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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Tue 8 Oct, 2019 08:53 am
@hightor,
The NYT is a disinformation giant in a industry with little or no integrity.
MontereyJack
 
  3  
Tue 8 Oct, 2019 09:03 am
@coldjoint,
Nonsense.
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MontereyJack
 
  5  
Tue 8 Oct, 2019 09:08 am
@coldjoint,
You must really have violated the TOS to get an apparent 90 day sentence. That may be a new record in ignominy.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Tue 8 Oct, 2019 09:12 am
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
You must really have violated the TOS to get an apparent 90 day sentence. That may be a new record in ignominy.

I had two years once. The truth hurts.
MontereyJack
 
  3  
Tue 8 Oct, 2019 09:24 am
@coldjoint,
A portrait in ignominy.
snood
 
  3  
Tue 8 Oct, 2019 09:26 am
Here’s something that might be good to contemplate. Americans have recently been polled at 58% in favor of impeachment. That’s before a single televised impeachment hearing. The public and the Republicans did not swing in favor of impeachment for Nixon until after the hearings made his actions clear to the general public.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Tue 8 Oct, 2019 09:32 am
@snood,
Quote:
That’s before a single televised impeachment hearing.

Because they are getting one side of the story coming out of secret meetings of the Democrats in the House. And planned leaks to a biased MSM. If, really when, Republicans get subpoena power things will turn around quickly. What they will uncover will tie into the IG's report and Durham's investigation. Then it is lights out for the Democrats as the biggest scandal ever involving our intelligence agencies and a former president are exposed.
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Tue 8 Oct, 2019 09:39 am
Here is one person the Democrats are shitting on. He and many others know exactly what is going on and now support Trump even more.
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blatham
 
  3  
Tue 8 Oct, 2019 09:44 am
@hightor,
That's a really good piece, hightor.
Quote:
Another popular fantasy about conspiracy theories is that they hold governments to account. In reality, conspiracy theories make accountability more difficult

That's the aspect that perhaps gets me most angry with those who forward them whether knowingly or not.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Tue 8 Oct, 2019 09:46 am
@MontereyJack,
A portrait of a spelling bee loser.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Tue 8 Oct, 2019 09:48 am
@blatham,
Quote:
That's a really good piece, hightor.

That right there is a good sign it is just more disinformation.
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blatham
 
  1  
Tue 8 Oct, 2019 09:56 am
@rev
Actually, I hope they don't move immediately to impeach as McConnell will certainly do anything/everything to limit the duration of a trial, as he has already suggested.

I think it would be smarter for the Dems to continue as now, bringing new evidence to view as it arises (god knows there will be more).

Edit: one piece of reporting I've just found states that the Republican majority could vote to immediately dismiss the charges against Trump without considering the evidence. If anyone finds that to be false, please let the rest of us know.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Tue 8 Oct, 2019 10:00 am
@blatham,
Quote:
bringing new evidence

What they have is not evidence. It is accusations and speculation. Anymore information will be the same unsubstantiated bullshit.
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revelette1
 
  2  
Tue 8 Oct, 2019 10:11 am
@blatham,
I disagree, we should strike while the iron is hot. In today's world, support turns on a dime.
blatham
 
  1  
Tue 8 Oct, 2019 10:15 am
@revelette1,
Note my edit above.
revelette1
 
  2  
Tue 8 Oct, 2019 10:32 am
@blatham,
Perhaps you are correct.

I am worried about the Trump administration not complying with the congressional power of the subpoenas. Apparently there are ways to force them to.

Quote:
The courts have long reaffirmed Congress’s constitutional authority to issue and enforce subpoenas. As the Congressional Research Service explained in 2017:

Congress has three formal methods by which it can combat non-compliance with a duly issued subpoena. Each of these methods invokes the authority of a separate branch of government. First, the long dormant inherent contempt power permits Congress to rely on its own constitutional authority to detain and imprison a contemnor until the individual complies with congressional demands. Second, the criminal contempt statute permits Congress to certify a contempt citation to the executive branch for the criminal prosecution of the contemnor. Finally, Congress may rely on the judicial branch to enforce a congressional subpoena. Under this procedure, Congress may seek a civil judgment from a federal court declaring that the individual in question is legally obligated to comply with the congressional subpoena.


https://www.lawfareblog.com/congressional-subpoena-power-and-executive-privilege-coming-showdown-between-branches

House democrats plan to issue a subpoena.

Quote:
Update: U.S. House Democrats said they plan to issue a subpoena on Tuesday for the U.S. ambassador to the European Union after the Trump administration blocked his planned appearance before lawmakers as part of Congress' impeachment probe.

"We consider this interference to be obstruction of the impeachment inquiry," the heads of the House intelligence, foreign affairs and oversight panels said after the State Department blocked the diplomat, Gordon Sondland, from appearing before Congress earlier on Tuesday.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democrats-plan-subpoena-for-us-ambassador-to-eu-in-impeachment-probe/ar-AAIslLU?ocid=spartanntp

So if Sondland doesn't show up, they hold him contempt and arrest him. The power is there, it has just been in dormat, not used I guess.
coluber2001
 
  4  
Tue 8 Oct, 2019 10:35 am

2016
Donald Trump’s Paradoxical Cult of Personality

By Robert Tracinski
Has there ever been a cult of personality built around a personality so unpleasant?

The answer, by the way, is “yes,” but more about that in a moment.


After Donald Trump’s bombastic performance in last week’s debate, it’s clear that the key to his appeal is not his policy positions, which are all over the map. No, it’s all about his personality, and the paradox is that the more unpleasant his personality is revealed to be, the greater his appeal to his core group of supporters.

For example, one of my readers responded to my article criticizing the new EPA rules on power plants by touting Trump as the only candidate with “the balls” to dismantle the EPA. In reality, there is no basis in Trump’s background, his ideology (if he had one), or his public statements to think he would do anything in particular with the EPA. But that’s how Trump is regarded: as a cure for what ails you, as an all-purpose tonic for whatever somebody thinks is wrong with our current system.

People are projecting onto Trump what they want to see.
People are projecting onto Trump what they want to see. They are pouring into him their fantasies about what could be accomplished by a strong leader who doesn’t care about making people angry. But that’s a dangerous fantasy to indulge.

To be sure, every presidential election is about personality. We are electing a leader who is going to make important decisions and will have to stick to them in the face of opposition. So when we look at a candidate, we’re not just looking at the values he endorses, the ideas he claims to believe, or the specific platform he has announced. We’re also asking whether he’s the sort of person who really means what he says, whether he has the guts to stand up to opposition, whether he has the charisma to rally other people to his cause, and whether he has the negotiating skills to broker deals without getting taken for a ride.


But there’s a difference between this kind of judgment about character and a cult of personality. The cult of personality is a general faith in the leader—whereas a considered judgment about a candidate is based on specific facts about the candidate’s record and past performance. So we might look to a candidate’s record in the Senate. Did he stand up against legislative cave-ins? Has he shown a willingness to buck the establishment? Or we might look to his term as governor. Did he accomplish something important? Has he faced down opposition without folding?

The GOP has plenty of people with pretty good records on this. Ted Cruz and Rand Paul have shown they’re not afraid to lock horns with the GOP establishment. Scott Walker and Chris Christie have pushed through state-level reforms against vicious opposition. You may not like the specific positions of some of these candidates—the overlaps between Chris Christie supporters and Rand Paul sympathizers has got to be pretty much nil. But there’s almost certainly someone other than Trump in this race who has a longer, more consistent track record for promoting any particular policy preferences.

Support for Trump is about how loudly and recklessly he’s willing to break things
That’s not what support for Trump is about. Support for Trump is not about what a candidate has actually done. It’s about how loudly and recklessly he’s willing to break things. Support for Trump is a protest vote, but not a rationally considered protest vote in favor of a specific cause. It’s an expression of general, unfocused rage. Trump supporters just want someone who’s willing to turn over the tables and call people names and burn the place down. And that’s why the more unpleasant Trump is—the more he insults lady reporters and boasts about how rich he is, the more he thumps his chest about how sexy he is and calls everybody else a loser—the more they love him.

The result is a disturbing kind of cult of personality. I asked earlier about precedents for unpleasant personalities as the basis of a cult. Well, consider the original editions of the “cult of personality,” the ones built up around Stalin and Mao. Or more recently, the one built around Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez. All of these men had a certain blustering charisma, much like The Donald, but they could be even more abrasive, boastful, thoughtless, insulting, and crude. And each benefited from the same paradox: the less he adhered to any standards of responsible behavior the more he thrilled his true believers with what a tough guy he was, with how much he was supposedly a strong leader who would face down the capitalist running dog imperialist fascists and deliver for “the people.”

Changing the political system is patient work that takes decades.

It seems strange that this kind of banana republic cult of personality would find purchase in a republican system (republican with either a small “r” or a big one), but maybe that’s not such an impenetrable paradox. Stable systems of representative government are notoriously slow and resistant to radical change. You can elect a lot of new people to Congress, as insurgents on the right have done in recent years, but the old party leadership stubbornly clings to their positions, and if the last winner of a presidential election is opposed to your agenda, then congressional leaders can’t get much done even if they try. Changing the political system is patient work that takes decades, and most of it is done, not by electing the “right guy” in a single election, but by promoting the right ideas to your fellow citizens and actually convincing people, which is really annoying work.

What doesn’t get the job done is, from my experience, the favorite activity of Donald Trump’s supporters: insulting people on the Internet. So no wonder they want to short-circuit the system and indulge the fantasy that they can push through their agenda, whatever it is, just by electing a guy who will insult people on a bigger scale.

There will always be those who lose patience and long for someone to sweep in and knock everything over and be strong enough to bring everyone to heel. That’s a dangerous illusion, though there are some people who want it enough not to care what their strong man really stands for. But I suspect it’s much smaller number than some of the inflated early poll numbers for Trump would imply.


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oralloy
 
  -4  
Tue 8 Oct, 2019 10:39 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:
I am worried about the Trump administration not complying with the congressional power of the subpoenas. Apparently there are ways to force them to.

The Democrats can try the courts. But since the Democrats are just pretending to hold an impeachment inquiry without actually voting to formally launch one, they might not have much of a case to present in court.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Tue 8 Oct, 2019 10:44 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
what a dunb idea.

Not at all. I personally don't believe that we'll see a Democratic president anytime soon. But regardless of whether the next Democratic president is elected in 2020 or 2040, the time to start impeachment proceedings against them will be the day that they take office.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Tue 8 Oct, 2019 10:56 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
one piece of reporting I've just found states that the Republican majority could vote to immediately dismiss the charges against Trump without considering the evidence. If anyone finds that to be false, please let the rest of us know.

Your "Look everyone! I think what that person over there thinks!" game is getting a bit rusty.

You should just tell everyone that you think what I think. That way your faux thinking will be a bit more cutting edge and you'll be able to regurgitate ideas a couple weeks sooner than otherwise.

http://able2know.org/topic/532273-4#post-6904783
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