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blatham
 
  4  
Mon 28 Oct, 2019 05:23 am
@Walter Hinteler,
This back and forth support Putin and Trump constantly give each other via public announcements - and the lack of notice or mention of that in modern right wing discourse - is a key indicator of how effective Fox propaganda has become with its audience.
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revelette3
 
  3  
Mon 28 Oct, 2019 09:29 am
Quote:
5 lessons from the death of Baghdadi

It’s far too early to claim total victory. Here’s why.

Success has a thousand fathers, and it’s too early to know who exactly did what when it comes to the reported killing of Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. Every agency and ally will want to claim some share of the credit. Although the specifics remain elusive, what we do know about the raid that led to his death — and its consequences — illustrates a series of lessons about US counterterrorism since 9/11, when the United States put the fight against groups like al-Qaeda and the Islamic State at the top of its priority list.

Allies are everything

The US Kurdish allies in Syria — the same ones the United States abandoned when it abruptly withdrew most of its forces from Syria and greenlit a Turkish invasion — reportedly played a key role in providing intelligence for the raid. So, too, did Iraqi allies. This is the norm, not the exception. Much of the intelligence war on terrorism is done by, with, and through allies, which have on-the-ground information as well as a capacity to act locally, neither of which can be replaced without massive US troop deployments.


If the United States is going to fight global terrorist groups like the Islamic State, it will need a range of allies. Some are traditional friends and powerful states, like Australia and France, that have their own counterterrorism assets and operate in areas like Indonesia or West Africa where the United States has historically played little role. Others are local tribes and militias, whose forces are in direct contact with militants in remote parts of Somalia, Yemen, and other areas where jihadists are active. These allies risk the lives of their fighters and otherwise sacrifice to the cause of counterterrorism, and Americans should be grateful.

In his remarks on the raid, President Trump thanked Russia and Turkey as well as Iraq, Syria, and the Kurds. Turkey has proven at best a fitful ally against the Islamic State. It initially allowed jihadists considerable freedom to transit its territory, but over time became far more aggressive. Its invasion of Syria and attack on the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), the Kurdish-dominated group that for years has been in the front line against the Islamic State, shows that Ankara is far more concerned about Kurdish-linked unrest than fighting jihadists.

The SDF, for its part, will have less time and fewer resources to help the United States fight the Islamic State, as it will now be focused on the Turkish threat and on guarding its autonomy against Syria and Russia, to which it turned in desperation to defend against the Turkish onslaught. Russia, as President Trump pointed out, sees the Islamic State as an enemy, but any thanks should wait until Moscow proves its bona fides by using its own assets and pushing its Syria ally to prioritize fighting the Islamic State in the territory it has just seized from the SDF.

The global killing machine rumbles on


Before 9/11, the United States struggled to find, let alone kill, terrorist leaders like Osama bin Laden. Since then, Washington has developed an impressive mix of intelligence and special operations capacities that are on the hunt for terrorist leaders. In Pakistan, Syria, Yemen, and other countries, the United States has killed suspected terrorists using drones and special operations force raids. Such deaths do not by themselves destroy the terrorist groups, but they make them less effective, creating leadership confusion and forcing leaders to hide rather than plot attacks.

Baghdadi’s killing is likely to have a similar impact. It deprives the Islamic State of its so-called caliph, and it is unclear if his successor will be as charismatic or competent. The president claims the United States is already hunting his successor, and so his time at the helm may be short-lived. In any event, he will have to keep a low profile and will otherwise be unable to exert a high degree of leadership, command, and control without risking meeting the same fate as Baghdadi. Nevertheless, the Islamic State has a deep bench, and it has recovered from massive leadership losses in the past.

Havens don’t have to be havens

Terrorists benefit from safe havens, and jihadist groups in particular prey on weak states or those caught up in civil wars — such as Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia, and Yemen. Before 9/11, al-Qaeda was able to build a mini-army in Afghanistan, with the United States seemingly impotent to stop it. Yet as the Baghdadi raid illustrates, these war zones are far less impenetrable than they were in the past.

Working with allies, the United States can bomb terrorist hideouts or raid them to arrest and kill their operatives. US intelligence, alone and in combination with allies, is far better able to monitor terrorist havens. Drones and other platforms have greatly expanded US strike options, and special operations forces are far better resourced and focused on the terrorism problem, too.

Even if the United States largely withdraws from Syria, it will still have some capacity to act there. The United States has five thousand troops in neighboring Iraq, and it could act from the territory of other allies. So Baghdadi’s followers and other thugs should sleep lightly — if at all.

Jihadist groups are hit hard

In the aftermath of 9/11, US officials feared jihadists would conduct similar attacks, including ones involving the use of chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear weapons. Yet although al-Qaeda launched bloody attacks in Madrid in 2004 and London in 2005, and the Islamic State wreaked havoc in Paris in 2015 and Sri Lanka earlier this year, the last 18 years have seen far fewer attacks than anticipated. The al-Qaeda core has not conducted a major attack on the West in over a decade.

The collapse of the Islamic State’s caliphate, and now the reported death of Baghdadi, deprive the group of one of its most important recruiting pitches and have put it on the defensive, forcing it to focus on surviving rather than conducting attacks on the West. European states have become more effective at counterterrorism, while last year saw only one death in the United States at the hands of jihadists.

Indeed, while civil wars like Syria and Yemen still rage at horrifying levels, terrorist attacks have fallen around the world. Part of this is because counterterrorism instruments and Western defenses have improved, but it’s also because the collapse of the caliphate and the withering of al-Qaeda has made the messages of extremists less compelling.

The hunt will continue

Given how hard the jihadists have been hit, it’s remarkable how enduring the groups have proven. Despite their losses, both al-Qaeda and the Islamic State are still standing, and their affiliates are robust. Ambassador Nathan Sales, the US counterterrorism coordinator, warns of the spread of al-Qaeda to Africa and even claims that “what we see today is an al-Qaida that is as strong as it has ever been.” The ideas the Islamic State and Al Qaeda promulgate now reach and inspire far more people than they did before 9/11. And some of the partners with whom the United States works are corrupt and brutal, and they will not be able to provide the long-term governance necessary to prevent the return of jihadist groups.
In Iraq and Syria, and in other lands where jihadist groups are active, much of the response will remain tactical, hunting group leaders and preventing the groups as a whole from developing havens and otherwise getting too strong. Baghdadi’s death is an important blow, but it is not the end of the struggle.

The president himself would do well to learn these lessons. His constant carping on European and other allies risks jeopardizing one of America’s most important counterterrorism assets. Abandoning key partners like the SDF is short-sighted and sends a message that America cannot be trusted.
At home, even as he praised intelligence officers in remarks announcing Baghdadi’s death, he railed against “poor leadership” in the intelligence community and “people who aren’t very intelligent having to do with intel,” probably references to officials involved in investigating his transgressions or standing up for independent analysis. Such pettiness and mistakes will make it harder to build on today’s important counterterrorism success.

https://www.vox.com/2019/10/27/20935172/trump-isis-lessons-baghdadi-death-terrorism
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revelette3
 
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Mon 28 Oct, 2019 09:40 am
@snood,
Quote:
Yeah, I guess he may talk and behave the way he does because he acts according to a clever strategy. But from what I remember of seeing him in all the years before he began masquerading as president, he was always a preening, self-congratulating blowhard. I think it’s just an unhappy accident that his “campaign” happened at the same time as an angry white whiplash of a base that needed desperately to wash 8 years that of a freer, more equal, browner, blacker country out of their memories.


I never focused on this side of the Trump getting elected as President perspective, but you are right. I just thought it was a horrible accident of those three swing states deciding to vote in Trump's favor which turned the electoral college in his favor.

Small comfort in knowing the majority of the population regardless of where they live they are still actually people, not just a state, must not have felt that way. Obama is more popular today than he was when he president. I know that is often the case, but the longer he is away and we are forced to endure this President, the contrast is just so obvious and heartfelt with ordinary people. It is like we are ruled by the dregs of society. It is hard to remember that.
revelette3
 
  2  
Mon 28 Oct, 2019 09:55 am
Join Me in Closely Observing Melania's Face While President Trump Got Booed at the World Series
coldjoint
 
  0  
Mon 28 Oct, 2019 09:56 am
@revelette3,
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It is like we are ruled by the dregs of society.

Who the Hell do you people think you are? Your attitude, and attitudes like yours, assures Trump's re-election.
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coldjoint
 
  0  
Mon 28 Oct, 2019 10:13 am
@revelette3,
And who lives in DC? Liberal assholes with no ethics, no sense of fairness, and a hate for the democracy they claim they are defending. Losers boo. Trump wins.
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blatham
 
  2  
Mon 28 Oct, 2019 10:17 am
Anyone surprised?
Quote:
Pompeo Discusses Senate Race in Kansas With Koch
Secretary of State talked to billionaire Charles Koch during a visit to Wichita

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo discussed the U.S. Senate race in Kansas with billionaire Charles Koch and a top official from his namesake company during a visit to Wichita on Friday, according to a person familiar with the meeting.
WSJ
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revelette3
 
  3  
Mon 28 Oct, 2019 10:48 am
Fact Checker: Trump's shiny new talking point about income growth
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Real Music
 
  2  
Mon 28 Oct, 2019 10:52 am
President Donald Trump greeted with boos at Game 5 of World Series,
fans chant 'lock him up'



Published October 28, 2019


Quote:
WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump was greeted with a thunderous chorus of boos from the sold-out crowd attendance at Game 5 of the World Series between the Nationals and Astros.

Trump, who showed up shortly after the first inning, was introduced to the crowd after the third inning during the Nationals' salute to veterans, a regular feature at Nats’ games.

As the next inning began, fans chanted "lock him up," a nod to the motto that Trump supporters directed at Hillary Clinton in 2016.

Trump and wife Melania sat in the Washington Suite and were joined by a number of other politicians including Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and Reps. Steve Scalise (R-La.), Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) and Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.), among others.

Trump did not sit with the Lerner family, the principal owners of the Nationals. A representative for the Lerner family put in a request to MLB to not be put in position to turn down a request from the White House to sit with Trump, according to WUSA.

Trump has not attended a major league game since he took office in January 2017.

Every president since William Taft in 1910 has thrown out a ceremonial first pitch during their time in office, either for Opening Day, the All-Star Game or the World Series.

On Friday, Trump notified he did not want to throw out the ceremonial first pitch or make other public appearance “in order to make the fan experience as positive as possible,” MLB commissioner Rob Manfred said.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/president-donald-trump-greeted-with-boos-at-game-5-of-world-series-fans-chant-lock-him-up/ar-AAJs0zZ?ocid=UE13DHP
coluber2001
 
  3  
Mon 28 Oct, 2019 10:52 am
"The President's gloating & self-aggrandizing comments about the death of the ISIS leader reminded me of the Passover Seder.

At the Seder - after recounting (in brutal detail) how Pharaoh enslaved & brutally treated our ancestors & decreed the murder of our first-born sons - we do not rejoice in the plagues visited upon the Egyptians.  In fact, we are expressly forbidden from doing so.

Instead, we spill a drop of wine at the mention of each of those plagues, as our joy is reduced each time we hear of another's suffering (even the suffering of our "enemies").  Long before JC lectured about "turning the other cheek" or "love thy enemy as thyself", this was already part of our tradition.

This theme is echoed in scripture.  On seeing the Egyptians drowning in the Red Sea, the angels were about to break into song when god silenced them declaring, “How dare you sing for joy when My creatures are dying".

I do not mourn the ISIS leader's death.  Far from it.  He has earned his rightful place in ignominy.  But there is something obscene in rejoicing in it."
---Neil Silberblatt

The gloating is obscene and demonstrates a lack of dignity, shame, and spirituality in the executive.

hightor
 
  4  
Mon 28 Oct, 2019 11:24 am
@coluber2001,
Quote:
The gloating is obscene and demonstrates a lack of dignity, shame, and spirituality in the executive.

It was disgusting — so unpresidential. Conscientious parents will want to cover their children's ears when that undisciplined blowhard starts one of his repetitive free association monologues. He's talking about releasing some of the video record of the operation — which is opposed by many in the military as it would give ISIS and other foes information on how such raids are conducted.
blatham
 
  3  
Mon 28 Oct, 2019 11:42 am
@hightor,
How like Trump it would be to to release a snuff film. Those American families that watch Fox could gather around their TVs and cheer as they dig into their Chick-fil-A takeout dinners after saying grace.

coldjoint
 
  0  
Mon 28 Oct, 2019 12:09 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
How like Trump it would be to to release a snuff film.

This from the guy who wishes people dead.
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coldjoint
 
  0  
Mon 28 Oct, 2019 12:12 pm
@Real Music,
They would not do that in Houston. DC, it should be expected. It means zero, they hate him there.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Mon 28 Oct, 2019 12:17 pm
American troops "coming home." They're leaving Kurdish Syria, where they were wanted, for this ****.

Quote:
The Iraqi authorities have declared a night-time curfew in the capital, Baghdad, on the fourth day of a fresh wave of anti-government protests.

Vehicle and pedestrian movement will be prohibited between 00:00 and 06:00 (21:00-03:00 GMT) until further notice.

It came after five protesters were reportedly killed in Baghdad on Monday.

More than 220 have died across the country since 1 October, when people began demanding more jobs, an end to corruption and better public services.

Prime Minister Adel Abdul Mahdi has promised to introduce reforms. But the protesters remain determined to try to sweep away his government.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-50212195

More at link.
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blatham
 
  1  
Mon 28 Oct, 2019 12:30 pm
Personally, I'm utterly flabbergasted by this revelation
Quote:
Oliver Willis
@owillis
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Mark A. Milley says he has no idea where Trump got his story about al-Baghdadi "whimpering and crying."
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edgarblythe
 
  5  
Mon 28 Oct, 2019 01:47 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

They would not do that in Houston. DC, it should be expected. It means zero, they hate him there.

I'm from Houston. I say Lock the ****** Up.
Baldimo
 
  0  
Mon 28 Oct, 2019 03:10 pm
@blatham,
Would it be made like the Hollywood created and WH supported snuff film Zero Dark Thirty? It was amazing how quickly that movie came together after the mission to kill him took place. It's like Hollywood could't wait for Obama to have some form of success in the war on terror.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Mon 28 Oct, 2019 05:16 pm
@Baldimo,
Obama restored the economy the gop crashed and gave 20 million people healthcare. Trump came in to Obama's economy humming along well didn't do much except keep Obama's work as his own. Financial people think he's made it a bubble and it's going to pop. And herself out our allies and loves our enemies...Obama rocks trump sucks.
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coldjoint
 
  0  
Mon 28 Oct, 2019 05:48 pm
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
I'm from Houston. I say Lock the ****** Up.

Think anyone would hear you over the crowd?
 

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