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coldjoint
 
  0  
Thu 17 Oct, 2019 11:50 am
@tsarstepan,
That source is behind a pay wall. The NYT resembles a pay toilet. Their credibility has been flushed.
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McGentrix
 
  2  
Thu 17 Oct, 2019 11:56 am
@hightor,
It certainly appears that way, but at the same time, are we in agreement that there has been a witch hunt for Trump since his announcement as a candidate?

Do you agree that what Biden did in threatening to withhold $1B unless they fired the prosecutor as basically the same exact thing?
Walter Hinteler
 
  5  
Thu 17 Oct, 2019 12:09 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:
From the End of WWI until the Syrians kicked them out soon after WWII,
Well, I'd thought, the English term for the French Mandat pour la Syrie et le Liban was "Mandate for Syria and the Lebanon".
To all what I know, it was a League of Nations' Class A Mandate - I'd thought "colony" to be something different.
Syria was by no means a French colony, but a country under the mandate of the League of Nations, administered like a protectorate. The objective was to give independence to this country, as well as to Lebanon, when a reliable and serious political elite would be formed to lead and administer this country.
revelette3
 
  4  
Thu 17 Oct, 2019 12:40 pm
So tell me, is it legal for a president to own property, hold a summit there and profit off of it all at the same time?


Trump to host G-7 summit at his Doral resort, White House says

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-10-17/white-house-g7-meeting-venue

What in the world good does it do to have a Constitution’s emoluments clause, which could can casually brushed off by the criminals in the WH? Where does it end with these folks?
revelette3
 
  2  
Thu 17 Oct, 2019 12:44 pm
Trump’s Syria letter reportedly made Erdogan so angry, he threw it in the trash

Quote:
A head-turning letter President Donald Trump wrote to his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan apparently ended up in the trash, according to a senior Turkish official.

Images of the letter from Trump attempting to pressure Erdogan not to attack U.S.-allied Kurds in Syria became public on Wednesday and drew ridicule from critics in Washington.

But it apparently angered no one more than the recipient himself, according to the official, who recounted the incident to a Turkish newspaper on Thursday.

“The letter was written on 9 October. Erdogan rejected the offer of mediation and it was thrown into the trash. The clearest answer to this letter was the reply given at 4pm on 9 October. This is was the start of Operation Peace Spring,” the official told local newspaper Yeni Safak.


A cease fire has been announced. No telling what is being dealing behind closed doors. I am glad all the same.
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hightor
 
  2  
Thu 17 Oct, 2019 12:46 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote:
...are we in agreement that there has been a witch hunt for Trump since his announcement as a candidate?


No. "Witch hunt" is an awfully loaded term. But are we in agreement that there were many people who were concerned about Trump's political inexperience, dismissive of his intellect, and suspicious about his business practices since his announcement as a candidate?

Quote:
Do you agree that what Biden did in threatening to withhold $1B unless they fired the prosecutor as basically the same exact thing?


Where is the similarity to this president's attempt to find material with which to smear a political opponent? Why didn't State Department officials object? Besides getting Ukraine to address corruption by firing the compromised prosecutor what other objective did Biden have? I know, the smear machine cranked up that convenient story about protecting Hunter Biden but there is no corroboration that protecting his son was the V.P.s motive, nor any allegation that anything either Biden did was illegal.



InfraBlue
 
  2  
Thu 17 Oct, 2019 12:50 pm
@revelette3,
Being president of the US is great for business.
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Olivier5
 
  2  
Thu 17 Oct, 2019 12:56 pm
@georgeob1,
Unfortunately, the few French forces present in Syria depend on your boys for their logistic, to fly men and supplies in and out. So they are also leaving. Now the Kurds have asked Macron for anti-tank and ground-to-air missiles. Let's see what Macron does.

Short term, it seems a one-week truce has been negotiated by Pompeo to allow the Kurds to pull back.
revelette3
 
  5  
Thu 17 Oct, 2019 12:57 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote:
Do you agree that what Biden did in threatening to withhold $1B unless they fired the prosecutor as basically the same exact thing?


No, because all the western leaders were in agreement that the prosecutor wasn't doing enough to tamp down on corruption at that time. It wasn't a shadow operation run by a man who hasn't even been sworn into an official position at WH to prove baseless conspiracy theories of Ukraine hiding the DNC server in Ukraine which is in direct opposition of what our intelligence agencies have concluded.

Moreover, the Bidens was mentioned by name in connection with the call to the Ukraine president. Joe Biden is running for presidential election. Trump mentioning to the newly elected President of Ukraine for him to look into "the Bidens" is campaign violation on it's face because the information is of value to Trump's re-election chances.
Baldimo
 
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Thu 17 Oct, 2019 01:19 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
I know, the smear machine cranked up that convenient story about protecting Hunter Biden but there is no corroboration that protecting his son was the V.P.s motive, nor any allegation that anything either Biden did was illegal.

I guess you missed the sworn affidavit by the former prosecutor Viktor Shokin...
https://heavy.com/news/2019/09/viktor-shokin-affidavit-biden/

You can't say there is no corroboration, that just isn't true.
InfraBlue
 
  2  
Thu 17 Oct, 2019 01:30 pm
@Baldimo,
How does the sworn affidavit provide corroboration that Joe Biden was protecting his son?
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hightor
 
  4  
Thu 17 Oct, 2019 01:42 pm
@Baldimo,
"Sworn affidavit" from a discredited and disgraced ex-prosecutor? I think I'd want something a bit more solid. Especially since the investigation of Burisma had been dormant for some time.

However, in no way do I categorically excuse the Bidens here. Joe should have told his son not to take a job like that while he was V.P. And Hunter Biden shouldn't have had to be told to begin with.
revelette3
 
  3  
Thu 17 Oct, 2019 02:07 pm
https://www.newsweek.com/us-ceasefire-syria-turkey-kurds-reject-1466068

Quote:
U.S. Says It Made 'Ceasefire' Deal in Syria But Turkey and Kurdish Forces Reject Claim


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revelette3
 
  3  
Thu 17 Oct, 2019 02:25 pm
One more very interesting piece from Newsweek.

Trump Ignored Syria Exit Options That Could Have Kept Russia at Bay, NSC Official says.
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Builder
 
  -1  
Thu 17 Oct, 2019 02:35 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
Joe should have told his son not to take a job like that while he was V.P. And Hunter Biden shouldn't have had to be told to begin with.


Joe refuses to admit that arranging the job for his son, was doing the wrong thing. Here's where he defends his actions.

Biden's denial here.
blatham
 
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Thu 17 Oct, 2019 02:52 pm
Quote:
Among many other things, in his just concluded remarks, White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney slightly shifted the White House explanation. He said one reason for the hold up of weapons aid to Ukraine was about the “corruption related to the DNC server.” This needs to be unpacked.

It is just a shard of information. But it is a reference to the Seth Rich/DNC Server conspiracy theory which holds the following …

Not only did Donald Trump not collude with Russia during the 2016 campaign. Russia didn’t even interfere in the election at all. Both were framed by a conspiracy between Ukraine and the DNC. The server is the DNC server that the Russians hacked. It’s ‘missing’, so the conspiracy theory goes, because a cybersecurity firm called Crowdstrike was part of the conspiracy and they made it look like the Russians had hacked the servers when in fact it was an inside job by a disgruntled DNC employee. And which employee? Seth Rich.

You probably know this whole story, Russian propaganda channels and Wikileaks latched on to the idea that Rich, who all evidence suggests died the victim of a random street crime, was the disgruntled leaker and that he was later murdered by Democrats or people associated with the Clintons as part of the conspiracy.

That is what this is about: Russia and Trump were framed. The real election interference was a conspiracy between the DNC and Ukraine. That was why the White House held up military aid. And if there’s any question that this was an offhand remark by Mulvaney, remember: Trump explicitly invoked the “Crowdstrike server” in his call with Zelensky. That is what this is about.
TPM
blatham
 
  3  
Thu 17 Oct, 2019 02:58 pm
@blatham,
PS
The Seth Richards murder by allies of Clinton is the notion that's been pushed here by Lash.
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InfraBlue
 
  3  
Thu 17 Oct, 2019 03:03 pm
@Builder,
Where does he talk about arranging the job for his son?
Baldimo
 
  0  
Thu 17 Oct, 2019 03:18 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
"Sworn affidavit" from a discredited and disgraced ex-prosecutor?

Don't play games, the Dems in Congress were willing to accept the "testimony" of a known liar who was being sent to jail and who lied to them again in his 2nd round of "testimony". That was considered good enough for Congress, why wouldn't the affidavit be accepted from someone who wasn't prosecuted for a crime? It seems the DNC is only accepting info that they deem worthy. Yes, I said the DNC because this is nothing but a political game at this point, the DNC is collecting all of this "subpoena" info purely for the 2020 election, they won't even hold a vote to authorize their impeachment inquiry.
InfraBlue
 
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Thu 17 Oct, 2019 03:20 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

Before he would send military aid passed by congress.


As far as we know, the favor wasn't about making up dirt about the Bidens, however. It was about Biden stopping the prosecution and a lot of people wanting to find out about that so whatever Zelenskyy could do with the Attorney General would be great. And that Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if Zelenskyy could look into it ... It sounded horrible to Trump.
 

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