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Builder
 
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Fri 30 Aug, 2019 03:27 am
@hightor,
Quote:
No, because I'm not an "elector", just a voter .....


Is English your second language ? ? ?

Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Fri 30 Aug, 2019 04:08 am
@Builder,
Certainly electors might have voted, but those officials serving in an electoral college are commonly (in BE, AE etc) called elector.


(We did have those, too: the Prince-electors were the members of the electoral college that elected the Holy Roman Emperor.)
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hightor
 
  3  
Fri 30 Aug, 2019 04:19 am
@roger,
If someone could convince me of the relevance of either I might change my mind. But none of the 2nd Amendment proponents belongs to the "militia" as described in the document — it no longer exists. And the Electoral College just seems meaningless since electors nearly always follow the will of the voters and aren't likely to overturn the results of any election. The document was written in the 18th Century and our society has changed greatly since then.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Fri 30 Aug, 2019 04:33 am
@hightor,
The Second Amendment requires the government to have a militia. If the militia does not exist, that merely means that the Second Amendment is being violated, not that the Second Amendment is no longer relevant.

More to the point, the right to keep and bear arms extends to things other than the militia. We also have the right to keep and bear arms for private self defense. And that exists regardless of whether the militia exists.
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hightor
 
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Fri 30 Aug, 2019 04:56 am
@Builder,
Quote:

Is English your second language ? ? ?

Colloquially, the term "elector" isn't used that much here other than in reference to the Electoral College. We have "voter registration", the "League of Women Voters", and discussions about "rampant voter fraud". If I'd capitalized "Elector" that might have lessened your confusion but then you probably would've made some comment about common nouns not being capitalized or something. In any case you never attempted to deal with the question of whether having an Electoral College really insures that the USA is protected from mob rule which was the original topic of discussion:
Baldimo wrote:
The EC isn't undemocratic, it fact it is set in place to protect our Republic from mob rule.
.
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revelette1
 
  5  
Fri 30 Aug, 2019 08:38 am
Quote:
Why The Electoral College Does Not Protect Against Tyranny Or Mob Rule

One of the most common arguments defenders of the Electoral College make (other than that it protects small states) is that the institution protects us against the tyranny of the majority or against mob rule. The idea is that if our President were elected by a popular vote, it could lead to a form of tyranny in which a mob (in this case the mob is over 60 million Americans) elects a President who, once in office, works only of behalf of those who elected them and oppresses their opposition. Defenders claim that the Electoral College protects against this outcome because the nation’s 538 electors can theoretically ignore the mob’s desire, cast their electoral votes for a more just candidate instead. There are three primary flaws with this argument.

First, it is grossly inaccurate to label a popular vote for President as some type of tyranny of the majority because there is no monolithic majority. To be elected by popular vote a President needs widespread support from voters of different ages, ethnicities, and backgrounds from different places both geographically and ideologically. Any group of 60 million people is far too diverse, diffuse, and disorganized to constitute a mob.

Second, a democratic election for a head of state who does not have the power to create legislation and is checked by Congress and the Supreme Court is far from being a tyranny of the majority. A more accurate example of a tyranny of the majority would be a hypothetical state referendum in California in which the registered Democrats in the state voted to tax the registered Republicans at a higher rate. That would not only be cruel and oppressive, which are the most common words that come up in the definition of “tyranny,” but it is a clear example of a majority group directly imposing its will on a minority group. Furthermore, if electing a President by popular vote is a tyranny of the majority, then nearly every American in the country is currently living under a tyranny because our governors and mayors are elected by popular vote.

If there is any form of tyranny that actually exists in the presidential election, it is the tyranny of swing states, which is created by the current Electoral College system. Every four years citizens in Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and a few other swing states have more influence over who becomes President than the vast majority of Americans who live in safe states. If the Electoral College’s defenders believe that a popular vote constitutes a tyranny, why isn’t it just as tyrannical for voters in swing states to impose their will on the rest of us? And when a candidate loses the popular vote but wins in the Electoral College, why isn’t that tyranny of the minority?

Finally, perhaps the biggest problem with those who defend the Electoral College because 538 electors can theoretically save us from a tyrannical mob, is that it rests on a flawed premise that the electors are more knowledgeable than the rest of us, and that they will act when necessary. People who argue this position often quote Alexander Hamilton’s defense, or perhaps more accurately, his sales pitch for the Electoral College in Federalist No. 68. Hamilton wrote that,

"This process of election affords a moral certainty, that the office of president, will seldom fall to the lot of any man, who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications. Talents for low intrigue and the little arts of popularity may alone suffice to elevate a man to the first honors in a single state; but it will require other talents and a different kind of merit to establish him in the esteem and confidence of the whole union.”

Hamilton believed that because presidential electors would be,

“men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation” who were “most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to so complicated an investigation.”

In other words, the Electoral College would prevent an unqualified or tyrannical candidate from reaching the presidency because the presidential electors would be discerning men making a careful judgement after thoughtful deliberation. Apart from the sexism, the system sounds pretty good. But it doesn’t exist. The Electoral College doesn’t work that way and it never has.

Presidential electors are not the best of their fellow citizens, chosen after thorough consideration, who exercise their independent judgment when casting their electoral votes. They are political party loyalists who almost always vote for the candidate who wins the popular vote within their state. Less than one percent of over 20,000 electoral votes have been from faithless electors and those electors have never affected the outcome of an election.

Hamilton’s description of the Electoral College is an interesting one; but as it works today, the Electoral College is not that deliberative body. It does not protect citizens from any tyranny of the majority. It actually makes it easier for a smaller minority to elect a President the majority of Americans oppose.


https://thelogicalliberal.com/2019/04/09/why-the-electoral-college-does-not-protect-against-tyranny-or-mob-rule/
revelette1
 
  1  
Fri 30 Aug, 2019 08:40 am
New IG report rebukes Comey — and debunks Trump
izzythepush
 
  1  
Fri 30 Aug, 2019 08:45 am
@revelette1,
It's not mob rule that's the problem.

https://pmchollywoodlife.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/donald-trump-hair-air-force-one-ftr.jpg?w=620

It's slob rule.
revelette1
 
  1  
Fri 30 Aug, 2019 08:54 am
@izzythepush,
He should try the Bruce Willis look.
revelette1
 
  1  
Fri 30 Aug, 2019 09:05 am
Quote:
Mumps has swept through 57 immigration detention facilities in 19 states since September, according to the first U.S. government report on the outbreaks in the overloaded immigration system.

The virus sickened 898 adult migrants and 33 detention center staffers, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in its report Thursday.

New cases continue as migrants are taken into custody or transferred between facilities, the report said. As of last week, outbreaks were happening in 15 facilities in seven states.

In response to the report, Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokesman Bryan Cox said medical professionals at detention facilities screen all new detainees within 24 hours of their arrival to ensure that highly contagious diseases are not spread.

Cox said some detainees come from countries where communicable diseases are less controlled than in the U.S. and carry with them the risk of spreading infection.

The CDC report said more than 80% of patients were exposed while in custody. Mumps is a contagious virus that causes swollen glands, puffy cheeks, fever, headaches and, in severe cases, hearing loss and meningitis.
In the U.S., vaccines have drastically reduced the number of mumps cases.

Only a few hundred cases are reported most years, with periodic outbreaks involving colleges or other places where people are in close contact.
In the migrant center outbreaks, at least 13 people were hospitalized, the CDC reported.

A large portion of the cases have been in Texas. The Texas Department of State Health Services raised the alarm in December, followed by six other state health departments in early January, prompting what the CDC report calls “a coordinated national outbreak response.”

ICE has given more than 25,000 doses of measles-mumps-rubella vaccine in the affected facilities.

The CDC did not identify detention facilities, but said 34 of them are operated by private companies. The report said migrants were being held in 315 facilities in mid-August.

Nashville immigration attorney R. Andrew Free has been tracking facilities with mumps outbreaks from reports of advocates and lawyers representing detainees.

“This has all the makings of a public health crisis,” Free said. “ICE has demonstrated itself incapable of ensuring the health and safety of people inside these facilities.”

An influx of migrants at the U.S.-Mexico border earlier this year has taxed the immigration system. The CDC report dealt only with mumps, not other health problems in detention facilities. At least two migrant children have died of complications of the flu after being detained by U.S. Border Patrol.
The CDC report said detention facilities should follow guidance from state and local health departments when responding to mumps.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/mumps-sickens-hundreds-of-detained-migrants-in-19-states/2019/08/29/6b924ca8-ca7f-11e9-9615-8f1a32962e04_story.html

So Mumps has spread to 57 immigration detention centers, 34 are private detention centers. If nothing else, surely something should be done about immigration private detention centers and oversight?
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izzythepush
 
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Fri 30 Aug, 2019 09:07 am
@revelette1,
Or any look.
revelette1
 
  1  
Fri 30 Aug, 2019 09:11 am
@izzythepush,
I meant he should stop trying to do the awful comb over and embrace his baldness by clipping his hair down to his scalp to prevent that problem with the wind and hairspray.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Fri 30 Aug, 2019 09:13 am
@revelette1,
I know, I was agreeing, any look is better than that.
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blatham
 
  2  
Fri 30 Aug, 2019 10:03 am
@revelette1,
Yeah, me too.
Region Philbis
 
  1  
Fri 30 Aug, 2019 10:12 am
@blatham,

i might hate him a bit less if he adopted a look like this...

https://i.imgur.com/0g2ck6Q.jpg
blatham
 
  2  
Fri 30 Aug, 2019 10:24 am
@Region Philbis,
I could support the second word in your post.
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revelette1
 
  2  
Fri 30 Aug, 2019 10:34 am
@Region Philbis,
It would give him a distinguished intellectual thoughtful look, maybe? Trying to picture it. I think his pouty lips would get in the way of it.
izzythepush
 
  4  
Fri 30 Aug, 2019 10:36 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

It would give him a distinguished intellectual thoughtful look, maybe?


The closest he ever gets to that is when Ivanka asks him if he wants McDonalds or KFC.
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revelette1
 
  3  
Fri 30 Aug, 2019 10:39 am
Meanwhile I think Florida is heading for some awful weather.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hurricane-dorian-could-impact-the-entirety-of-florida-when-it-makes-landfall/ar-AAGyyaD?ocid=spartandhp
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RABEL222
 
  4  
Fri 30 Aug, 2019 01:00 pm
@revelette1,
Were not done with this yet. Trump is going to fire someone for not charging Comey as he instructed them too.
 

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