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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
Lash
 
  1  
Sat 2 Nov, 2019 06:09 am
@izzythepush,
How quickly you forgot many conversations we’ve had that match your description. You try too hard to find offense.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Sat 2 Nov, 2019 06:12 am
@Lash,
I'm not talking about TV shows.
Lash
 
  -2  
Sat 2 Nov, 2019 06:33 am
@izzythepush,
Or historical spots in England, I guess. Or, tips on travel. Or Trump’s visit to Buckingham Palace, or Meghan Markle and opinions of royalty.

Ok.
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revelette3
 
  4  
Sat 2 Nov, 2019 01:52 pm
As to do with nothing, found the following interesting. Kind of proud in a weird way.

Quote:
For the first time ever, a US cheese is named best in the world

A cheese from the United States has been named the world's top cheese.

Rogue River Blue has taken the top prize at the 2019 World Cheese Awards, marking the first time a US cheese has ever been named World Champion Cheese.

An organic blue cheese produced by Rogue Creamery of Central Point, Oregon, Rogue River Blue beat a record-breaking 3,804 entries from 42 countries at the awards, held this year in Bergamo, Italy, in mid-October.


CNN
BillW
 
  3  
Sat 2 Nov, 2019 02:04 pm
@revelette3,
I really like blue cheese - probably couldn't afford this one now though.
snood
 
  2  
Sat 2 Nov, 2019 08:09 pm
Just had an unsettling thought about the coming public impeachment hearings.
Some Democrats are saying that once the people start seeing and hearing for themselves the evidence against 45, the numbers for removal will grow, and the pressure on Republican senators will increase.

The unsettling thought was - Haven’t we had this experience recently, and repeatedly over the last 3 years?

I mean, negative information has come to light about 45, we are all sure that this will be the thing that moves people to rethink their support of this man, and then it simply fades away like a mist? Isn’t it as likely as any other outcome - that the people will see and hear clear evidence in the hearings that 45 tried to extort a foreign country into doing him a personal political favor - then just rationalize it, shrug go about their way?
coldjoint
 
  1  
Sat 2 Nov, 2019 08:18 pm
@snood,
Making excuses for losing in 2020 early?
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farmerman
 
  4  
Sat 2 Nov, 2019 08:18 pm
@snood,
yep, and they will blindly deny that this clown is a crook and a nascent tyrant.

His "base" reminds me of the supporters of the Vichy Government and Germans who saw Hitler as a SAVIOR.

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BillW
 
  2  
Sat 2 Nov, 2019 09:23 pm
@snood,
snood/Farmerman, the mistake Democrats make is that they believe the Republicans wish to save America as a democracy.
Real Music
 
  3  
Sun 3 Nov, 2019 02:05 am
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d4/70/9c/d4709c07e03fe10092b9cd9d45b09304--donald-trump-babysitters.jpg
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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sun 3 Nov, 2019 02:07 am
@BillW,
Quote:
https://i.imgur.com/ipnSq5q.jpg


NYP wrote:
Some two dozen angry protesters armed with bright orange anti-Trump signs were stationed outside Madison Square Garden on Saturday night as President Trump arrived at the arena for UFC 244 — but there were twice as many fans happy to see the commander in chief.

So 48 people were happy to see the President of the United States. Impressive - more cheers than boo's, that’s the bar for the US president seen in public.
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Lash
 
  -1  
Sun 3 Nov, 2019 02:24 am
Trump’s rally crowds hate Pelosi and Shiff like Democrats hate Trump.

The impeachment won’t result in removal. It will just serve to bring Trump voters to the polls. They should’ve just run against him, asking Trumpies during the election season if their personal lives were better now after four years of trump. They could’ve appealed to farmers, Trump voters who have been hurt by trump policies, promises he made and broke. Videos of children behind bars at our borders.

They could have had a message about Medicare for All, abolishment of crushing student loan debt, helping farmers by taking climate change seriously and finding solutions for family farms in collapse...

The democrats could have welcomed so many of these people back where they should be if democrats were what they were supposed to be.

But since the moment Hillary Clinton lost due to her own corruption and lack of accountability, honesty, and self-awareness, she’s created new and worse enmity between Americans—and a frenzied drive to overturn the election she lost. It will make 2020 so much more dicey than it would have been.

Democrats have been shooting up their stupid feet for four years.

Better vote Bernie.
revelette3
 
  1  
Sun 3 Nov, 2019 05:53 am
@snood,
Quote:
The unsettling thought was - Haven’t we had this experience recently, and repeatedly over the last 3 years?


Very True, like you I share no thoughts of a happy outcome from the impeachment proceedings. Nevertheless...it was and remains the right thing to do. Sometimes, elections aren't everything.
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revelette3
 
  2  
Sun 3 Nov, 2019 05:59 am
@BillW,
Well, I shamefully admit, I am not a "classy" cheese lover. I hate all forms of blue cheese. I find it taste terrible.

I was just glad to read something that has made me relatively proud given the terrible last few years.

I mean, come on, cheese? Not too important, but, it was the first time and American cheese was considered good against other countries who have always been considered good cheese makers. Enough about cheese, we might unwittingly draw back a poster I am glad has not around for a good while.
revelette3
 
  2  
Sun 3 Nov, 2019 06:10 am
Quote:
Internal Mueller documents show Trump campaign chief pushed unproven theory Ukraine hacked Democrats

President Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, suggested as early as the summer of 2016 that Ukrainians might have been responsible for hacking the Democratic National Committee during the presidential campaign rather than Russians, a key witness told federal investigators last year.

Newly released documents show that Manafort’s protege, deputy campaign manager Rick Gates, told the FBI of Manafort’s theory during interviews conducted as part of former special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential campaign. Gates told the FBI that Manafort had shared his theory of Ukrainian culpability with him and other campaign aides before the election.

The new information shows how early people in Trump’s orbit were pushing the unsubstantiated theory about Ukraine’s role. And it illustrates a link between Mueller’s investigation, which concluded in March, and the current House impeachment investigation of Trump. The president had pushed Ukrainians to open a probe into whether their country interfered in the election — an assertion his allies have made in an effort to discredit Mueller’s findings about Russia’s role.

The documents were released in response to lawsuits filed by BuzzFeed and CNN seeking documents related to Mueller’s investigation. BuzzFeed on Saturday published the first installment of internal Mueller records, released by the Justice Department to the news organization in response to a court order.

They include heavily redacted summaries of interviews the FBI conducted during the investigation with Gates, as well as with former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen and former senior adviser Stephen K. Bannon, along with other documents.

The documents show that Gates told the FBI that Trump adviser Michael Flynn had been “adamant” the Russians were not responsible for the hacking.

Flynn, who served briefly as Trump’s first national security adviser, pleaded guilty in 2017 to lying to the FBI about his contacts with the Russian ambassador. Last month, his lawyers suggested that he had not intended to lie and was instead entrapped by the FBI.

Sidney Powell, an attorney for Flynn, on Saturday called Gates’s statement regarding Flynn “hogwash.”

The documents also help explain why Mueller and his team spent months investigating the possibility that Donald Trump’s campaign may have had advance knowledge of releases of emails stolen allegedly by Russia and released publicly by WikiLeaks.

Interview summaries show that Gates told the FBI of various moments that led him to believe that Trump and others might have learned of WikiLeaks’ plans ahead of time. An attorney for Gates, who has been cooperating with prosecutors since pleading guilty in February 2018 to conspiracy and lying to the FBI, did not respond to a request for comment on Saturday.

Ultimately, Mueller did not charge anyone associated with Trump’s campaign of working with Russia or WikiLeaks to release stolen information, and Mueller’s 448-page report did not accuse anyone of having advance knowledge of WikiLeaks’ plans.

Regarding Ukraine, a summary of an interview with Gates conducted in April 2018 shows that Gates told the FBI that Manafort citing Ukrainians for the hacks “parroted a narrative” that was also advanced at the time by Konstantin Kilimnik — an employee of Manafort who the FBI has assessed to have ties to Russian intelligence.

Trump and some of his allies have long pursued a theory that perhaps Ukraine had a hand in interfering with the 2016 election. Witnesses testifying before the House impeachment inquiry have indicated that they believe Trump conditioned military aid to Ukraine on that nation’s new president agreeing to open an investigation into its role in the 2016 election as well as an inquiry of Trump’s domestic political rivals.

In a July 25 phone call, Trump personally urged Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate the matter.

The theory would serve to undermine any suggestion that Trump needed Russian assistance to win the election — and exonerate Russia for its role.

The U.S. intelligence community has indicated it has a high degree of confidence that it was Russia and not Ukraine or any other country that was to blame for the hacking. In July 2018, Mueller’s prosecutors indicted 12 Russian military officers and accused them of orchestrating the hacks.

Gates’s comments suggested that the theory that Ukraine was to blame for the hacks may have originated with Kilimnik, a Russian employee of Manafort’s political consulting operation in Kyiv.

Kilimnik was charged with tampering with witnesses in the Mueller investigation. He is believed to be in Moscow. He has denied ties to Russian intelligence and did not respond to a request for comment Saturday. Gates told the FBI that Kilimnik had also suggested that the hacks could have been conducted by Russian operatives working out of Ukraine.

The newly released documents show that Gates also told the FBI that Trump’s campaign was euphoric after WikiLeaks began publishing the hacked emails in July 2016, on the eve of the Democratic National Convention, and eager to put them to use to help the election bid. He testified that he believed the Republican National Committee appeared to have advance knowledge of the timing of email releases through WikiLeaks.

“The RNC had no advanced knowledge. Gates has already pled guilty to lying to federal authorities. Why would anyone believe him now?” RNC communications director Michael Ahrens said Saturday night.

Shortly after the Democratic convention, Gates told the FBI that he was traveling in a car with Trump to the airport from Trump Tower in New York when Trump received a phone call related to WikiLeaks. Shortly after boarding an airplane, Gates said, Trump informed him that additional releases of information would be forthcoming.

Indeed, in October 2016, WikiLeaks released thousands of emails stolen from the account of John Podesta, the campaign chairman for Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton.

In written answers to questions posed by Mueller, Trump indicated he had no advance knowledge of WikiLeaks’ plans. At the time, Trump confidant Roger Stone was bragging publicly and privately that he had information about WikiLeaks’ plans. He has since said his boasts were exaggerated and he was not in contact with WikiLeaks.

Stone goes on trial this week in Washington, accused of lying to Congress about his efforts to learn WikiLeaks’ plans.

As the Trump campaign scrambled to learn what WikiLeaks held, Gates told the FBI that he could remember a moment on the campaign plane when candidate Trump ordered his subordinates: “Get the emails.” Flynn responded that he could use his “intelligence sources” to try to obtain copies of the stolen emails in WikiLeaks possession.
The documents show that the Trump campaign struggled at times to decide how to respond to the growing evidence that Russia was interfering with the election.

As reports of the Russian effort mounted leading to Election Day, Erik Prince, a military contractor and informal adviser to Trump’s campaign, emailed Bannon suggesting that the campaign create “an alternative narrative” about Russia’s efforts — and that the Kremlin wanted Clinton, and not Trump, to win.

“Consider this response,” Prince wrote in the October 2016 email released on Saturday. “It’s unclear to me if Russia is directly involved in attempting to influence the US election. That said, its safe to say they are keenly interested, and likely using surrogates to poke in the US election. Who does the Kremlin want to see in the White House? Ms. Clinton.”

Indeed, Trump has adopted the line repeatedly since his 2016 victory.
“You look at all of the different things, Russia would’ve much rather had Hillary than Donald Trump. I can tell you that right now,” Trump told Fox News’s Sean Hannity in March, at the conclusion of Mueller’s investigation.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/internal-mueller-documents-show-trump-campaign-chief-pushed-unproven-theory-ukraine-hacked-democrats/ar-AAJKClj?ocid=spartanntp
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neptuneblue
 
  3  
Sun 3 Nov, 2019 07:56 am
@Lash,
Since neither one of us can guarantee exactly what will be in the Articles of Impeachment, I think you're rather premature with your opinion Trump will not be removed. We haven't seen most of the evidence or strategy yet. The prosecution has the burden of proof, and I'd like to see all of it laid out. Democrats need to prove he asked for political favors for a personal gain. Republicans will try to show it wasn't. It will be a process of Rule of Law versus Who Gives A ****. Will impeachment bring people out to the polls? Probably not any more or any less than any other Presidential election cycle we've had.

A Democratic nominee hasn't even been selected yet and you've already decided what talking points the nominees "should" be talking about. We're just getting started yet you've lowered the boom. Bernie or Bust.

To me, that's not any better of a strategy than just giving up entirely. I vote for the best person for the job. I voted for Hilary. She lost. Now, if Bernie does secure the Democratic nomination this time around, of course I'll vote for him, but I don't think he's the best candidate. All those things you've listed, yes, those are problems. And Bernie isn't going to solve them either, so let's just get real here. Oh sure, he'll try, try he will. And he'll spin his wheels, get absolutely nothing done because he'll be stonewalled for just being who he is. That's the fact you repeatedly keep ignoring.

It's ironic that Hilary Clinton keeps popping up and still people like you and the Trumpers just won't let go. "Well, SHE did THIS and SHE did THAT!!" So who really flipping cares? I don't. It's obvious you do. You're blaming Hilary for America's failures. Deemed her the one and only reason why Trump got into office. She's not the problem. We are.

I think in some conversations, you mentioned you were so put off from Hilary and didn't want to vote for Trump so you just stayed home. You did nothing. You sat on the couch and just let it all unravel. Now you're back, saying Bernie or Bust. Never a critical eye or a harsh interpretation of his policies.

You know who's been shooting their feet for the last four years? You. All on you. If you think that Bernie will win, great. However, your lack of preparedness for when or if he doesn't get the nomination shows you'll sit out this election cycle again.

Vote for the best person for the job. Just vote.
Lash
 
  -1  
Sun 3 Nov, 2019 08:01 am
@neptuneblue,
We’ll wait to see if I was right or not.
Hillary Clinton is in every way responsible for the Trump presidency.
You talk a lot, but you base most of what you say on a fact-free bias.
neptuneblue
 
  1  
Sun 3 Nov, 2019 08:09 am
@Lash,
Well, I guess you didn't like what I wrote. Fact-free, you say. Ok, point out what is non-factual.
Lash
 
  0  
Sun 3 Nov, 2019 08:14 am
@neptuneblue,
The next time I talk to you will be after the election. Just not worth my time.
neptuneblue
 
  3  
Sun 3 Nov, 2019 08:16 am
@Lash,
So, you lied. You tried to deflect from the truth.

Interesting.
 

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