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izzythepush
 
  -1  
Wed 28 Aug, 2019 10:43 am
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
Why else would she grant the request.


Because she has to, you bloody idiot, to do anything else would make her a dictator.

When you're in a hole stop digging.
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Baldimo
 
  2  
Wed 28 Aug, 2019 11:09 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
I have never thought or said that your president is determined by the popular vote. I know it's the electoral college, I may have said that it's undemocratic, but I've not denied facts.

The EC isn't undemocratic, it fact it is set in place to protect our Republic from mob rule. So you do deny facts, the difference is I don't go off on a tangent calling you names.

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This is so typical of you, your profound ignorance has been demonstrated and when put right instead of being grateful for learning something, you then tell a load of lies about me.

I didn't tell a lie about you, I pointed out something you have said in the past. If I got the wording wrong, that isn't lying about you.

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Ignorant, bigoted, dishonest, servile, do you have any positive attributes, or is that all there is?

Once again, typical insulting reply from you. Does being a liberal hurt?

izzythepush
 
  -1  
Wed 28 Aug, 2019 11:42 am
@Baldimo,
**** off, it's undemocratic, you like it because it supports right wing politicians, that's the only reason you support it.

I'm not going to go into any of this what if bollocks, the monarch has to do what parliament tells them, end of. That doesn't just include laws, but state visits etc.

That's their job, if they don't do it, they lose it. The last time a monarch denied parliament was back in the days of Queen Anne.


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The last bill that was refused assent by the sovereign (on the advice of ministers) was the Scottish Militia Bill during Queen Anne's reign in 1708.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_assent

Like I said earlier, I'm not going to go into any of this what if bollocks. If you can provide an example of the current monarch, refusing to do what parliament/the prime minister told her to do regarding laws, state visits, opening/closing parliament.

Otherwise shut up. Liz has been on the throne since 1952 so you've got a pretty big time frame.
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Wed 28 Aug, 2019 12:09 pm
@izzythepush,
I think, due to Trump's support for Johnson, all this is at least part of the topic, but a ,ore a sideline.

I just want to add
● parliamentary sovereignty is a principle of the UK constitution, making Parliament the supreme legal authority in the UK,
● Johnson was elected as the UK's PM by 66% of the voters among a Tory selectorate of less than 160,000 members.

I do think, too, that Johnson's plan is as perfidious as it is ingenious.

izzythepush
 
  -1  
Wed 28 Aug, 2019 12:28 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I hear there's movement in the Scottish courts.
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Baldimo
 
  2  
Wed 28 Aug, 2019 12:54 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
**** off, it's undemocratic, you like it because it supports right wing politicians, that's the only reason you support it.

I actually have no skin in the game, just like you have none in US politics. As for supporting "right wing politicians", I couldn't tell you the right wing from the left wing in the UK, and I really don't care. I've watched for the last 3 years and seen nothing but stalls from whom ever the opposition is to Brexit. It's a shame that the people passed something and the politicians have slow walked it, it's about time to do the what the people voted on.

Quote:
I'm not going to go into any of this what if bollocks, the monarch has to do what parliament tells them, end of. That doesn't just include laws, but state visits etc.

"What if's' are not bollocks, considering your stance on many US policies I'm not surprised you feel this way. You have a habit of thinking everyone should agree with you or face a tongue lashing.

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That's their job, if they don't do it, they lose it. The last time a monarch denied parliament was back in the days of Queen Anne.

I don't know what job you are referring to. As for the history of this happening before, I don't care. The UK is going to do what the UK wants to do.

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Like I said earlier, I'm not going to go into any of this what if bollocks.

It wasn't a "what if" it was a simple question. Could she deny the PM's request. The answer seems to be she could, but she won't because of the of the bad precedent it would set. Not to mention you think it would make her a dictator.

Quote:
Otherwise shut up.

Fascist much?

Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Wed 28 Aug, 2019 12:58 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
It's a shame that the people passed something and the politicians have slow walked it, it's about time to do the what the people voted on.
As said, in the UK the Parliament is the sovereign. And that's been elected by the people of the UK.

Referendums are not binding in the UK, perhaps that's the case in the USA?
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izzythepush
 
  -1  
Wed 28 Aug, 2019 01:11 pm
@Baldimo,
Considering how much trouble you had understanding the Queen's strictly non political role, I am not going to try to explain Brexit to you. Opinions change, demographics change, we were lied to during the referendum especially regarding how easy it would all be.

It's no way near as simple and clear cut as you're trying to make it.

The last actual election over here was won by a remain supporting Liberal.

You have got a dog in this Trump wants somewhere to dump his chlorinated chicken and gm modified soya.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Wed 28 Aug, 2019 01:30 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
Opinions change, demographics change, we were lied to during the referendum especially regarding how easy it would all be.
Besides that, "Take back control" certainly didn't mean to allow an unelected prime minister — who would likely never get a parliamentary majority — to determine the fate of Brexit, and thus the entire country, on his own.
What Johnson is doing here is the kind of political madhouse befitting a military dictatorship. It is anti-democratic and matches the havoc wreaked by Trump.
Builder
 
  0  
Wed 28 Aug, 2019 02:57 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
....and matches the havoc wreaked by Trump.


Care to expand on that claim, Walter?
blatham
 
  1  
Wed 28 Aug, 2019 03:20 pm
You'll love this one, guys.
Quote:
Don Jr. Warns That Joe Biden Might Abuse Presidential Powers to Enrich His Lowlife Relatives
NYMag
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blatham
 
  2  
Wed 28 Aug, 2019 03:25 pm
You'll love this too
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Does Trump Ever Lie? White House Press Secretary Says ‘No’
NYMag
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RABEL222
 
  0  
Wed 28 Aug, 2019 06:29 pm
@Builder,
He would be wasting his time explaining anything to you.
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FreedomEyeLove
 
  4  
Wed 28 Aug, 2019 10:34 pm
The Southern Poverty Law Center is a hate-based scam that nearly caused me to be murdered

After internal challenges with discrimination, the Southern Poverty Law Center can't call itself an arbiter of justice.

I’ll never forget the moment I learned we were on lockdown. It was Aug.15, 2012. My frustration mingled with fear. Trapped on the sixth floor, we knew someone had been shot. We knew we couldn’t leave yet. We knew little else.

While I was missing lunch, a crime scene played out in the office lobby below me. My coworker and friend Leo wasn’t armed, but he had played the quick-thinking and inadvertent hero, disarming a young man on a mission to kill me and as many of my colleagues as possible. The gunman had packed his backpack with ammo and 15 Chick-fil-A sandwiches — later admitting that he had planned to smear them on our lifeless faces as a political statement. Leo took a bullet in the arm but managed to hold the attacker until law enforcement arrived.

I wrote and edited for the Family Research Council, a public advocacy organization that promoted the principles I have cared about since childhood: protecting the family, promoting the dignity of every human life and advocating for religious liberty. It reads like a tagline, but it’s also just what I believed and the way I chose to match my career with my convictions.

Biology is not bigotry: My daughter thinks she's transgender. Her public school undermined my efforts to help her.

I never expected that everyone would celebrate or share my beliefs. But I did expect to be able to discuss and debate these differences without becoming a political target in an act of terrorism, the first conviction under Washington, D.C.’s 2002 Anti-Terrorism Act.

The Southern Poverty Law Center labeled us a 'hate group'

It was the type of violent incident that one could expect a group that purportedly monitors “hate,” like the Southern Poverty Law Center, to notice, research and decry. In fact, we were on the center’s radar but for all the wrong reasons. The assailant acknowledged later in FBI testimony that he had selected our office precisely because the SPLC had labeled my employer a “hate group.”

It has always been easier to smear people rather than wrestle with their ideas. It’s a bully who calls names and spreads lies rather than thoroughly reading a brief’s legal arguments or challenging the rationale underlying a policy proposal. The SPLC has chosen to take the easy path — to intimidate and mislead for raw political power and financial benefit.

For years, former employees revealed, local journalists reported and commentators have lamented: The Southern Poverty Law Center is not what it claims to be. Not a pure-hearted, clear-headed legal advocate for the vulnerable, but rather an obscenely wealthy marketing scheme. For years, the left-wing interest group has used its “hate group” list to promote the fiction that violent neo-Nazis and Christian nonprofits peacefully promoting orthodox beliefs about marriage and sex are indistinguishable. Sometimes, it has apologized to public figures it has smeared, and it recently paid out millions to settle a threatened defamation lawsuit.

The SPLC has its own troubles
These shameful secrets are no longer hidden in shadows. The New York Times, Politico, NPR and a host of other mainstream publications are reporting on the corruption and widening credibility gap. The SPLC dismissed its co-founder in March, and its president has resigned amidst numerous claims of sexual harassment, gender discrimination and racism within the organization — a parade of disgraces that vividly force the conclusion: The SPLC is hollow, rotten and failing at the very virtues it pretends to celebrate.

The criticism comes from many corners. There’s the Current Affairs editor who seems sympathetic to the center’s progressive mission but decries its “hate group” list as an “outright fraud” and a “willful deception designed to scare older liberals into writing checks to the SPLC.”

There’s the retired investigative journalist who helped research and write an eight-part series on the center’s “litany of problems and questionable practices” in the mid-1990s. His Washington Post opinion piece reads with a thinly veiled message: We nearly got a Pulitzer Prize for TELLING YOU SO.

But perhaps most damning of all are the indictments leveled by former employee Bob Moser in The New Yorker. He remembers being welcomed to the “Poverty Palace” and recounts the heart-sinking reality of it all — being “pawns” in a “highly profitable scam.”

Oberlin bakery owner: Gibson's Bakery paid a high cost for an unfairly damaged reputation

Jobs and years have passed, and I work now for Alliance Defending Freedom. ADF ranks among “the top performing firm(s)" litigating First Amendment cases, according to the Empirical SCOTUS blog, and is the “Christian legal powerhouse that keeps winning at the Supreme Court,” according to The Washington Post.

And yes, my new employer has also attracted one of the SPLC’s spurious hate labels. The label easily peels and fades away when one actually does the research and listens to truth before deciding to troll.

I won't be intimidated by the SPLC
If the SPLC thought that its hate would intimidate or silence me and my colleagues, they’re sadly mistaken. I’m lucky — blessed, really — that I didn’t take a bullet for my beliefs back in 2012. But the center’s ugly slander and the gunman’s misguided attack have sharpened my resolve and deepened my faith in my Savior, who commands my destiny and shields me from the schemes of man. The same is true for my colleagues.

Fifty-one years ago, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. fell to an assassin’s bullet. The SPLC pretends to carry his legacy but weaponizes hate labels instead. Unlike SPLC's name-calling, Dr. King’s words and vision stand the test of time. “Injustice anywhere,” he warned, “is a threat to justice everywhere.”

The SPLC, as an institution, has thoroughly disqualified itself as an arbiter of justice. But this country would be a better place if the center’s donors, lawyers and friends would truly believe and apply Dr. King’s legacy — his peaceful pursuit of justice and his love of neighbor.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/08/17/southern-poverty-law-center-hate-groups-scam-column/2022301001/?fbclid=IwAR0whfwDvHQsAxSl2yNdDhAsoRjjYtjO_iEJTVYnLnUkd8Z0QrSD0pVZLn8
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glitterbag
 
  -1  
Wed 28 Aug, 2019 11:26 pm
Oh look!!! the brain trust has arrived.
snood
 
  -2  
Wed 28 Aug, 2019 11:30 pm
@glitterbag,
Where?! Where?!
glitterbag
 
  -2  
Thu 29 Aug, 2019 12:03 am
@snood,
I'm not sure, but I just had a overwhelming sense of dread......Those people are going to make us swear we are stupid. AHHHHHHHHHHH crap AHHHHHHHH.
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Builder
 
  1  
Thu 29 Aug, 2019 02:30 am
@Baldimo,
Quote:
It's not like you actually try, as noted above, you insult and degrade people with differing opinions.


Is that pomgolian pain in the posterior still hanging around here?

If he's not being abusive and abrasive, he resorts to reposting propaganda from the paedophile's post in pomgolia; the bbc.
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hightor
 
  4  
Thu 29 Aug, 2019 03:20 am
@Baldimo,
Quote:
The EC isn't undemocratic, it fact it is set in place to protect our Republic from mob rule.

How would that actually work? Say some demagogue were really popular and managed to win an election with a significant majority of the popular vote. Do you really think that electors would defy the will of the mob? I don't. Like the 2nd Amendment, this is another constitutional anachronism.
oralloy
 
  0  
Thu 29 Aug, 2019 03:30 am
@hightor,
The fact that progressives see civil liberties as an anachronism is exactly why people need to vote for Mr. Trump and the rest of the Republicans.

We need politicians who will protect the nation from these dangerous progressives.
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