iike FOX is an arm of the GOP as is th Wall Street Journal, and several other news sources. Please dont whine, its unbecoming of an adult whose trying to convince me of their "victim hood"
oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 7 Nov, 2019 05:24 am
@farmerman,
Falsely accusing people of whining is very childish.
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Olivier5
 
  3  
Thu 7 Nov, 2019 05:47 am
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Emmanuel Macron warns Europe: NATO is brain-dead

America is turning its back on the European project. Time to wake up, the French president tells The Economist
Nov 7th 2019

EMMANUEL MACRON, the French president, has warned European countries that they can no longer rely on America to defend NATO allies. “What we are currently experiencing is the brain death of NATO,” Mr Macron declares in a blunt interview with The Economist. Europe stands on “the edge of a precipice”, he says, and needs to start thinking of itself strategically as a geopolitical power; otherwise we will “no longer be in control of our destiny.”

During the hour-long interview, conducted in his gilt-decorated office at the Elysée Palace in Paris on October 21st, the president argues that it is high time for Europe to “wake up”. He was asked whether he believed in the effectiveness of Article Five, the idea that if one NATO member is attacked all would come to its aid, which many analysts think underpins the alliance's deterrent effect. “I don't know,” he replies, “but what will Article Five mean tomorrow?”

NATO, Mr Macron says, “only works if the guarantor of last resort functions as such. I’d argue that we should reassess the reality of what NATO is in the light of the commitment of the United States.” And America, in his view, shows signs of “turning its back on us,” as it demonstrated starkly with its unexpected troop withdrawal from north-eastern Syria last month, forsaking its Kurdish allies.

https://www.economist.com/europe/2019/11/07/emmanuel-macron-warns-europe-nato-is-brain-dead
 

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