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blatham
 
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Fri 6 Sep, 2019 02:50 pm
Quote:
Bill Kristol
@BillKristol
“Trump is not just soliciting Ukraine’s help with his presidential campaign; he is using U.S. military aid the country desperately needs in an attempt to extort it.”
Kristol links to this WP piece
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Lash
 
  2  
Fri 6 Sep, 2019 02:51 pm
@georgeob1,
Check the polls/ percentages of people who prefer Medicare for All and real action on climate change. The world has substantially changed since 2016.
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Lash
 
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Fri 6 Sep, 2019 02:54 pm
@blatham,
Island people will be migrating to large land masses. There is no reason to re-fit islands for human habitation. We’ll require that money for climate adaptation and sourcing food and clean water.
georgeob1
 
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Fri 6 Sep, 2019 03:01 pm
@blatham,
I simply used a term, "progressive" which they ( Democrat candidates) have applied to themselves. In general I don't assign much precision or accuracy to such labels and I certainly don't make the fine distinctions you appear to be making. The various proposals most of these candidates have recently made with respect to the environment & energy management, taxation and Federal subsidies for health care, education and many other matters are both economically infeasible and well beyond anything enacted or proposed by Obama.. More significantly, they are, in my view, strongly opposed by most American voters, though likely supported by many Democrats.

These candidates, and many of their passionate followers do indeed appear to be reinforcing each other and 'listening only to themselves' (and adoring media supporters).. Polling results, this early in the process, is generally highly inaccurate, and Trump has generally done better than his polls indicate.

I believe Trump will win by a fairly large margin in the coming election, and that the growing radicalization of the Democrat Party will be judged to have been a factor in his win.

blatham
 
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Fri 6 Sep, 2019 03:41 pm
@georgeob1,
Quote:
I simply used a term, "progressive" which they ( Democrat candidates) have applied to themselves.
I can't recall instances of any candidate other than Sanders self-describing as progressive, though I might have that wrong. Do you have some such instances in mind?

Quote:
[the Dem candidates's policies] are, in my view, strongly opposed by most American voters
You don't have to merely trust in your notion here. And you shouldn't. Many of these policy ideas and values have been well polled. For example, 70% of Americans support healthcare for all and Nearly 70 percent of Americans, including a majority of Republicans, want the United States to take “aggressive” action to combat climate change

Quote:
These candidates, and many of their passionate followers do indeed appear to be reinforcing each other and 'listening only to themselves' (and adoring media supporters)
This really doesn't make much sense as you frame it george. Is consensus and/or consensus-building not a constant phenomenon for any party in any period in any semi-democratic nation? Is Trump and the Republican base somehow different?

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izzythepush
 
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Fri 6 Sep, 2019 04:37 pm
Quote:
A leading secular politician in Turkey has been sentenced to nearly 10 years in jail for "terror propaganda and insults" against the Turkish state.

Canan Kaftancioglu, 47, was convicted mainly over tweets which date back several years.

She has said the charges were politically motivated and remains free pending an appeal.

She heads the main opposition Republican People's Party (CHP) in Istanbul, the country's largest city.

Kaftancioglu played a key in the CHP's triumph in Istanbul's mayoral election in June, defeating the governing AKP party.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49613074
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neptuneblue
 
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Fri 6 Sep, 2019 04:59 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
Island people will be migrating to large land masses. There is no reason to re-fit islands for human habitation. We’ll require that money for climate adaptation and sourcing food and clean water.


Nope.

Sometimes I think you say things right off the cuff without thinking it through. There is no indication that will happen. Identify your source.
blatham
 
  2  
Fri 6 Sep, 2019 05:13 pm
@neptuneblue,
Actually, I think Lash's point bears consideration. I had been thinking of the humanitarian tragedy unfolding but with ocean levels rising and increasing intensity of these storms, we are going to have to rethink some stuff. I'm not up to date on the models so not sure of time frames but outside of that, her point is valid.
neptuneblue
 
  0  
Fri 6 Sep, 2019 05:21 pm
@blatham,
I think it's full of ****.

If that were the case, anybody on a coastline would evacuate, anybody on a river, anybody even remotely close to a volcano, fault line, gorge, cliff, tornado zone, hurricane zone or snow belt will just give up their land and say, **** IT!!"

Nope. Don't see it.
blatham
 
  4  
Fri 6 Sep, 2019 05:21 pm
This is not small
Quote:
The New Yorker got a hold of a set files created by a now-deceased GOP gerrymandering guru, whose work for North Carolina Republicans was at the heart of this week’s monumental partisan gerrymandering ruling.

Republicans have fought tooth and nail to keep under wraps the back-up computer files of the redistricting expert Thomas Hofeller — whose estranged daughter found them at her mother’s house — particularly after materials in the files threw a major wrench in the census citizenship question litigation earlier this year.

In reviewing the files — which the New Yorker obtained despite a continuing legal dispute over preventing their release — the magazine said that they contained evidence that Hofeller’s work for the North Carolina GOP extended beyond the partisan gerrymandered maps and raised questions about a potentially unconstitutional use of race in the other projects he undertook in the state. The files also shed new light on his involvement in voting issues elsewhere in the country, the New Yorker said.

Here are the four biggest reveals:

How he split an historically black college into two congressional districts

Hofeller drew two notorious North Carolina districts that appeared to dilute the black vote by splitting a historically black college as well as its surrounding community in half. According to the New Yorker, Hofeller collected extremely detailed data about the students at North Carolina A&T — down to the racial breakdown of each residence hall and which students were less likely to have the ID required by the state to vote — even as GOP lawmakers claimed the map was designed to maximize their partisan advantage, rather than discriminate against voters based on race.

His involvement in North Carolina’s voter ID lawsuit

His files showed he did thorough research into the effect of a voter ID law the state passed in 2013, according to the New Yorker, though most of his data-collection appears to have been done after the litigation over the law began. The files suggest that Hofeller gave the GOP attorneys defending the law advice on the data analysis they should do as they worked on the case.

Hofeller looked at the racial breakdown of a judicial election map

Looking at the files related to the 2017 North Carolina judicial district map Hofeller drew, the New Yorker found that he had created an overlap for the map analyzing each district’s black voting-age population. That suggests “that these maps—which are currently at the center of a protracted legal battle—might also be a racial gerrymander,” the New Yorker said.

New revelations about his involvement in other states

While it was known that Hofeller was involved in the GOP redistricting work in states beyond just North Carolina, the files, according to the New Yorker, give new details of what that involvement looked like. In Florida, for instance, where partisan gerrymandering is banned by the state’s constitution, Hofeller was in touch with GOP operatives who went on to draw maps that “matched” the ones eventually adopted in 2011 (and that were later thrown out by a court). Florida Republican officials had denied being involved in crafting the legislature’s redistricting scheme.
TPM
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blatham
 
  2  
Fri 6 Sep, 2019 05:24 pm
Classy crowd, the modern GOP
Quote:
AZ GOP Vows To Stop Mark Kelly — Husband Of Gabby Giffords — ‘Dead In His Tracks’
TPM
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farmerman
 
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Fri 6 Sep, 2019 05:24 pm
@blatham,
does this also trend to better enforced "Coastal Zone" management and real estate law?
Since the East Coast of the US displays "Trailing edge" tectonics, the coasta zones are mostly long estuaries with tidal marshes and relatively flat areas, we ill see the Coastal Plains get submereged fairly rapidly as sea levels rise. I dont feel comfortable funding the rebuilding of these large Mickey Mansions along the coastal dunes .
Over topped by flood once , maybe, anything after that , its on the owners.

Weve had two massive beach replensihment programs in Delaware in the last 10 years.Its all because we cannot say "STOP" enough building these trophy houses in areas that nver should be built upon. Realtors."Developers" and Builders have too much damned say in State Govts.
blatham
 
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Fri 6 Sep, 2019 05:40 pm
@farmerman,
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does this also trend to better enforced "Coastal Zone" management and real estate law?
Absofuckinglutely!
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blatham
 
  2  
Fri 6 Sep, 2019 05:46 pm
@neptuneblue,
Volcanoes, faultlines, etc are different. Nearby areas can remain safely inhabitable for centuries. But sea level rise and storm intensity mean coastal areas that cannot be protected (which is surely most everywhere) will become uninhabitable and stay that way.
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blatham
 
  4  
Fri 6 Sep, 2019 10:42 pm
@georgeob1,
Any chance you might cite your data sources?
snood
 
  3  
Fri 6 Sep, 2019 10:45 pm
@blatham,
Don’t hold your breath
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MontereyJack
 
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Fri 6 Sep, 2019 11:36 pm
@georgeob1,
Pretty much every coastal city in the world, and every major scientific body in the world, no mstter what their politics are, would disagree with you.
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neptuneblue
 
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Fri 6 Sep, 2019 11:50 pm
Sea level rise
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This article is about the recent and projected rise in the world's average sea level associated with global warming. For sea level in general, see Sea level.

Sea level observations between 1993 and November 2018.

Historical sea level reconstruction and projections up to 2100 published in January 2017 by the U.S. Global Change Research Program for the Fourth National Climate Assessment.[1]

Since at least the start of the 20th century, the average global sea level has been rising. Between 1900 and 2016, the sea level rose by 16–21 cm (6.3–8.3 in).[2] More precise data gathered from satellite radar measurements reveal an accelerating rise of 7.5 cm (3.0 in) from 1993 to 2017,[3]:1554 which is a trend of roughly 30 cm (12 in) per century. This acceleration is due mostly to human-caused global warming, which is driving thermal expansion of seawater and the melting of land-based ice sheets and glaciers.[4] Between 1993 and 2018, thermal expansion of the oceans contributed 42% to sea level rise; the melting of temperate glaciers, 21%; Greenland, 15%; and Antarctica, 8%. Climate scientists expect the rate to further accelerate during the 21st century.[5]:62

Projecting future sea level is challenging, due to the complexity of many aspects of the climate system. As climate research into past and present sea levels leads to improved computer models, projections have consistently increased. For example, in 2007 the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) projected a high end estimate of 60 cm (2 ft) through 2099,[6] but their 2014 report raised the high-end estimate to about 90 cm (3 ft).[7] A number of later studies have concluded that a global sea level rise of 200 to 270 cm (6.6 to 8.9 ft) this century is "physically plausible".[8][3][9] A conservative estimate of the long-term projections is that each Celsius degree of temperature rise triggers a sea level rise of approximately 2.3 meters (4.2 ft/degree Fahrenheit) over a period of two millennia: an example of climate inertia.[2]

The sea level will not rise uniformly everywhere on Earth, and it will even drop in some locations.[10] Local factors include tectonic effects and subsidence of the land, tides, currents and storms. Sea level rises can influence human populations considerably in coastal and island regions.[11] Widespread coastal flooding is expected with several degrees of warming sustained for millennia.[12] Further effects are higher storm-surges and more dangerous tsunamis, displacement of populations, loss and degradation of agricultural land and damage in cities.[13][14][15] Natural environments like marine ecosystems are also affected, with fish, birds and plants losing parts of their habitat.[16]

Societies can respond to sea level rise in three different ways: to retreat, to accommodate and to protect. Sometimes these adaptation strategies go hand in hand, but at other times choices have to be made among different strategies.[17] Ecosystems that adapt to rising sea levels by moving inland might not always be able to do so, due to natural or artificial barriers.[18]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise
RABEL222
 
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Sat 7 Sep, 2019 12:15 am
Has anyone bothered to look at the damage done to the Bahamas? That is the result of change that most conservatives refuse to admit to.
 

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