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MontereyJack
 
  3  
Fri 18 Oct, 2019 04:36 am
@Builder,
Yes, the results were conclusive. More oeople voted for Clinton than voted for trump. California has more people than the total number of people in 21 other states combined. why is it surprising that the margin should just be due to one state therefore?? why should California be made the butt when people live there voluntarily? More people voyed for Obama twice, and the gop spent eight years trying to thwart everything he did. why the **** shouldn't the majority work to thwart the odious things a minority president tries to disrupt the country with?
Builder
 
  -1  
Fri 18 Oct, 2019 04:54 am
@MontereyJack,
My call was correct; the butthurt is strong with this one.

The electoral college made an excellent decision, based on your constitution. Having one state's popular votes decide a national election result was never going to be a wise decision. California can have Clinton. I doubt that she'd want them.

farmerman
 
  2  
Fri 18 Oct, 2019 05:15 am
@Builder,
So the entire states of California and NY were disenfranchised in several presidential elections. When you look at it that way, what the Founding fathers wished to avoid "the tyranny of the majority " was an elitist means of selection based on a simpl minded concept that should either be FIXED to keep the promise of "one man(person) one vote" or DISMANTLED ENTIRELY and deal with the tyranny of the majority.Technology has caught up with what the founding fathers with the loudest voices, "feared". We are able to count wvery vote with little problem.

SO cmon , lets not allow California's votes to count less than those of North Dakota.
blatham
 
  0  
Fri 18 Oct, 2019 05:39 am
And turning on the SnakePitCam we find...
Quote:
Sean Hannity calls White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney “dumb” and his admission of a quid pro quo an “idiotic interpretation”

Sean Hannity: “I don't even think he knows what he's talking about ... you don't need a chief of staff's idiotic interpretation of things”
MM

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blatham
 
  0  
Fri 18 Oct, 2019 05:45 am
Quote:
It is well understood by now that support for impeachment — and for that matter removal — of Donald Trump has risen significantly since proceedings were officially announced by Nancy Pelosi last month. That’s mostly because impeachment fever has spread among Democrats and among independents.

But it’s a separate question whether the evidence that Trump has committed impeachable acts will or won’t grow during impeachment hearings and/or a Senate trial, given the current atmosphere of partisan polarization. There is some new research from Pew suggesting that Republicans may be more open to persuasion than Democrats as the process moves along:
Quote:
While 93% of Democrats say Trump has definitely or probably done things that are grounds for impeachment – including 70% who say he has definitely done such things – a smaller majority of Republicans (80%) say he has not. Fewer than half of Republicans (46%) say Trump has definitely not done things that are grounds for impeachment.

To put it another way, 54 percent of Republicans (and GOP leaners) either think Trump likely did commit impeachable acts, or are not certain he didn’t. Only 30 percent of Democrats (and leaners) appear to have open minds on the subject. That’s a pretty big “minds-made-up gap,” to coin a phrase, as we enter a period when Trump’s dubious behavior dominates news more than ever, if you can imagine that. And while most Republican pols may stick with Trump through thick and thin, his vulnerability to removal — or more likely, discouragement of his all-important base in 2020 — could grow if his misconduct becomes better known, in both its shocking quantity and disturbing quality.
Ed Kilgore, NYMag
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Fri 18 Oct, 2019 07:26 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
So the entire states of California and NY were disenfranchised in several presidential elections.

It is pretty silly for the left to complain about disenfranchisement after the 2008 Michigan presidential primary.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Fri 18 Oct, 2019 07:29 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Trump lost the actual votes by nearly three million.

That is incorrect. Trump got 304 votes and Hillary got 227 votes.


MontereyJack wrote:
electors are not actual people, theyre merely placeholders.

That would be news to their families.


MontereyJack wrote:
and the ec doesn't vote until there is an actual election,, not a sham one the founding fsthers foisted on us.

Why do progressives hate our Constitution so much?


MontereyJack wrote:
Actual people did not give trump or his agenda enough to win.

That is incorrect. Trump won the election 304 votes to 227 votes.


MontereyJack wrote:
why do you think he'll get more votes this time around when he persistently alienates huge swaths of the electorate?

Trump is doing a great job at preventing progressives from violating our civil liberties for fun.
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oralloy
 
  0  
Fri 18 Oct, 2019 07:31 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Utter nonsense.

Reality often makes progressives sad. But no, progressive efforts to violate people's civil liberties for fun have nothing to do with saving any lives.


MontereyJack wrote:
the NRA tries to get guns into as many hands as possible, which means they enable Stephen paddock, Dylan roof, the el paso shooter and the Dayton shooter amongst others to do their evil work. that's violence right there.

People have the right to have guns.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Fri 18 Oct, 2019 07:32 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Yes, the results were conclusive. More people voted for Clinton than voted for trump.

That is incorrect. Trump got 304 votes and Hillary got 227 votes.


MontereyJack wrote:
More people voted for Obama twice, and the gop spent eight years trying to thwart everything he did.

No they didn't. Republicans repeatedly tried to work with him. It was Obama's own extremism that prevented anything from getting done.


MontereyJack wrote:
why the **** shouldn't the majority work to thwart the odious things a minority president tries to disrupt the country with?

Keep in mind that what Democrats do to Republicans, Republicans turn around and do to Democrats.
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blatham
 
  4  
Fri 18 Oct, 2019 07:35 am
Today's edition of Voices From The Right; episode 666
Quote:
Ashton Pittman
@ashtonpittman
Fox News' Judge Andrew Nopalitano says that Trump holding the G7 gathering of world leaders at his own Doral resort "is about as direct and profound a violation of the emoluments clause as one could create.”
revelette3
 
  5  
Fri 18 Oct, 2019 08:06 am
@blatham,
I bet they find a way to spin it to make a wrong seem normal, therefore right. They have that trick down pat. They are working on that now with the Acting chief of staff's live confession of quid pro quo. I have faith, unfortunately, they will manage both.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Fri 18 Oct, 2019 08:27 am
@revelette3,
The reason why it seems normal and right is because it is normal and right.

What's not normal or right are these witch hunts against people who don't agree with progressives.
Olivier5
 
  5  
Fri 18 Oct, 2019 08:32 am
@oralloy,
I don't think Nopalitano can be described as a progressive.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Fri 18 Oct, 2019 08:54 am
@Olivier5,
Whoever that is, if they are helping the progressives in their witch hunts, then they should be held accountable for their witch hunting.
Olivier5
 
  4  
Fri 18 Oct, 2019 09:13 am
@oralloy,
By all means, do hold Nopalitano accountable for his legal opinion...
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InfraBlue
 
  3  
Fri 18 Oct, 2019 09:27 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:

Quote:
Where does he talk about arranging the job for his son?


Explain how Hunter would "qualify" for such a job, when he has zero experience in that role.

Much like the Clinton's Pay to Play scams, this has mud all over it.

Feel free to ignore that, though. It's what you're best at.


In other words, you're talking out of your ass. Acknowledged.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Fri 18 Oct, 2019 10:37 am
@InfraBlue,

Quote:
In other words, you're talking out of your ass. Acknowledged.

No one pays a crackhead 50, 000 a month unless they want something from somebody. That someone was Joe Biden. No getting around it.
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revelette3
 
  2  
Fri 18 Oct, 2019 11:01 am
Quote:
The Syrian ceasefire the US brokered is already falling apart

It took less than a day for the ceasefire in Syria that President Donald Trump said was “Great for everybody” to fall apart.

On Thursday, Vice President Mike Pence and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan made a deal whereby Ankara agreed to a five-day ceasefire, during which time fighters in the YPG — the main Syrian Kurdish fighting force in the region that helped the US fight ISIS for years — would withdraw from a 20-mile “safe zone” near the Turkish border.

The agreement also required the YPG to turn over its heavy weaponry and dismantle its fortifications. In exchange, the US would remove already-placed sanctions on Turkey if the ceasefire held.

But based on what Syrian Kurds said on Friday, Turkey isn’t abiding by its side of the deal.

Despite the agreement to halt the fighting, air and artillery attacks continue to target the positions of fighters, civilian settlements and the hospital” in Ras al-Ayn, tweeted Mustafa Bali, the chief spokesperson for the northeastern Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), the umbrella name for the fighters that joined the US against ISIS and mainly led by regional Kurds. “Turkey is violating the ceasefire agreement by continuing to attack the town since last night.”

Ilham Ahmed, a leading Syrian Kurdish politician, tweeted the same conclusion. “[D]espite the cease-fire deal, the Turks are still continuing airstrikes and ground offensive against Ras al Ain,” she wrote, based on a translation by journalist Wladimir Van Wilgenburg. “Some civilians have been killed in Turkish strikes, as they were trying to save some injured (people) stuck inside the city.”

Both Bali and Ahmed have a vested interest in making Turkey look bad, of course, so it’s fair to be cautious about their claims. But other more neutral sources clearly corroborate their statements.

The New York Times on Friday reported that shelling and gunfire could be heard in the town, including by some people over the border in Turkey. The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a UK-based conflict monitor, found that Turkish forces targeted medical and aid organizations — including an unnamed American one — in the town to stop the evacuation of injured civilians. Journalists at AFP even captured airstrikes exploding in the area.

Erdoğan, for his part, told reporters Friday that clashes between Turkish-backed troops and Syrian Kurds weren’t happening, and that it was America’s job to ensure the Kurds held up their end of the bargain.
And Trump, after speaking with Erdogan on Friday, seemed to agree with him.

Quote:

Donald J Trump
@realDonaldTrump

Just spoke to President @RTErdogan of Turkey. He told me there was minor sniper and mortar fire that was quickly eliminated. He very much wants the ceasefire, or pause, to work. Likewise, the Kurds want it, and the ultimate solution, to happen. Too bad there wasn’t.....


Put together, it’s pretty clear the ceasefire hasn’t ceased any fire, despite Trump championing the agreement on Thursday as “a great day for civilization,” passing on his “Congratulations to ALL!”
Experts I spoke to about the ceasefire, though, said they never shared the same optimism as the president.

“I never expected it to hold, as each side read it completely differently, and there’s no enforcement mechanism,” Faysal Itani, a Syria expert at the Atlantic Council in Washington, told me. “We have very little to no leverage here. Honestly, I don’t know what to say other than that amidst this idiocy.”

Trump bungled his Syria withdrawal “in the worst of all ways”

Trump’s decision to withdraw US troops from northern Syria last week wasn’t by itself wrong. The way he did it — so abruptly, so thoughtlessly — is why so much chaos abounds.

The reason is simple: Trump had three years to plan for his desired Syria departure since he took office.

But instead of anticipating that Turkey might take advantage of the US troop withdrawal to launch military action against the Syrian Kurds — which any expert on the conflict could have told him was a real possibility — before withdrawing the troops, Trump made a seemingly spur-of-the-moment decision to pull out US troops after a phone call with Erdoğan last week.

That left the administration scrambling to deal with the impending Turkish invasion after having already squandered what little leverage it had, roughly 1,000 troops, to deter unwanted actions by Turkey and strike a diplomatic deal that may have at least temporarily pleased the players involved.

“We could’ve stopped Turkey’s incursion” into northern Syria, the Institute for the Study of War’s Jennifer Cafarella told me. “We didn’t want to.”

Several experts I spoke to conceded that the US was never going to get out of Syria cleanly. But there was definitely a pathway to do so that wouldn’t have left the northern part of the country in such disarray.

In brief, Trump didn’t have to spend months telegraphing he wanted American service members out of Syria, letting Erdogan know it was just a matter of time before he could invade. Trump didn’t have to withdraw US troops without credibly telling Erdogan before Turkey’s invasion to lay off the Kurds. And he didn’t have to neglect a diplomatic process that might — might — have worked if he gave Turkey something in return for allowing Kurds to remain in the area.

When repeatedly given a chance to do the right thing in Syria to make his troop withdrawal happen, Trump failed himself, the United States, and its Kurdish allies. The ceasefire just ended up being a Band-Aid that couldn’t cover the gaping wound Trump ripped open.

“Trump has managed to bungle this policy challenge in the worst of all ways,” Mara Karlin, who spent years on Middle East security issues at the Pentagon, told me.


https://www.vox.com/world/2019/10/18/20920806/syria-turkey-ceasefire-trump-kurds-pence

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revelette3
 
  4  
Fri 18 Oct, 2019 11:06 am
Bears repeating:

Trump Ignored Syria Exit Options that Could Have Kept Russia at Bay, NSC Official Says

My question is, given everything we know of Trump; I wonder what he is getting in return from Turkey? He is getting something out of this, we probably won't never know. If we do know, they will say it is ok and it's all perfectly normal. After all, Turkey and Kurdish fighters in Syria who has fought along with our own troop against IS, are just children in a lot, let them fight it out. Let the IS which escaped last week come to our shores. How can the same people who haves supported all the many things we have done over the years in the name of terrorist, just accept all this?

coldjoint
 
  -2  
Fri 18 Oct, 2019 11:20 am
@revelette3,
Quote:
Let the IS which escaped last week come to our shores

You are forgetting the travel ban from countries in that region that are rigidly enforced by this administration. Obama is not in charge anymore.
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