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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
revelette1
 
  2  
Fri 30 Aug, 2019 01:48 pm
@RABEL222,
I don't know who would be left to fire. Barr is set to spend a lot money for his Christmas party at one of Trump's hotels (whatever), doubt he would get rid of Barr. If that was their best shot at "Deep State" it's laughable.
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hightor
 
  4  
Fri 30 Aug, 2019 03:07 pm
@revelette1,
Thanks for posting the article on mob rule and the Electoral College — I've been out all day and just saw it now. Very pertinent.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Fri 30 Aug, 2019 03:55 pm
@revelette1,
Quote:
Defenders claim that the Electoral College protects against this outcome because the nation's 538 electors can theoretically ignore the mob's desire, cast their electoral votes for a more just candidate instead.

That isn't the argument at all.

If high-population states have a huge voter turnout because of a ballot initiative that makes people want to go to the polls, then the impact that that state has on the national popular vote will outweigh the states where there is no hot issue driving voters to the polls.

With the electoral college, each state has an allotted amount of national influence based on their population. If there is a huge surge of voters in one state because of some local issue, that state does not get an unfairly disproportionate say in the national election.
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Lash
 
  -2  
Fri 30 Aug, 2019 04:07 pm
@hightor,
You brought that article a couple of months ago😂
blatham
 
  2  
Fri 30 Aug, 2019 05:55 pm
@Lash,
As hightor said, the placement of that piece here, following recent posts, is entirely pertinent.
blatham
 
  2  
Fri 30 Aug, 2019 05:59 pm
Quote:
A new Inside Elections poll finds Democrat Dan McCready with a four point lead in the closely watched North Carolina special House election, in a district that Trump won by over 10 points.
poll here
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Lash
 
  -2  
Fri 30 Aug, 2019 06:17 pm
@blatham,
Did anyone dispute that? You’re lawyering overtime.
blatham
 
  3  
Fri 30 Aug, 2019 06:25 pm
@Lash,
So the point of your laughing-so-hard-you're-crying post was what? You presume you recollect hightor's prior posts better than he himself remembers them? That a reference to relevant data on a political question can only be posted once?
Lash
 
  -2  
Fri 30 Aug, 2019 06:33 pm
@blatham,
Don’t lose any sleep over it.
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glitterbag
 
  4  
Fri 30 Aug, 2019 10:57 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

So the point of your laughing-so-hard-you're-crying post was what? You presume you recollect hightor's prior posts better than he himself remembers them? That a reference to relevant data on a political question can only be posted once?


She may not realize she posts the same thing over and over and over
blatham
 
  3  
Fri 30 Aug, 2019 11:51 pm
@glitterbag,
She does know that. She's jealous of hightor's knowledge and intelligence and she's responded like a messed up 12 year old.
Builder
 
  0  
Fri 30 Aug, 2019 11:56 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
You’re lawyering overtime.


In online etiquette, what they're doing, is called dog-piling.

And yeah, phunny to watch for a bit of a lark.
glitterbag
 
  3  
Sat 31 Aug, 2019 01:06 am
@blatham,
Yeah, but to be fair, we are all jealous of Hightor...
Lash
 
  1  
Sat 31 Aug, 2019 01:09 am
@Builder,
Yeah. It seems pretty clear that’s all Third Way Centrists have left to them. They utterly failed the country, so now they’re left to try to gang up and bitch at people who are responding to their crushing failure by rejecting their party, their policies, and their corrupt figureheads.

Good riddance to losers.
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glitterbag
 
  2  
Sat 31 Aug, 2019 01:26 am
@Builder,
I think it's a Bugs Bunny phenom.....but maybe you Ozzies didn't see those old cartoons...Well, not all of Oz, probably just you.
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hightor
 
  4  
Sat 31 Aug, 2019 04:09 am
@Baldimo,
It's an anachronism, folks:

Fix the Electoral College — Or Scrap It

“Faithless electors” are the least of its problems.

Quote:
If you were looking for the perfect distillation of how dysfunctional the American system of electing the president is, it would be hard to top last week’s federal appeals court ruling allowing “electors” — the members of the Electoral College — to vote for whomever they want, rather than the candidate they were pledged to support.

“Wait,” you might say, “someone I’ve never even heard of can just throw out my vote for president?”

Well, yes. Or maybe not.

First some background: Micheal Baca was a Democratic elector in Colorado in 2016, pledged to Hillary Clinton, who won the state. Mr. Baca believed Mr. Trump’s electoral victory posed an existential threat to the country, so he began a campaign, with a Democratic elector in Washington State, to persuade electors of both parties to break their pledges and vote for someone they might agree was qualified for the job — like John Kasich, the former Ohio governor and 2016 Republican presidential candidate. If there were enough “faithless electors,” either Mr. Kasich would be president or the electoral vote would be deadlocked and the election thrown to the House.

While almost no one else joined Mr. Baca’s cause, he cast his ballot for Mr. Kasich anyway, in symbolic protest. In doing so he broke a Colorado law requiring electors pledged to the person who wins the state’s popular vote to cast their ballot for that candidate. The state replaced him with an elector who voted for Mrs. Clinton. Mr. Baca sued, saying that Colorado’s law — similar to those in more than two dozen states — violated his right to cast his electoral vote however he chose, as the framers intended.

Citing Alexander Hamilton’s dictum that the College ensured that “the office of President will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications,” Mr. Baca and his allies called themselves “Hamilton electors.”

The Aug. 20 ruling from a three-judge panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit, in Denver, backed up his constitutional claim.

The decision was the reverse of a ruling by the Washington State Supreme Court in May that upheld that state’s law imposing a fine of $1,000 on three faithless electors, including Mr. Baca’s ally. That court noted that the Constitution gives states near-total authority over electors.

If the United States Supreme Court steps in to resolve the conflicting rulings, it will of course note that Hamilton’s vision has not been a reality for more than 200 years. After electors unanimously chose the nonpartisan George Washington in the first two elections, national political parties developed and electors became partisan actors who voted for their party’s candidate.

In other words, electors aren’t distinguished citizens weighing whether the people have made a wise decision on their presidential ballot; they are men and women chosen because of their partisan loyalty. So it’s understandable that after years of tightly contested elections, Americans are aghast that an elector would dare to substitute his judgment for the will of the people.

But even if Mr. Baca were to win a Supreme Court ruling, not much would change. Outside of a few scattered symbolic protests, electors are almost never truly faithless, even when there’s no law stopping them. Consider the 2000 election, when George W. Bush won states representing 271 electoral votes — just one more than the minimum he needed to prevail. Despite losing the popular vote to Al Gore, Mr. Bush didn’t lose a single elector.

If states were forbidden from determining how their electors vote, parties would only be more careful about vetting prospective electors.

The point is that faithless electors are not the real problem. What really disregards the will of the people is the winner-take-all rule currently used by every state but Maine and Nebraska. Giving all electors to the winner of the statewide popular vote erases the votes of citizens in the political minority — say, the 4.5 million people who voted for Donald Trump in California, or the 3.9 million who voted for Hillary Clinton in Texas. Nationwide, this was the fate of 55 million people in 2016, or 42 percent of the country’s electorate.

The winner-take-all rule encourages campaigns to focus on closely divided battleground states, where a swing of even a few hundred votes can move a huge bloc of electors — creating presidents out of popular-vote losers, like George W. Bush and Donald Trump. This violates the central democratic (or, if you prefer, republican) premises of political equality and majority rule.

What most people don’t realize is that the winner-take-all rule exists nowhere in the Constitution. It’s a pure creation of the states. They can award their electors by congressional district, as Maine and Nebraska do, or in proportion to the state’s popular vote, as several states have considered.

Or they could award them to the candidate who wins the most votes nationwide, regardless of the state outcome. That’s the elegant approach of the National Popular Vote interstate compact, which achieves a popular vote not by abolishing the College but by using it as the framers designed it — as a state-based institution. So far 15 states and the District of Columbia, with 196 electoral votes among them, have joined the compact, promising to award their electors to the national vote-winner. The compact goes into effect once it is joined by states representing 270 electoral votes — the bare majority needed to become president — thus guaranteeing the White House to the candidate who won the most votes.

Critics say that relying on the popular vote would allow the presidency to be decided by the big cities on the coasts, but big cities don’t come close to having enough votes to swing a national election. At the same time, the Electoral College doesn’t do any of the things its defenders claim it does. For example, it doesn’t force candidates to win nationwide support, and it doesn’t protect smaller states, since winner-take-all rules give far more influence to larger states, especially battlegrounds.

It’s unlikely that battleground states will abandon winner-take-all on their own, since it would lessen their political power. But right now a constitutional amendment to eliminate it would be as unlikely as one eliminating the Electoral College itself. Despite more than 700 proposals for amendments to reform or abolish the Electoral College — by far the most of any provision of the Constitution — it has remained.

The College has survived not because it makes sense, but because one party or the other has believed it gives them an advantage. That may be smart politics, but it’s terrible for a democracy.

nyt

Now, look at this statement:
Baldimo wrote:
When you fail to win by the established rules, you seek to change the rules so you can win.


Compare this with the original intent as noted in the editorial and the sentence put in bold at the end.

Baldimo wrote:
Everything the left doesn't like is an anachronism.


Yeah, funny about that, isn't it — things like racial discrimination, corporate personhood, unregulated industry, income disparity, nativism, gunboat diplomacy, and the 2nd Amendment.
hightor
 
  6  
Sat 31 Aug, 2019 04:13 am
@glitterbag,
Quote:
Yeah, but to be fair, we are all jealous of Hightor...

It's just because I have a perfect IQ — I scored 100!!!

(If you add my BMI it's even higher!)
oralloy
 
  -3  
Sat 31 Aug, 2019 04:14 am
@hightor,
If we transport all the progressives down to Guantanamo and house them with their terrorist buddies, that will prevent them from destroying our Constitution and our civil liberties.
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blatham
 
  2  
Sat 31 Aug, 2019 07:38 am
@hightor,
Quote:
It's just because I have a perfect IQ — I scored 100!!!
You bastard!
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revelette1
 
  3  
Sat 31 Aug, 2019 08:13 am
Quote:
President Trump has called it “the hottest thing going,” a multibillion-dollar tax break designed to channel investments into poor neighborhoods, leading to new housing, businesses and jobs.

The tax benefit allows people to delay paying taxes on profits from stocks or other investments for years. To qualify, they have to direct their untaxed gains into federally certified regions known as opportunity zones. Profits on those investments are then tax-free.

While some money is flowing to poor communities, the most visible impact so far has been to set off a feeding frenzy among the wealthiest Americans. They are poised to reap billions in untaxed profits on high-end apartment buildings and hotels in trendy neighborhoods, storage facilities that employ only a handful of workers or student housing in bustling college towns.

Among those investing in opportunity zones: Mark Cuban, the billionaire owner of the Dallas Mavericks basketball team; Leon Cooperman, a hedge fund manager; Sidney Kohl, one of the developers of the department store chain; and Richard Forman, the former owner of the Forman Mills chain of clothing stores. Big banks like JPMorgan Chase and Goldman Sachs are getting into the mix, too.

Here are four high-profile beneficiaries of the tax break who have personal or professional connections to Mr. Trump.

A hotel in New Orleans

Anthony Scaramucci

The former White House communications director runs an investment company, SkyBridge Capital, that is using the opportunity-zone program to help build a new hotel, outfitted with an opulent restaurant and a rooftop pool, in the trendy Warehouse District of New Orleans.

Skybridge has raised more than $50 million from outside investors, and most of it is being used to help finance the hotel, which will likely be the first of numerous opportunity-zone projects financed by SkyBridge, according to Brett S. Messing, the company’s president.

Most of the money for this opportunity zone fund, Mr. Messing said, has come from about 50 different investors, who have sold houses or have cashed out on profits from private equity investments or hedge funds.

A luxury community in Miami

Richard LeFrak

Mr. LeFrak, a longtime confidante of Mr. Trump’s and a major campaign donor, is building a sprawling luxury residential community in the middle of an opportunity zone in Miami, though it’s unclear how much of the development’s funding will end up being tax-advantaged.

In an opportunity zone in Miami, Mr. LeFrak, who donated nearly $500,000 to Mr. Trump’s campaign and inauguration and is personally close to the president, is working with a Florida partner on a 183-acre project that is to include 12 residential towers and about 500,000 square feet of retail and commercial space.

“We are still evaluating it at this point,” said Daniel Salas, general counsel for the project, in an interview this summer.
Stu Loeser, a spokesman for Mr. LeFrak, said the company’s “analysis so far finds that the program wouldn’t work for more than 90 percent of the project.”

A Miami High rise

The Kushners

Jared Kushner’s family company owns or is in the process of buying at least a dozen properties in New York, New Jersey and Florida that are in opportunity zones. That includes a pair in Miami, where Kushner Companies plans to build a 393-apartment luxury high rise with sweeping views of Biscayne Bay, according to a company presentation for potential investors.

“Kushner Companies is considering the option of accessing opportunity zone funds,” the company said in a statement, but it added that the Miami project likely will not use them.

In addition, Cadre, an investment company co-founded by Mr. Kushner and his brother, Joshua, is raising hundreds of millions of dollars that it hopes to use on opportunity-zone projects.

An Apartment Building in New Jersey

Chris Christie

Mr. Christie, the former governor of New Jersey and a one-time adviser to Mr. Trump, has raised money for opportunity-zone investments, including an apartment building in Hackensack, N.J., and a self-storage center in Connecticut.


NYT
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