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hightor
 
  2  
Thu 8 Aug, 2019 10:05 am
@Baldimo,
Quote:
So let me get this straight, if black people don't believe what you and the rest of the leftists believe, they are Uncle Tom race traitors?

Disappointingly, your ideology leads you to misinterpret and mischaracterize statements which you either don't understand or disagree with. No one is accusing anyone of treachery. Just unseemly opportunism. It can be a shortcut, allowing one to attain a certain degree of stature for the simple reason that the establishment will open doors to people who can help to insulate them against charges of institutional bias. I would have thought that you would recognize this common phenomenon. Condaleeza Rice is an example. I have no doubt that she is very smart and believes what she says. But her minority stature in the conservative community gave her prominence which she was able to use to her advantage.
Baldimo
 
  -1  
Thu 8 Aug, 2019 10:24 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Disappointingly, your ideology leads you to misinterpret and mischaracterize statements which you either don't understand or disagree with.

This has nothing to do with my ideology, it has to do with reading what Snood said. He said "these negros"... that isn't any better than someone saying "those people".

Quote:
They are embarrassing. At least Elder can make a coherent sentence. They are buck dancing minstrels.

Snood continues to make my point with this above statement. It is exactly like I called it. Either black people agree with the left or they are ripe for being called racists names by other black people. Would you have accepted anyone else calling black people "buck dancing minstrels" or "these negro s"? No you wouldn't have, Snood is a racist and you are as well if you are going to accept his racist terms for blacks that don't agree with him.

Baldimo
 
  -1  
Thu 8 Aug, 2019 10:28 am
@snood,
So more "buck dancing minstrels"?

https://youtu.be/IYqCQy7fvFw
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hightor
 
  3  
Thu 8 Aug, 2019 10:35 am
@Baldimo,
So if I refer to white nationalists as "embarrassing gun-toting fascists" I'm engaging in "racism"? When did you start taking sensitivity classes? You're acting like some sort of MAGA snowflake.
Baldimo
 
  0  
Thu 8 Aug, 2019 10:39 am
@hightor,
Quote:
So if I refer to white nationalists as "embarrassing gun-toting fascists" I'm engaging in "racism"? When did you start taking sensitivity classes? You're acting like some sort of MAGA snowflake.

First off I've said it before and I'll say it again, I didn't vote for Trump. Second, that isn't even close to what he said. He used racist language against a group black people. Does it make it less racist because Snood is black? No, it's just as racist when he says it as if a white person said it. I don't like the hypocrisy, or your lame defense of his racist remarks.
blatham
 
  3  
Thu 8 Aug, 2019 11:53 am
Quote:
President Donald Trump’s communications team wouldn’t allow reporters to accompany him to the hospital in El Paso, Texas where eight victims of Saturday’s mass shooting were still recovering on Wednesday, and now it’s not hard to see why.

According to the Washington Post’s report on Thursday, all of the victims at the University Medical Center refused to see the President when he came to visit.

...However, the two patients who’d already been discharged reportedly did come back to see Trump.
TPM
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blatham
 
  4  
Thu 8 Aug, 2019 12:16 pm
Quote:
Most of what we've seen from Donald Trump's visit to University Medical Center in El Paso yesterday came from the White House, which released a hagiographic 58-second video of the president's visit. Professional journalists were prohibited from covering what transpired.

But since it's 2019, and much of the public has smart phones, someone filmed this portion* of Trump's comments to hospital staff yesterday, and shared the video with the local CBS affiliate. The president certainly started on a sensible note, praising the medical professionals who treated -- and continued to treat -- victims of the recent mass shooting in their community.

But Trump couldn't help being Trump.

Quote:
After commending the staff's work, Trump pivoted to bragging about the turnout he received at a rally in the border city. "I was here three months ago," Trump said. "That place was packed... and we had twice the number outside."

The president then squeezed in jabs about O'Rourke's El Paso rally held on the same day in opposition to Trump. "Then you had this crazy Beto. Beto had like 400 people in a parking lot," Trump said
.
* link at source
Benen

He is a sociopath.
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blatham
 
  3  
Thu 8 Aug, 2019 12:24 pm
Jesus Christ. How stupid is Jared Kushner? This stupid.
Quote:
Gabriel Malor
"Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser who has internally championed pardons and commutations, had suggested Mr. Blagojevich be pardoned, *advising the president that it would appeal to Democrats.*"
(link: https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1159317323339247617) twitter.com/maggieNYT/stat…

glitterbag
 
  2  
Thu 8 Aug, 2019 12:41 pm
@blatham,
I'm not sure if I'm amused or horrified.
blatham
 
  1  
Thu 8 Aug, 2019 12:49 pm
@glitterbag,
That was my progression - amused then horrified, given his role in this administration.
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blatham
 
  1  
Thu 8 Aug, 2019 12:53 pm
Quote:
[T]he Trump GOP is now dominated increasingly by Evangelicals, the Tea Party, and conservative Catholics who embrace his anti-government, pro-life, and economic nationalist populism. Those groups now form 70 percent of the party. The secular conservatives, many who rally to the GOP establishment, and the moderates are in deep decline.
WM
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blatham
 
  2  
Thu 8 Aug, 2019 01:10 pm
French inventor dude just crossed the English Channel on a frigging hoverboard. If I was an Englishman, I'd buy one just to get fresh French bread every morning.
glitterbag
 
  2  
Thu 8 Aug, 2019 01:20 pm
@blatham,
Another giant step for mankind?
hightor
 
  3  
Thu 8 Aug, 2019 02:10 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote:
First off I've said it before and I'll say it again, I didn't vote for Trump.

Neither did I. But unlike you I don't go around making excuses for him.
Quote:
Does it make it less racist because Snood is black?

You're confusing different aspects of the word "racist". It's an unfortunate consequence of the way words are formed and used in the English language. If I look at a group of people who have different skin colors and physical features I might describe some of them as "black", some as "Oriental", some as "Hispanic", some as "Middle Eastern", some as "white". I "discriminate" between them in the manner of the Cambridge dictionary definition: "2. to be able to see the difference between two things or people". Some of these differing characteristics are ascribed to "race", so by recognizing those distinctions I am employing "racism". Demographers do this all the time without prejudice or any other race-based implication; it's simply a description based external physical characteristics. Non-specialists can do this as well.

However, the first definition is "1. to treat a person or particular group of people differently, especially in a worse way from the way in which you treat other people, because of their skin colour, sex, sexuality, etc." If we do this based on what we believe a person's "race" to be then we are "racists" in the other, pejorative sense. In this era of Trump the difference between the two uses is being exploited, defensively, as when Trump accuses Rep. Cummings of being a "racist" and you similarly accuse Snood — monkey see, monkey do. Oh, I'm likening you to a "monkey"? Is that "racist" of me? No, I just think you're copying the behavior of your particular hive.

In any case, I needn't "defend" Snood because I understand what he said to be well within the boundaries of using race as a neutral descriptive term. And yes, people who are seen as members of a particular race do have more leeway to criticize the behavior of others in their group because it is assumed that they are not inferring racial inferiority, merely annoying behavior. For instance, I remember trying to learn how to dance and being told I was "dancing like a white boy" by the white instructor. I knew exactly what she meant and so did the rest of the white people in the dance class. No one took the least bit of offense. I've never set foot on a dance floor since, preferring to spend my time on the bandstand.
Baldimo
 
  -1  
Thu 8 Aug, 2019 02:23 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
Neither did I. But unlike you I don't go around making excuses for him.

What excuses have I made? This should be interesting. At most I've pointed out things he has said that were said by DNC politicians...

Quote:
You're confusing different aspects of the word "racist".

I'm not confusing anything. I'm using the word just like everybody else on this site who disagree's with someone.

The rest of your post is an excuse for Snood to say racist things against other black people. Negro is only used by blacks when they want to be insulting to other blacks for disagreeing with them. Minstrels? It's funny, you guys hear the mystical "dog whistles" of racism but refuse to call it out when it's in plain english.
hightor
 
  2  
Thu 8 Aug, 2019 02:52 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote:
I'm using the word just like everybody else on this site who disagree's (sic) with someone.

What'd I tell you — monkey see, monkey do!

Baldimo
 
  -1  
Thu 8 Aug, 2019 02:57 pm
@hightor,
What's good for the Goose is good for the Gander. If you don't want words used incorrectly, then make sure you correct everyone, not just those you disagree with, otherwise you are playing games and don't really care about word usage.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Thu 8 Aug, 2019 04:13 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Yeah, oralloy, like you, he's really special.

I can see how those of you who lack the ability to make an intelligent argument would notice my ability to do so.


hightor wrote:
I notice that you both share a special robotic quality in the way you employ language and tend to lapse into perseveration.

It comes from my having the ethics and integrity to always tell the truth. The truth doesn't change from post to post, so my words don't have the same degree of variety as yours do.
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oralloy
 
  -4  
Thu 8 Aug, 2019 04:14 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Why is it that rightists always come down on the side of death?

You cannot point out a single example of us doing this.


MontereyJack wrote:
Thoe guns will kill a million people over the course of an average lifetime?

Does that make the victims "more dead" than if they were killed with knives.


MontereyJack wrote:
Where is the aggression?

It comes from your attempts to violate our civil liberties for fun.


MontereyJack wrote:
Not from leftists

You are on record trying to violate our civil liberties for fun.


MontereyJack wrote:
but from rightists who unceasingly advocate for putting guns in the hands of people who turn out to be murderers.

The majority of America opposes you on the question of denying guns to people who have never done anything wrong.
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blatham
 
  1  
Thu 8 Aug, 2019 05:00 pm
@glitterbag,
Better. If I had the choice of a moon-lander or a hoverboard, no contest.
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