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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
giujohn
 
  -2  
Wed 1 Feb, 2017 12:15 pm
@Frugal1,
Frugal1 wrote:

Libtards have gone bat excrement crazy... it's great fun watching their heads full of mush explode every time Trump does another great thing for the American people.


Keep em coming Frug...I think they are funnier than ****!
hightor
 
  4  
Wed 1 Feb, 2017 12:20 pm
@giujohn,
Quote:
All this resistance to ANYTHING Trump tries will disappear like water on a hot rock after the next

Hey, wait a second — I thought he was supposed to be making us safe? And now you're counting on a "major terrorist attack on us soil"? Yeah, great — cause a huge upheaval in the State Department, throw Immigration into disarray, cause many innocent people to suffer and it doesn't even accomplish the goal. If we get hit it won't look good for Mr. Little Hands — even the Trumpenproletariat will turn on him.
Olivier5
 
  7  
Wed 1 Feb, 2017 12:21 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

The political value of a revolutionary narrative is evident not merely in Sanders' run but in Trump/Bannon as well (not to mention the Tea Party and Occupy movements or what's happening in Europe). Leaving aside the very complex questions as to why this is happening, ...

That's precisely your mistake, I would argue. You should study the reasons why this is happening because such an enquiry holds the key to the correct response. Frustration and doubts building up about the efficacy of incremental change, the "Washington is broke" discourse, this is not just an American phenomenon. Western democracy as we know it is increasingly seen as in crisis, in a state of paralysis. I for one believes this observation is correct.

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... we can probably say with a lot of certainty that this is one hell of a dangerous horse to climb up on and Trump proves this warning as well as anything could.

The idea that incremental change is better than wholesale change has a lot of credit and a distinguished philosophical tradition behind it (eg Popper). What this traditional view of democracy boils down to is prudence. Prudence with utopic thinking in particular. We can't blame the West for being afraid of radical change after Stalin and Hitler.

Unforunately, over the years this aversion to radical change has led to paralysis in the face of new challenges: the growth of paid-for politics and science; the progressive bureaucratisation of society; the growth of economic inequalities; the slow fossilisation of labor unions and political parties; the appearance of electronic means of communication and surveillance; etc.

Our democracies has been shaped by these forces, corrupted often, strengthened sometimes. We're in new territory now: a situation where the possibilities for incremental change have been willingly paralysed.

That's why people nowadays have a greater appetite for radical change.

My sense is that we should never have taken radical change off the table. You can't always be a small-risk-small-gain player. Sometimes a society needs to take big risks. It may pay off handsomely to stray outside the beaten path once in a while.
Frugal1
 
  -4  
Wed 1 Feb, 2017 12:27 pm
@giujohn,
Libtards have perfected comedic misery.
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cicerone imposter
 
  4  
Wed 1 Feb, 2017 12:31 pm
@Olivier5,
I agree with you on philosophical terms, but fear seems to take over most common sense actions by people and governments.
Our country has had in place a very good vetting system for immigrants to enter our country, and yet Trump's megaphone on fear has taken over the landscape.
I was happy to see the women of the world demonstrate against this demagogue we call our president. It's good to see that his approval rating is one of the lowest of any president. This narcissist's thin skin and ego will be damaged.
MontereyJack
 
  6  
Wed 1 Feb, 2017 12:33 pm
@Frugal1,
Donald trump is the batshit crazy one. Wait til he starts ******* you over--it's inevitably coming. He only cares about hisbottom line, not you.
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Olivier5
 
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Wed 1 Feb, 2017 12:43 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I'm happy to see demonstrations too, but they don't change a thing. Occupy Wall Street, so what? What has the Women March achieved? Sure, Trump's ego is bruised. That's fine I guess but it's a pretty low hanging fruit...
Frugal1
 
  -4  
Wed 1 Feb, 2017 12:50 pm
Libtards, both of them.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3lnQfAWQAA0QbM.jpg
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Wed 1 Feb, 2017 12:53 pm
@Olivier5,
I think those demonstrations are important to show Trump and his supporters that many are not happy with him as president. To show Trump that he really doesn't have a mandate. His first EO's are so unpopular, the people around the world spoke. His approval rating shows how unpopular he is.

The average approval rating of past presidents is 53%. Trump's approval rating is 45%.
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giujohn
 
  -1  
Wed 1 Feb, 2017 12:55 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

On 9/11:
Quote:
Four passenger airliners operated by two major U.S. passenger air carriers (United Airlines and American Airlines) — all of which departed from airports on the northeastern United States bound for California — were hijacked by 19 al-Qaeda terrorists.


We all know how it ended up for Bin Laden.

All airlines around the world now have security measures to prevent a recurrence.


That's wonderful CI...We locked the barn after the horse was stolen.

Don't think they'll try that again huh? Do ya think they're out of ideas maybe?

I can think of a way to bring this country to its knees with less than $100, 6 people and they wouldn't even have to die in the effort.
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old europe
 
  3  
Wed 1 Feb, 2017 01:01 pm
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:
All this resistance to ANYTHING Trump tries will disappear like water on a hot rock after the next major terrorist attack on us soil.

And make no mistake about it boys and girls... It's coming to a neighborhood near you soon.


Hoping for a major terrorist attack, so the opposition gets squashed and your leader can rule unopposed?

That's a very totalitarian mindset. Not very patriotic.
giujohn
 
  -1  
Wed 1 Feb, 2017 01:02 pm
@hightor,
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giujohn
 
  -2  
Wed 1 Feb, 2017 01:05 pm
@old europe,
old europe wrote:

giujohn wrote:
All this resistance to ANYTHING Trump tries will disappear like water on a hot rock after the next major terrorist attack on us soil.

And make no mistake about it boys and girls... It's coming to a neighborhood near you soon.


Hoping for a major terrorist attack, so the opposition gets squashed and your leader can rule unopposed?

That's a very totalitarian mindset. Not very patriotic.
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Typical LEFTIST revisionist bullshit...Show me where I used the word hope.
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cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Wed 1 Feb, 2017 01:06 pm
@giujohn,
The real president is a con and fraud. You just don't understand Trump's history of bigotry and scamming. Do some research; there's plenty of fact checked articles out there.
ehBeth
 
  2  
Wed 1 Feb, 2017 01:09 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
That's why people nowadays have a greater appetite for radical change.

My sense is that we should never have taken radical change off the table. You can't always be a small-risk-small-gain player. Sometimes a society needs to take big risks. It may pay off handsomely to stray outside the beaten path once in a while.


it definitely worked for Justin Trudeau. He came from being an unranked player to being the Canadian prime minister. I didn't vote him, won't for him in the future, but it was amazing to watch that campaign in action.
Frugal1
 
  -4  
Wed 1 Feb, 2017 01:13 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Do you ever tire from posting unsubstantiated bullshit, cice?
Baldimo
 
  1  
Wed 1 Feb, 2017 01:15 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
He came from being an unranked player to being the Canadian prime minister.

Wasn't his father PM at one point?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 1 Feb, 2017 01:23 pm
@Frugal1,
What's unsubstantiated?
Trump' bigotry; http://m.huffpost.com/us/vertical/world
Trump's scams; https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/even-trumps-charity-is-a-scam/2016/09/14/9463468a-79ee-11e6-bd86-b7bbd53d2b5d_story.html?client=safari
blatham
 
  3  
Wed 1 Feb, 2017 01:24 pm
@Olivier5,
Quote:
That's precisely your mistake, I would argue. You should study the reasons why this is happening because such an enquiry holds the key to the correct response. Frustration and doubts building up about the efficacy of incremental change, the "Washington is broke" discourse, this is not just an American phenomenon. Western democracy as we know it is increasingly seen as in crisis, in a state of paralysis. I for one believes this observation is correct.
But whom should I study? Where do you turn for proper analysis here? Economists? Social scientists/historians? Political thinkers? Serious question - who has led you to the conclusions you voice here? Let's start there. You make points I agree with, others I do not.
 

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