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oralloy
 
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Wed 19 Jun, 2019 06:49 am
@tsarstepan,
Quote:
MOSCOW -- International prosecutors on Wednesday said that four men, including three with close ties to the Russian military and intelligence, would face murder charges in the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 over Ukraine five years ago, killing 298 people.

Since this was an act of war that was conducted in good faith (they were not intentionally trying to down a civilian airliner), I don't see how this could possibly lead to a just conviction.

I wonder if Putin will have some NATO pilots indicted for civilians killed by the 1999 bombing of Serbia.
oralloy
 
  0  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 06:51 am
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
You place a lot of "if's" in this.

The left is trying to do away with fracking and nuclear power.

It is entirely possible that renewables alone will not provide enough power to meet the needs of the American people.


neptuneblue wrote:
Like every great achievement, there are start up costs. Did the telephone industry just miraculously spread in one year? No, it took time and look now, almost every one has a cell phone. That technology had high costs and skepticism.

Same thing here. Don't be so afraid of the future that it cripples progress.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't use renewables as much as possible. I'm all for expanding the use of renewables for as far as they will go.

I'm just questioning the wisdom of not using nuclear power and/or fracked natural gas to make up any shortfalls in what renewables can produce.

The environmental movement thinks that if there are any shortfalls in what renewables can produce, then it is OK to subject the American people to socialist-style rolling blackouts.

I reject that solution, and so will the American people.
neptuneblue
 
  2  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 07:00 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
The environmental movement thinks that if there are any shortfalls in what renewables can produce, then it is OK to subject the American people to socialist-style rolling blackouts.

I reject that solution, and so will the American people.


There is no data to support your claim. That is your opinion. Therefore, I reject your opinion.

The president refuses to allow for renewables expansion. That in itself shows no foresight into solving our energy issues. Rolling back emissions controls does not solve the issue either. It's detrimental to our future.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 07:12 am
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
There is no data to support your claim. That is your opinion. Therefore, I reject your opinion.

If you think that the American people are going to just sit back and accept socialist-style rolling blackouts when there is all that coal to be burned, you're in for a rude awakening.
nimh
 
  4  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 07:13 am
@izzythepush,
The response to Morsi's death by the Egyptian media was also revealing...

Quote:
Virtually all newspapers in #Egypt ran the same 42-word story on the death of #MohammedMorsi. It was WhatsApped to news editors by a govt official.

This TV anchor - reading from a teleprompter - even ended her #Morsi report: "Sent from a Samsung device."


https://twitter.com/StefSimanowitz/status/1141068275155161089
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hightor
 
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Wed 19 Jun, 2019 07:28 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
The environmental movement thinks that if there are any shortfalls in what renewables can produce...


No, the "environmental movement" does not think that. The "environmental movement" doesn't march in lock step behind any single idea.

Quote:
...then it is OK to subject the American people to socialist-style rolling blackouts.


No, rolling blackouts aren't "socialist-style". The need to protect the power system and avoid a total shutdown has nothing to do with political affiliation.

Quote:
A rolling blackout, also referred to as rotational load shedding or feeder rotation, is an intentionally engineered electrical power shutdown where electricity delivery is stopped for non-overlapping periods of time over different parts of the distribution region. Rolling blackouts are a last-resort measure used by an electric utility company to avoid a total blackout of the power system. They are a type of demand response for a situation where the demand for electricity exceeds the power supply capability of the network. Rolling blackouts may be localised to a specific part of the electricity network or may be more widespread and affect entire countries and continents. Rolling blackouts generally result from two causes: insufficient generation capacity or inadequate transmission infrastructure to deliver sufficient power to the area where it is needed.

(...)

Rolling blackouts in developed countries sometimes occur due to economic forces at the expense of system reliability (such as in the California electricity crisis of 2000-2001), or during natural disasters such as heat waves.

wiki

Your argument isn't strengthened by attaching deceptive ideologically-laden adjectives to your opinionated speculations.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 07:44 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
No, the "environmental movement" does not think that. The "environmental movement" doesn't march in lock step behind any single idea.

That is incorrect. Environmentalists believe that the answer to shortfalls in what renewables can produce is to impose socialist-style rolling blackouts on the American people.


hightor wrote:
No, rolling blackouts aren't "socialist-style". The need to protect the power system and avoid a total shutdown has nothing to do with political affiliation.

That is incorrect. Routine power shortages are the result of socialism and other leftist mismanagement.

Leftist mismanagement is also why store shelves are perpetually empty under socialism. It's the same phenomenon.


hightor wrote:
Your argument isn't strengthened by attaching deceptive ideologically-laden adjectives to your opinionated speculations.

Good thing I don't do anything like that.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 19 Jun, 2019 07:57 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
socialist-style rolling blackouts
Scandinavia (those countries commonly called "socialist" by Americans) has managed to reduce its carbon emissions and achieve considerable economic growth. As a result, countries like Denmark and Sweden have become some of the greenest in Europe.
You certainly can list the enormous number of blackouts there, oralloy, isn't it?
oralloy
 
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Wed 19 Jun, 2019 08:02 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Does Scandinavia consume non-renewable fuels to make up for the shortfall in what renewables produce?
Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 08:24 am
@oralloy,
You can look up the data, e.g. at the Worldbank
oralloy
 
  -2  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 08:42 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Nah. I'll just assume that the answer is yes.
MontereyJack
 
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Wed 19 Jun, 2019 09:01 am
@oralloy,
From reading the last few posts it seems likely that the rolling blackouts are from more demand than the grids can handle without becoming unstable, not from a lack of supply. In other words it has nothing to do with renewable versus non-renewable energy sources but rather with the safe capacity of the grid.. Peak demand times, like an unexpected heat wave leading to huge short term power demands from increased air conditioner usage for example can put great stress on American power grids as well which the power people get very nervous about. . It's an infrastructure problem not a renewable versus non-renewable problem.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 09:05 am
@MontereyJack,
Come back and talk to me when you're ready to be civil.
MontereyJack
 
  1  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 09:05 am
@oralloy,
that's gibberish. how is downing a civilian airliner from a non-combatant country in an undeclared insurgency an act of war in good faith? What nonsense.
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MontereyJack
 
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Wed 19 Jun, 2019 09:53 am
@oralloy,
When are you planning on being civil? You haven't been for at least the last six years.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 09:56 am
@MontereyJack,
I'm always civil.
farmerman
 
  3  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 10:04 am
@MontereyJack,
dont bother him. He is a legend.

How dya like the growing "cult of personality" that Plump;s begun during the last 30 yers of his life?

He's npw [[romising a "4th of July" celebration like none-other in history of 4th of July.

Where has he separated hisself from reality??
tsarstepan
 
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Wed 19 Jun, 2019 10:07 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Is it treason now to merely tell the truth?

It's treason to defend, side with, and give comfort to our country's longest standing enemy. Yes. Your activity as of recently may not be treasonous in terms of actionable acts but in spirit and tone and beyond.
tsarstepan
 
  3  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 10:10 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

dont bother him. He is a legend.

Did you mistype legend for morally leprous?
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Wed 19 Jun, 2019 10:10 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
He is a legend.

Well I fly on a Legendary mount.

Technically it's Epic, but really you can't get any more Legendary than Ashes of Al'ar.
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