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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 10:15 am
@tsarstepan,
tsarstepan wrote:
It's treason to defend, side with, and give comfort to our country's longest standing enemy. Yes. Your activity as of recently may not be treasonous in terms of actionable acts but in spirit and tone and beyond.

The Democrats actively helped the Soviets try to conquer the world during the Cold War.

My mere telling the truth seems pretty small potatoes compared to that.

It's funny, I've many times seen conservatives falsely accused of "my country right or wrong".

This is the first time I've actually seen "my country right or wrong" in practice, and it's the left who are doing it.
MontereyJack
 
  3  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 11:21 am
@oralloy,
No the Democrats did not.
MontereyJack
 
  1  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 11:23 am
@oralloy,
No the Democrats did not. Youre channeling joe mccarthys ghost again.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 11:26 am
@oralloy,
Dreamer.
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 11:45 am
@MontereyJack,
Trump, now touting his criminal justice record, still hasn’t changed his position on the Central Park Five
Quote:
President Trump’s refusal again Tuesday to apologize for his stance on the Central Park Five was consistent with his past rhetoric about the group of young black and Latino men who were wrongfully convicted of rape and assault in New York in 1989.

But that view is hard to reconcile with one of the central planks of his 2020 campaign’s argument to black voters — that he is a champion of criminal justice reform.
[...]
Years later, the men were exonerated with the help of another man’s confession and DNA evidence. By the time they received a $41 million settlement from the city of New York, they had already spent much of their youths behind bars.

And there’s been significant fallout for those partly responsible for the wrongful conviction. Linda Fairstein, former head of the sex crimes unit in the Manhattan district attorney’s office, supervised the investigation, including the controversial interrogations, that led to the teenagers’ convictions. Not long after the miniseries came out, Vassar College reviewed Fairstein’s position on its board of trustees before the college’s president announced that she had resigned from the board. And Safe Horizon, a nonprofit group serving victims of violence, accepted Fairstein’s resignation from its board.

Elizabeth Lederer, the former assistant district attorney who led the prosecution in the case, resigned her teaching position at Columbia Law School after protests and backlash from black students and others in the university community.

But Trump remains unapologetic for his belief in the men’s guilt and suitability for the death penalty.

“You have people on both sides of that. They admitted their guilt,” Trump said Tuesday, referring to what the men say were coerced, inconsistent confessions. “Some of the prosecutors think the city should never have settled that case, and we’ll leave it at that.”

Trump’s position on the Central Park Five came up repeatedly during his presidential run as a testament to his history of negative views toward black and Latino people. It is part of a larger narrative that probably hurt him with black and Latino voters.

But the president’s insistence on the guilt of the wrongfully convicted teens — and his belief that they should have been executed — could prove a new challenge for him in 2020.
[...]
The president could have a hard time convincing voters of color that he cares about justice when he is unwilling to apologize for his own decades-long, unjust treatment of the Central Park Five.

Trump seems to want to convince black voters that he is passionate about changing how the government treats Americans who are incarcerated, but at a personal level, he seems unable to budge in the face of evidence.

oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 12:12 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Dreamer.

Not a dream.

I offer civil conversation, and I'm not interested in hearing from people who don't offer civil conversation.

So try again when you're willing to talk to me politely.
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 12:17 pm
@tsarstepan,

Quote:
It's treason to defend, side with, and give comfort to our country's longest standing enemy.

If that isn't a bunch of ****. The sanctions on Russia are the toughest this country has imposed. You are so full of it, so misinformed, and gullible it is almost beyond belief.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 12:23 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
But that view is hard to reconcile with one of the central planks of his 2020 campaign’s argument to black voters — that he is a champion of criminal justice reform.

More and more are reconciling that and are going to vote Republican. Latinos have already figured it out as Trump support from minorities grows daily.

It is one case and one opinion. To blow it out of proportion and demonize Trump is so obvious it is going to fail like so many other racist fairy tales.
MontereyJack
 
  3  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 12:23 pm
@oralloy,
Calling people.haters thugs and goons accusing them of treason saying they should ce outlawed and bombed is not my idea of civil discourse but is troll-like.
oralloy
 
  0  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 12:31 pm
@MontereyJack,
It is fair and justified criticism for actual bad behavior, and I back up all of my accusations with evidence.
MontereyJack
 
  1  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 12:44 pm
@oralloy,
No. You "back them up" with faulty logic, leaps of logic. Opinion masquerading as fact and outrageously slanted things you call facts that cherry pick the evjdenceband ignore all the evidence that shows theyre bogus. As has been said many timed no lie ever dies on the internet and you have an unerring ability to find those lies and give them new life..
MontereyJack
 
  1  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 12:49 pm
@oralloy,
It is fair and justified criticism therefore to characterize you all as life haters and aiders and abettors and enablers of truly massive violators of civil rights. Sauce for the goose
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 12:53 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
enablers of truly massive violators of civil rights

The Left and Islam is the real problem. Neither of those groups have any interest in civil rights unless taking them away counts.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 12:56 pm
@coldjoint,
one more falsehood to get satans grip on your soul a little tighter
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MontereyJack
 
  2  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 01:03 pm
@coldjoint,
You guys keep saying trumps minority support is surging and somehow it never shows up at the polls.
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neptuneblue
 
  2  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 02:06 pm
EPA rolls back Obama-era plan limiting coal-fired power plant emissions
By Ellie Kaufman, CNN
Updated 1:49 PM ET, Wed June 19, 2019

Washington (CNN)The Environmental Protection Agency on Wednesday said states can set their own carbon emissions standards for coal-fired power plants -- a rule that the agency itself says could result in 1,400 more premature deaths by 2030 than the Obama-era plan it will replace.

The move fulfills part of President Donald Trump's promise to help the coal industry, but will likely face court challenges from environmental groups and several states who see the rollback as detrimental to clean air and efforts to fight the climate crisis.

Former President Barack Obama's plan, if implemented, would have prevented 3,600 premature deaths a year, 1,700 heart attacks and 90,000 asthma attacks, according to analysis conducted by the EPA under his tenure.

The Obama Clean Power Plan was set to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, which contribute to the climate crisis, by up to 32% compared to 2005 levels by the same year.

"We are gathered here today because the American public elected a president with a better approach," EPA Administrator Andrew Wheeler said Wednesday. "One of the President's first acts in office was to issue an executive order to promote energy independence. In it, he instructed EPA to rescind, replace or revise the Clean Power Plan."

Wheeler said other administration officials who spoke at the event announcing the new rule referred to the Obama plan as an overreach of federal authority and highlighted how the Supreme Court issued a stay of the rule in 2016 after several groups challenged it.

"The CPP would have asked low- and middle-income Americans to bear the cost of the previous administration's climate plan," Wheeler said. "It also hurts the competitiveness of American businesses."

Obama's Clean Power Plan was challenged by several lawsuits from industry groups and conservative-led states. In 2016, the Supreme Court blocked the regulation, but some plants had already started to work on reducing pollution.

The new plan, which EPA is calling the Affordable Clean Energy rule, is designed to boost the struggling coal industry but also likely increase carbon emissions nationwide. EPA argues that any comparison to the Obama rule is incongruous because it was never implemented.

A senior EPA official said that comparing the CPP and the ACE role was a "fantasy" because the CPP was never fully implemented. He instead said that "market forces alone" are causing change, and it's not the agency's job to regulate energy emissions.

"Is EPA an energy regulatory authority? Absolutely not," the senior EPA official said on a call with reporters.

The ACE rule allows states to set their own carbon emissions standards for coal-fueled power plants. This means states with coal mines can continue to operate those mines without being forced to meet what they considered burdensome regulations from the federal government.

"The Affordable Clean Energy rule -- ACE -- gives states the regulatory certainty they need to continue to reduce emissions and provide affordable and reliable energy for all Americans," Wheeler said. "Unlike the CPP, the ACE rule adheres to the four corners of the Clean Air Act. EPA sets the best system of emission reductions and then states set the standards of performance."

But it's unclear how much the industry can benefit, as it faces competition from cheap natural gas and renewable sources. US coal consumption has plunged 39% to the lowest level in 40 years, according to the US Energy Information Administration.

Congressmen from states with coal mines that greatly impact their economy like Pennsylvania, Ohio and Indiana attended the ACE event announcement, voicing their support for the move. The congressmen who spoke referred to the ACE rule as a step to end the "war on coal."

Republican Rep. Bill Johnson of Ohio said he supported Trump's "decision to formally end the coal killing" regulations that Obama had put in place.
"I'm glad that the current leadership here at the EPA understands that we can have smart environmental regulations and protect coal jobs and our economy at the same time," Johnson said.

RELATED: America's renewable energy capacity is now greater than coal

States to sue

New York Attorney General Letitia James said her state and others will go to court.

"Given its clear violation of the Clean Air Act, I intend to sue the EPA over this "Dirty Power" rule and look forward to collaborating with other states and cities in taking action to protect all Americans from the increasingly disastrous impacts of climate change," James said in a statement.

"Connecticut is in close coordination with states across the nation and we are prepared to take legal action to block this measure," the state's attorney general, William Tong. "There is no serious debate -- climate change is a severe threat and we ignore science at our own peril."

At a House Energy and Commerce Committee hearing last week about the direction of the EPA, former EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy -- who finalized the Clean Power Plan under Obama -- said she believes the proposed Affordable Clean Energy rule, as well as other proposed rules the agency has made since Trump took office, undermines "the science and the law in how they're trying to roll back those rules."

"I do not dispute any administration coming in with different policies, but the challenge I think we're facing is they are really changing the rules of the road and not using sound science," McCarthy said. "They are not looking at cost benefits. They are trying to inflate the cost and lower the benefits in order to justify rules that simply don't make sense under the law."
farmerman
 
  2  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 02:10 pm
@neptuneblue,
why is he against natural gas and oil? Hes such a friggin moron
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oralloy
 
  0  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 02:41 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
No. You "back them up" with faulty logic, leaps of logic. Opinion masquerading as fact and outrageously slanted things you call facts that cherry pick the evjdenceband ignore all the evidence that shows theyre bogus. As has been said many timed no lie ever dies on the internet and you have an unerring ability to find those lies and give them new life..

Wrong. I can provide cites to back up every single fact that I post. And I have done so every time anyone has asked me to do so.
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oralloy
 
  0  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 02:43 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
It is fair and justified criticism therefore to characterize you all as life haters and aiders and abettors and enablers of truly massive violators of civil rights.

You cannot provide any evidence of us doing anything of the sort.


MontereyJack wrote:
Sauce for the goose

There is no equivalence between "your lies and name-calling" and "my facts backed up by evidence".
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 05:53 pm
@oralloy,
You supply the lies and name calling, as you have done for years. I supply the facts and evidence, as I have done for yearOf voutde there's evidence you're enablers of civil rights violations. Stephen Paddock's legal purchase of 33 guns for one. Your campaigns which amount to as many guns as you want as often as you want which enable mass murderers and just plain old murderers to have the weapons put in their hands, asthey are thousands of times a year. Your amorality is glaring.
 

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