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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
layman
 
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Wed 1 Feb, 2017 09:15 pm
Looks like a few liberals are wising up, eh?

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blatham
 
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Wed 1 Feb, 2017 09:19 pm
@Olivier5,
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Trump is playing in "Wealth Concentration Comes Home to the White House". He is the logical end (or step) towards greater and greater alienation of the US people from their elites.

I think that's misperceived in an important way. Had Jeb or Cruz won the nomination, I expect we'd be seeing a cabinet in most ways quite like this one. To put that a different way, this administration reflects a dynamic of the modern GOP. As far as I can determine things, most of these cabinet picks were the consequence of Pence's influence far more than Trump's.

But Trump himself (and Bannon) present different sorts of dangers on top of what you are speaking of.
blatham
 
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Wed 1 Feb, 2017 09:20 pm
@ehBeth,
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Really? you don't think you learn more about what matters politically by talking to people around you rather than reading books/websites?

No reason both can't be done.
RABEL222
 
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Wed 1 Feb, 2017 09:20 pm
@hightor,
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even the Trumpenproletariat will turn on him.


No, the Trumpenproletart will be happy as hell if a terrorist attack or war should occur. A wartime president president is always reelected. Patriotism you know. Its what they hope and work for. Screw the people who have to die for these pricks.
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blatham
 
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Wed 1 Feb, 2017 09:23 pm
@georgeob1,
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In short, there's a lot more to the matter than indicated by your blithe justaposition of the two statements, made almost a year apart, on different matters under different circumstances and your implied conclusion that it demonstrates that integrity and honesty are absent from conservatives
is without merit.

As Ted Cruz admitted, the Republicans were prepared, if Hillary won, to disallow any future appointment by her to the SC indefinitely.
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giujohn
 
  -2  
Wed 1 Feb, 2017 09:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

The real president is a con and fraud. You just don't understand Trump's history of bigotry and scamming. Do some research; there's plenty of fact checked articles out there.


I don't care if he sells dirty pictures in church. As long as he does not trash the CONSTITUTION, violate the public trust, keeps his major campaign promises AND tells the press to go **** themselves, I'll be tickled pink.
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blatham
 
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Wed 1 Feb, 2017 09:24 pm
@old europe,
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I'm also uncomfortable how the whole notion of "don't rely on intellectuals/books/news/websites" plays into the current anti-intellectualism and opposition of science/experts/universities as "liberal" and therefore unreliable. I really disagree that that's the way to determine policy.

As am I. And for the same reasons.
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blatham
 
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Wed 1 Feb, 2017 09:29 pm
@ossobucotemp,
I was in favor of Sanders contesting Clinton initially as I thought it would be advantageous as an impetus to push her more to the left. But as his campaign moved into forwarding narratives that were precisely what the right wanted to have floating about in the conversation, my favor turned to disfavor.

Of course I, like everyone else, had no notion that Trump would win but knowing what the GOP had become in the present, I REALLY did not want to see them succeed. You win some, you lose some.
blatham
 
  2  
Wed 1 Feb, 2017 09:34 pm
A question to everyone here... has anyone read Mayer's Dark Money? Anybody?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 1 Feb, 2017 09:35 pm
@blatham,
But it was such a yuge loss.
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Frugal1
 
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Wed 1 Feb, 2017 09:48 pm
Libtards.

Masked Protesters Starting Fires, Tearing Down Fences Outside Milo Speech at Berkeley

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3oJEeAUYAA0gr8.jpg:large
layman
 
  -2  
Wed 1 Feb, 2017 09:56 pm
@Frugal1,
Well, Frug, they're just strong believers in civil rights and free speech, can't ya see?

Quote:
Shouting "Shut It Down," the protesters are removing barricades, toppling a light pole, and throwing projectiles -- including fences and firebombs -- at the building where the speech is being held.


And commies like Blathy want to run around callin Trump an "authoritarian" 24/7, eh? Go figure.
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ehBeth
 
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Wed 1 Feb, 2017 10:02 pm
@blatham,
I do both, but if I want to know what people think - I talk to them. Go to townhalls, all that good stuff.
Blickers
 
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Wed 1 Feb, 2017 10:02 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote McGentrix:
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Maybe Blatham should read this article and watch Joe Biden on the floor of the Senate...

Biden made that speech suggesting the Supreme Court nominee not be made until after the election in June. The primaries were being held, the conventions were a few weeks away.

Obama made his nomination in February, right at the beginning of the year. The political season was nowhere near full swing yet.
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blatham
 
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Wed 1 Feb, 2017 10:06 pm
@Olivier5,
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Okay so which intellectual would you propose, which speaks authoratively of the crisis of western democracy?

You asked that of Old Europe and I expect he'll respond. But if you'd asked me...

First, I'm not at all sure I buy the proposition as you phrase it. I don't know what you mean, exactly. Perhaps the rise of far right parties? Or maybe the increasing gap between the very very wealthy and everyone else on the planet?
I'll presume you have the second in mind more than the first.

Obviously that gap is increasing. But I fail to see how the world wide left (if there even was such a thing) might have been prescient enough to perceive changes that have come about as a consequence of the information revolution, the destabilization of the middle east and Africa, or the evolution of finance entities, etc. And if they had been perceived, how the left might have set out to counter these events and forces in a manner equal to their magnitude and the incremental nature of each.

Twenty five years ago, I read an essay by Isaiah Berlin on what he saw as the emerging demise of the nation state as that arrangement of structures and power was being supplanted by international business entities and their arrangements of structures and power. But it was necessarily a rather abstract (if bright) description of trends and there was certainly no clear, bright lines in any of it.

And there aren't many clear, bright lines now either. And then there's the problem of romanticizing the past. My life has been far easier and more agreeable than was my father's. And unless things do go badly astray, my daughter's life will be much better than my father's though perhaps not better than mine. But it would seem foolish to imagine in a world as complex as ours that there will be an inevitable progression towards the better.

Assuming a world wide "crisis" for democracy as an evident axiom doesn't seem to me warrantable.
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blatham
 
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Wed 1 Feb, 2017 10:07 pm
@ehBeth,
Only one small reason I love you.
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layman
 
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Wed 1 Feb, 2017 10:08 pm
@Frugal1,
Kinda ironic that back in the 60's Berkeley students were leading the "free speech movement."

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The Free Speech Movement (FSM) was a student protest which took place during the 1964–65 academic year on the campus of the University of California, Berkeley under the informal leadership of students Mario Savio,[1] Jack Weinberg, Michael Rossman, Brian Turner, Bettina Aptheker, Steve Weissman, Art Goldberg, Jackie Goldberg, and others. In protests unprecedented in scope, students insisted that the university administration lift the ban of on-campus political activities and acknowledge the students' right to free speech and academic freedom.


But, as Herbert Marcuse, the so-called "father of the new left" (i.e, these Berkeleyites and their ilk) articulated, what the left means by "tolerance" is tolerance for leftist ideas, and the total suppression of contrary views. So, aint nuthin new, really.
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Olivier5
 
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Thu 2 Feb, 2017 01:35 am
@blatham,
As usual, you're not listening... Enjoy the Truman Show.
Olivier5
 
  1  
Thu 2 Feb, 2017 02:09 am
@maporsche,
What bee got in your bonnet? Blat asked me whom he should study and I answered him. I never said anything to you.
Olivier5
 
  1  
Thu 2 Feb, 2017 02:17 am
@ehBeth,
I haven't followed Trudeau, probably should. Does it got a good fighting spirit? I am asking because the US had Obama and we had Hollande and as nice as they were, they were a bit lightweight and aloof. We need aggressive leftist leaders me think.
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