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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
snood
 
  4  
Thu 10 Oct, 2019 06:54 am
@oralloy,
Do you believe that Trump asked the leader of a hostile foreign country to help him by finding information about his political rival?
Do you believe that happened, yes or no?
revelette1
 
  2  
Thu 10 Oct, 2019 07:12 am
Apparently our troops in Syria were told to stand down so to speak and watch the Turks invade Syria where the Kurdish fighters have been fighting IS.

From Fox News.

Quote:
The Kurds requested air support from American forces in response to the strikes. But U.S. military officials tell Fox News that Trump has ordered them to not get involved.


https://www.foxnews.com/world/trump-turkey-syria-kurdish-troops-military-assault
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izzythepush
 
  3  
Thu 10 Oct, 2019 07:40 am
@snood,
He asked China to do it on National TV.
revelette1
 
  1  
Thu 10 Oct, 2019 07:40 am
If you go to Fox News website it is still filled with nonsense articles. However, I have noticed there are more negative stories on Trump. On impeachment. (from Microsoft news, but it is a Fox new article)

Quote:
A new high of 51 percent wants Trump impeached and removed from office, another 4 percent want him impeached but not removed, and 40 percent oppose impeachment altogether. In July, 42 percent favored impeachment and removal, while 5 percent said impeach but don’t remove him, and 45 percent opposed impeachment.

Since July, support for impeachment increased among voters of all stripes: up 11 points among Democrats, 5 points among Republicans, and 3 among independents. Support also went up among some of Trump’s key constituencies, including white evangelical Christians (+5 points), white men without a college degree (+8), and rural whites (+10)


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fox-news-poll-record-support-for-trump-impeachment/ar-AAIxxhs?ocid=spartandhp
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izzythepush
 
  3  
Thu 10 Oct, 2019 07:52 am
Edited so I don't repeat myself.

Quote:
Turkish forces are stepping up air strikes and a ground offensive, as their incursion into Kurdish-held areas of northern Syria enters a second day.

Turkey's military said it had seized designated targets. There are reports of heavy fighting in the central border region, and seven civilian deaths.

Tens of thousands of people are reported to be leaving their homes.

The United Nations Security Council is due to discuss the offensive on Thursday at the request of its current five EU members - the UK, France, Germany, Belgium and Poland.

Kurdish sources report a large ground offensive between the towns of Ras al-Ain and Tal-Abyad, in the central area of Syrian's northern border with Turkey.

Turkish-backed Syrian rebels from the Free Syrian Army have also been involved in the fighting.

The area is sparsely populated and mainly inhabited by Arabs.

Ras al-Ain has been hit by numerous air strikes. Eyewitnesses spoke of military jets circling and shelling by artillery.

Turkey's defence ministry said on Twitter that its operation had continued successfully through the night by land and air. Reports say a number of villages east of Tal-Abyad were captured.

Mr Erdogan said 109 militants had been killed, injured or captured in the initial fighting. The SDF said the figure was an exaggeration.

The UK-based monitoring group, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, said at least 16 SDF fighters had been killed and dozens more injured.

The Kurdish Red Crescent said at least seven civilians had so far been killed, two of them children, and at least 19 more critically injured including four children.

There are no clear estimates of numbers of displaced, but Kurdish sources say at least tens of thousands have left their homes.

Kurdish authorities accused Turkey of shelling a prison holding Islamic State (IS) group prisoners in Qamishli in the east of the border region in a "clear attempt" to help them escape.

Kurdish authorities have called for a general mobilisation and urged people to "head to the border with Turkey... to resist in this sensitive, historic moment".

The Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) currently number about 40,000 fighters, with tens of thousands of others in parallel Kurdish security services, Kurdish sources say.

The US joint task force on operations against IS in Iraq and Syria describes them as "tenacious fighters with a degree of basic military training to function as infantrymen".

But they are deficient in heavy weaponry that could be used against tanks or aircraft, though some units may have anti-tank missiles.

In operations against IS, they relied on close coalition air support but in the flat, open country of Syria's northern border they will be vulnerable to air and artillery attack.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-49998035<br />

From the same article. Analysis by defence correspondent Jonathan Marcus

Quote:
Even by President Trump's own remarkable standards his off-the-cuff remark that the US alliance with the Kurds is of little importance because they were not at Normandy, ie they did not fight with the US and its allies in World War Two, is extraordinary.

For Mr Trump alliances are simply transactional - business arrangements to be judged according to a brutal and short-term cost benefit analysis. What is the US giving and what is it getting in return?

In seemingly writing off the Kurds he suggests that the US can easily find other allies in the region. Really? Has he already forgotten recent history? The Kurds were the only capable and reliable local ally in the struggle against IS.

But what will Mr Trump do about Turkey who, incidentally, were not at Normandy either? This is fast becoming a major test of Turkey's standing within Nato, with many fearing it has become a far from reliable ally of the West.
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snood
 
  2  
Thu 10 Oct, 2019 08:09 am
@izzythepush,
I know it, and you know it. Anybody with eyes and ears and the least tidbit of honesty knows it. But do Oralloy and the like know it, and if they do, can they admit it without bullshit embellishments about how everyone does it, or some other obfuscating bullshit?
izzythepush
 
  2  
Thu 10 Oct, 2019 08:42 am
@snood,
Trump could perform abortions while simultaneously shitting on the American flag and handing nuclear secrets to Putin and they'd still be blaming the Democrats.
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farmerman
 
  2  
Thu 10 Oct, 2019 09:06 am
@snood,
I was litning to CBC program the other night and the discussion was about Trump's erratic behavior in everything hes doing. The consensus was based on three points

1.His mental acuity seems to be slipping badly
OR
2He's deathly afraid of a second term and early wants out .
OR
3. He really believes his "gifted capacity" to be a great ruler. So hes really unwilling to learn anything

revelette1
 
  2  
Thu 10 Oct, 2019 10:10 am
Quote:
Two Giuliani Associates Who Helped Him on Ukraine Charged With Campaign-Finance Violations

WASHINGTON — Two Soviet-born donors to a pro-Trump fundraising committee who helped Rudy Giuliani’s efforts to investigate Democrat Joe Biden were arrested late Wednesday on criminal charges of violating campaign finance rules.

Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, two Florida businessmen, have been under investigation by the U.S. attorney’s office in Manhattan, and are expected to appear in federal court in Virginia later on Thursday, the people said. Both men were born in former Soviet republics.

Mr. Giuliani, President Trump’s private lawyer, identified the two men in May as his clients. Both men have donated to Republican campaigns including Mr. Trump’s, and in May 2018 gave $325,000 to the primary pro-Trump super PAC, America First Action, through an LLC called Global Energy Producers, according to Federal Election Commission records.

The men were charged with four counts, including conspiracy, falsification of records and lying to the FEC about their political donations, according to the indictment that outlines a conspiracy to funnel a Russian donor’s money into U.S. elections.

The group concealed their work by laundering foreign money into U.S. elections by disguising the true origin of the money, the indictment says.
Beginning in about March of 2018, Mr. Parnas and Mr. Fruman began attending fundraising events and making substantial contributions “with the purpose of enhancing their influence in political circles and gaining access to politicians,” prosecutors wrote.

The indictment Thursday alleges that Mr. Fruman intentionally misspelled his name as to further evade FEC scrutiny. Fundraising records show that an “Igor Furman” who otherwise matches Mr. Fruman made additional campaign donations totaling almost $400,000, beginning in March 2018. That would bring the pair’s contributions to about $1 million.

John Dowd, who headed Mr. Trump’s legal team until spring 2018 and is a lawyer for the two men, didn’t respond to a request for comment.

Mr. Giuliani said he hasn’t been contacted by Manhattan federal prosecutors.

Attorney General William Barr discussed the case on Thursday with federal prosecutors in Manhattan, where he was making a preplanned visit. A Justice Department official said Mr. Barr was supportive of their work on the case, on which he was first briefed shortly after being confirmed as attorney general in February. He was aware the pair would be charged and taken into custody last night, the official said.

The Campaign Legal Center, a transparency advocacy group, filed a complaint with the FEC in July 2018 calling on the commission to investigate whether Messrs. Parnas and Fruman had violated campaign-finance laws by using an LLC to disguise the source of their donations.

Messrs. Parnas and Fruman had dinner with the president in early May 2018, according to since-deleted Facebook posts captured in a report published by the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project. They also met with the president’s son Donald Trump Jr. later that month at a fundraising breakfast in Beverly Hills, Calif., along with Tommy Hicks Jr., a close friend of the younger Mr. Trump who at the time was heading America First Action. Mr. Parnas posted a photo of their breakfast four days after his LLC donated to the super PAC.

A spokeswoman for America First Action said the super PAC had placed the contribution in a segregated bank account following the complaint filed with the FEC. The donation “has not been used for any purpose and the funds will remain in this segregated account until these matters are resolved,” the spokeswoman said. “We take our legal obligations seriously and scrupulously comply with the law and any suggestion otherwise is false.”


Since late 2018, Mr. Fruman and Mr. Parnas have introduced Mr. Giuliani to several current and former senior Ukrainian prosecutors to discuss the Biden case.

Mr. Parnas in July accompanied Mr. Giuliani to a breakfast meeting with Kurt Volker, then the U.S. special representative for Ukraine negotiations. “We had a long conversation about Ukraine,” Mr. Volker wrote in his testimony to House committees last week. During that breakfast, Mr. Giuliani mentioned the investigations he was pursuing into Mr. Biden and 2016 election interference.

House committees last month sought documents and depositions from Messrs. Parnas and Fruman related to their interactions with the Trump administration, Mr. Giuliani and Ukrainian officials. The initial notice from the committees set the dates for their depositions as Thursday and Friday.

Mr. Dowd wrote a letter to the House Intelligence Committee last week advising them that he was representing Messrs. Parnas and Fruman and noting that the two men had assisted Mr. Giuliani “in connection with his representation of President Trump.” He said some of the documents sought by House Democrats last month were protected by attorney-client privilege and that a privilege review of those documents “cannot reasonably be conducted by Oct. 7,” the deadline lawmakers had set.

He also criticized the document requests as “overly broad and unduly burdensome."

Messrs. Parnas and Fruman also worked to oust the ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch, whom Mr. Trump had removed from her post this spring.

In May 2018, Pete Sessions, at the time a GOP congressman from Texas, sent a letter to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo asking for her removal, saying he had been told Ms. Yovanovitch was displaying a bias against the president in private conversations.

Mr. Sessions told the Journal his letter was in line with a broader concern among members of Congress that the administration wasn’t moving swiftly enough to put new ambassadors in place. He declined to say where his information about the ambassador came from but said he didn’t follow up on his letter and didn’t hear until months later about Mr. Trump’s interest in replacing her.

The indictment references a congressman, identifiable as Mr. Sessions, whose assistance Mr. Parnas sought in “causing the U.S. government to remove or recall the then-U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine.” The indictment says those efforts were conducted “at least in part, at the request of one or more Ukrainian government officials.” Mr. Sessions didn’t respond to a request for comment.

Messrs. Parnas and Fruman told the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project in July that they told Mr. Sessions last year that Ms. Yovanovitch was “bad-mouthing” the president. They later donated to his campaign.

Mr. Trump moved to oust Ms. Yovanovitch this spring after Mr. Giuliani told him that she was undermining him abroad and hindering efforts to investigate Mr. Biden. House committees are seeking Ms. Yovanovitch’s testimony.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/two-giuliani-associates-who-helped-him-on-ukraine-charged-with-campaign-finance-violations/ar-AAIA6MX?ocid=spartandhp


I don't have a subscription to the WJ, I may get one, but I would have to do without one I have and I am not sure which one I would chose. Anyway, I am aware of the complicated way you get around it. I can never remember it, plus, it seems sort of cheating. Microsoft has on their homepage a decent selection of news from various sites for free.


snood
 
  4  
Thu 10 Oct, 2019 10:28 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

I was litning to CBC program the other night and the discussion was about Trump's erratic behavior in everything hes doing. The consensus was based on three points

1.His mental acuity seems to be slipping badly
OR
2He's deathly afraid of a second term and early wants out .
OR
3. He really believes his "gifted capacity" to be a great ruler. So hes really unwilling to learn anything


Yeah, I have never understood the constant attempts to dissect, and assign meaning to, Trump’s behavior.



Why does he do it? What do you think is his strategy? What are his real thoughts on the matter?

An entitled asshole (racist, misogynist, fraud)does stupid, destructive things.

I think we’d all save time and energy if we stopped trying to “figure out” this POS.




revelette1
 
  2  
Thu 10 Oct, 2019 11:02 am
Live updates: Trump returns to the campaign trail as another poll shows support for his ouster is growing

As a side comment, I don't know how George Conway and his wife remain married.

George Conway and other prominent conservatives call for ‘expeditious’ impeachment probe


Both from the WP.
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blatham
 
  2  
Thu 10 Oct, 2019 11:17 am
Quote:
President Donald Trump freshly ripped into Fox News on Thursday, attacking the network's bipartisan polling team — "they suck" — and complaining that his long-cherished channel “doesn’t deliver for US anymore.”

“From the day I announced I was running for President, I have NEVER had a good @FoxNews Poll. Whoever their Pollster is, they suck,” the president said in a series of tweets Thursday morning. “But @FoxNews is also much different than it used to be in the good old days.”
TPM

Murdoch will steer his ship in whichever direction looks more lucrative. Competitors, like Sinclair particularly, are in the wings and Murdoch knows this of course. Whatever happens over the next year or two politically, the right wing base will remain a target for such entities (talk radio and websites included) because of the big, big money involved. Whatever strategies these agitprop shitheels develop if Trump looks to be headed for the toilet, they'll find some path to keep their markets intact.
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blatham
 
  2  
Thu 10 Oct, 2019 11:23 am
@snood,
re Farmerman's CBC post
Quote:
1.His mental acuity seems to be slipping badly
OR
2He's deathly afraid of a second term and early wants out .
OR
3. He really believes his "gifted capacity" to be a great ruler. So hes really unwilling to learn anything

Though obviously difficult to divine Trump's motivations at any time, we'll surely be attempting to get some understanding or sense of it. Calculating others' intentions and motivations is wired into us, for obvious reasons.

As to those three options, I think we can toss the word "or". They aren't necessarily exclusive of each other.
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blatham
 
  2  
Thu 10 Oct, 2019 11:39 am
If you aren't seriously concerned about Facebook's operations in the political sphere, it's time to get serious about that. There's no small degree of reason to conclude (or at least to suspect) that Zuckerberg is a sociopath. If you have time and inclination, it's worth attending to Aaron Sorkin's take on the guy.

Most recently, we've seen Zuckerberg refusing to remove from Facebook deceitful and false information re Joe Biden. Note also that Facebook's head of Global Elections Coverage is Katie Harbath. Her previous work?

- Chief Digital Strategist for the National Republican Senatorial Committee

- Deputy eCampaign Director for the Rudy Giuliani Presidential Committee

- Director of Online Services for the DCI Group, a preeminent right wing astro-turf operation.

Note as well the recent news coverage on the maneuvering by Koch and crowd to gather up the tech titans, including Facebook, into the Koch network. Then imagine what that might mean for the spread of disinformation.
blatham
 
  1  
Thu 10 Oct, 2019 11:48 am
Steve Benen notes
Quote:
Sally Canfield, a former aide to George W. Bush and Mitt Romney, wrote on Twitter yesterday, "So let me get this straight. Basically the President of the United States helped coordinate an attack on an ally."
revelette1
 
  2  
Thu 10 Oct, 2019 12:06 pm
@blatham,
My sister (I have always admire her which is why I bring her up sometimes) has hated the owner of Facebook since 2017 (around then) and has deleted her account several times. If all her friends weren't on there...I have the same problem. Sometimes it is the only way to keep in touch with family you don't see but maybe once or twice a year, if that. My cousin who was my bridesmaid and my best friend growing up on my pages in on there and I haven't seen her very much except at funerals since I got married way back in 1983. It is a dilemma.
BillW
 
  1  
Thu 10 Oct, 2019 12:13 pm
@blatham,
Blatham, I think Zuckerberg has realized his old Facebook horses are dead and his has now got on the Republican horse. He has expanded his deceitful ways again after pulling back a little over the last few years.
BillW
 
  1  
Thu 10 Oct, 2019 12:16 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Steve Benen notes
Quote:
Sally Canfield, a former aide to George W. Bush and Mitt Romney, wrote on Twitter yesterday, "So let me get this straight. Basically the President of the United States helped coordinate an attack on an ally."



......….with a questionable ally and using that the are a member of NATO (really?) for an excuse.
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revelette1
 
  1  
Thu 10 Oct, 2019 12:16 pm
Quote:
Trump’s Sweeping Case Against Impeachment Is a Political Strategy

WASHINGTON — Breathtaking in scope, defiant in tone, the White House’s refusal to cooperate with the House impeachment inquiry amounts to an unabashed challenge to America’s longstanding constitutional order.

In effect, President Trump is making the sweeping assertion that he can ignore Congress as it weighs his fate because he considers the impeachment effort unfair and the Democrats who initiated it biased against him, an argument that channeled his anger even as it failed to pass muster with many scholars on Wednesday.

But the White House case, outlined in an extraordinary letter to Democratic leaders on Tuesday, is more a political argument than a legal one, aimed less at convincing a judge than convincing the public, or at least a portion of it. At its core, it is born out of the cold calculation that Mr. Trump probably cannot stop the Democrat-led House from impeaching him, so the real goal is to delegitimize the process.

Just last week, Mr. Trump acknowledged that Democrats appeared to have enough votes to impeach him in the House and that he was counting on the Republican-controlled Senate to acquit him. By presenting the inquiry as the work of an unholy alliance of deep-state saboteurs and Democratic hatchet men, he hopes to undermine its credibility, forestall Republican defections and energize his voters heading into next year’s re-election campaign.

“As a general matter, painting the process as highly partisan should rally the G.O.P. and Trump base, as those groups will see the current inquiry as merely a continuation of the past three years,” said Henry Olsen, a senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center, a Washington research organization, and a student of conservative thought.

But it may also harden opposition to Mr. Trump, bolstering the impression that he considers himself above the law. That could build support for an article of impeachment that charges him with obstructing Congress in addition to any related to his effort to pressure Ukraine for damaging information about his Democratic adversaries.

The eight-page letter signed by Pat A. Cipollone, the White House counsel, and sent to Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other top Democrats outlined a bevy of grievances about the House inquiry, some procedural and others political.

It argued that “this purported ‘impeachment inquiry’” was not valid because the House did not vote to authorize it, as it did in the cases of Presidents Richard M. Nixon and Bill Clinton, with Ms. Pelosi taking it upon herself instead to declare the existence of an impeachment process by fiat. It complained that Republicans have not been granted subpoena power of their own and that the president’s lawyers have not been allowed to attend closed-door interviews, cross-examine witnesses or call their own witnesses to testify.

(you can read the letter on the link)

But it also threw in a hodgepodge of Mr. Trump’s favorite objections, essentially memorializing some of his many Twitter blasts at Representative Adam B. Schiff, Democrat of California, who is leading the inquiry and has become the president’s chief target.

You look at all the irregularities, you can come to the conclusion that this is an illicit hearing,” Rudolph W. Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer, said in an interview. “This is the first time that a president hasn’t had the ability to have his party to call witnesses in the preliminary phase. It sounds like they’re singling him out for unfair treatment.”

Constitutional scholars, though, were not impressed. “It looks like a pathetic attempt to make a legal argument when the president is really expressing rage at the Congress for trying to stop him,” said Corey Brettschneider, an impeachment expert at Brown University. “What’s sad about it is it’s so poorly drafted and the legal arguments are so nonexistent that you wonder who’s advising the president.”

Jack Goldsmith, a Harvard Law School professor and former senior Justice Department official under President George W. Bush, said Mr. Trump’s position was more political than constitutional.

“The White House letter’s legal objections don’t have merit,” he said. “The letter, like the ‘official impeachment inquiry’ itself, is a hardball tactic designed to achieve maximum political advantage” before the public.

Indeed, it could ultimately end up being a negotiating position. Mr. Trump, who on Tuesday denounced the “kangaroo court,” told reporters on Wednesday that he could change his mind and cooperate if the House voted to formally authorize the impeachment inquiry. “Yeah, that sounds O.K.,” he said. “We would if they give us our rights. It depends.”

As a matter of historical precedent, Mr. Cipollone was correct in saying that Mr. Clinton and his lawyers and Democratic allies were eventually granted more rights during his impeachment in 1998 than Mr. Trump has been, at least so far. Mr. Clinton’s lawyer, for instance, was given the opportunity to cross-examine his main accuser, the independent counsel Ken Starr, during an open House Judiciary Committee hearing.

But the Constitution makes no guarantees of such rights for a president facing impeachment, simply saying that the House “shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.” Indeed, the House impeached President Andrew Johnson in 1868 without even drawing up articles of impeachment until after the vote. Legal experts said nothing in the White House letter justified a president or his administration unilaterally defying congressional subpoenas.

In fact, such resistance has been used against presidents in past impeachment efforts. One of three articles of impeachment approved by the House Judiciary Committee against Mr. Nixon before he resigned in 1974 charged that he “willfully disobeyed” congressional subpoenas, thereby “substituting his judgment as to what materials were necessary for the inquiry.”

In his report to Congress in 1998, Mr. Starr argued that among the grounds for impeachment was what the prosecutor considered Mr. Clinton’s “frivolous” and “patently groundless” assertions of executive and other privileges to thwart a perjury and obstruction of justice investigation stemming from the president’s affair with Monica Lewinsky. In that case, though, the House opted against including such a charge in the articles of impeachment passed against Mr. Clinton.

In some ways, Mr. Trump is employing a version of Mr. Clinton’s strategy, albeit on steroids. During Mr. Starr’s investigation, Mr. Clinton repeatedly sought to block testimony or documents, only to be overruled by the courts, just as Mr. Nixon was in the Supreme Court’s groundbreaking and unanimous U.S. v. Nixon decision. Unlike Mr. Trump, Mr. Clinton finally agreed to testify under oath, although only after refusing six times and eventually being subpoenaed by Mr. Starr.

When the Republican-led House took up the matter, it did little original investigating of its own, relying primarily on Mr. Starr’s findings, so there were not the sort of subpoenas to resist the way Mr. Trump is doing now. But Mr. Clinton likewise felt outrage about the effort to impeach him, convinced that it was a partisan witch hunt, and he set about discrediting it with the public.

House Republicans rejected protections and limits sought by Mr. Clinton’s team, and his Democratic allies attacked the process, accused the other side of railroading the president and made it an us-versus-them fight to keep wavering Democrats on Mr. Clinton’s side. House Democrats privately called their strategy “win by losing,” reasoning that the more process motions they lost on partisan votes, the more illegitimate the effort would seem.

n the end, the House voted almost entirely on party lines to impeach Mr. Clinton and, with Democrats sticking by him, the Senate voted to acquit him after a trial — the scenario that, flipping the parties, looks most likely to repeat itself with Mr. Trump.

“In one respect, President Trump seems to be borrowing from the Clinton White House playbook,” said Ken Gormley, the author of “The Death of American Virtue” about Mr. Clinton’s battle with Mr. Starr. “He is attempting to throw gasoline over the entire impeachment process in the House and light a match in order to cause a conflagration and treat the entire process as illegitimate from the start.”

But, Mr. Gormley added, Mr. Trump is taking Mr. Clinton’s strategy even further by refusing any cooperation at all and advancing the theory that the impeachment is an unconstitutional effort to overturn the 2016 presidential election and therefore he can ignore it.

“Not surprisingly, President Trump is adopting a take-no-prisoners approach to this new threat that presents itself to his presidency, just has he has done, often with great success, when previous threats have presented themselves,” added Mr. Gormley, the president of Duquesne University.

While Democrats ponder going to court, Mr. Trump will take his case to the court of public opinion, or at least his base. He has scheduled three campaign rallies in the next week, starting Thursday in Minnesota, then Friday in Louisiana and then next Thursday in Texas.

It seems safe to assume that he will have something to say about impeachment.



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/us/politics/trump-case-against-impeachment.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

While Trump will be out campaigning, Kurdish fighters against IS will be killed by the Turks.
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Thu 10 Oct, 2019 12:34 pm
Quote:
Iranian women have attended a World Cup qualifier in Tehran after being freely allowed to enter a stadium for a men's match for the first time in decades.

Women have effectively been banned from stadiums when men are playing since just after the 1979 Islamic revolution.

The change followed the death of a fan who had set herself alight after being arrested for trying to attend a match.

But Amnesty International described the move on Thursday as a "cynical publicity stunt".

The human rights organisation said there were only a "token number" of tickets for female fans as it called for all restrictions on female attendance to be lifted.

More than 3,500 women bought tickets to Thursday's World Cup qualifier against Cambodia, where they were granted access to a special women's-only section of the Azadi Stadium. The stadium has a capacity of about 78,000.

The tickets for women reportedly sold out within minutes.

Photos from inside the stadium showed female football fans excitedly waiving Iranian flags and cheering on their team. They were elated to see Iran win the match 14-0.

"We had fun for three hours. All of us laughed, some of us cried because we were so happy," one woman posted on Twitter. "We had this experience very late in our life but I am so happy for younger girls who came to the stadium today."

Women were previously allowed into the Azadi Stadium to watch a screening of their team playing Spain in the 2018 World Cup. but Thursday was the first time in decades that they had been allowed to watch a game on Tehran's pitch.

The issue of gender discrimination in Iranian football came to global prominence last month when Sahar Khodayari, known as "blue girl" because of the team she supported, set fire to herself outside court while awaiting trial for trying to attend a match disguised as a man. The 29-year-old died a week later.

Football's governing body Fifa responded by stepping up pressure on Tehran to meet its commitments to allowing women to attend World Cup qualifiers.

It said this week that it would "stand firm" in ensuring that women had access to all football matches in Iran.

"It's not just about one match. We're not going to turn our eyes away from this," Fifa's head of education and social responsibility, Joyce Cook, told BBC Sport.

"We are firm and committed that all fans have an equal right, including women, to attend matches."

Saudi Arabia last year allowed women for the first time to attend a football match as part of an easing of strict rules on gender separation by the ultra-conservative Muslim country.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-50002658
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