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oralloy
 
  -4  
Sun 16 Jun, 2019 08:38 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
And rightist like to call liberals "leftists".

Leftists aren't liberals. They're leftists.


hightor wrote:
Don't you think it would be more constructive to cease the childish name-calling and blanket denunciations and argue the point on specific cases?

What name-calling? Leftists are leftists. That's not name-calling.

What specific cases? Leftist rejection of the principles of liberalism seems to be across the board.
hightor
 
  2  
Sun 16 Jun, 2019 08:39 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
Leftists aren't liberals. They're leftists.

You're still doing it. Define your terms.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Sun 16 Jun, 2019 08:50 am
@hightor,
Wikipedia wrote:
Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed, and equality before the law.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support limited government, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), capitalism (free markets), democracy, secularism, gender equality, racial equality, internationalism, freedom of speech, freedom of the press and freedom of religion.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10]
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Sun 16 Jun, 2019 09:28 am
@oralloy,
Yep. Leftists are liberals.
neptuneblue
 
  3  
Sun 16 Jun, 2019 09:37 am
Trump campaign cutting ties with pollsters after internal numbers leaked
The president's re-election campaign says series of polls showing Joe Biden ahead in key states are "ancient" news.

June 16, 2019, 9:32 AM EDT / Updated June 16, 2019, 10:23 AM EDT
By Chuck Todd, Kristen Welker and Ben Kamisar

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump’s re-election campaign is cutting ties with some of its own pollsters after leaked internal polling showed the president trailing former Vice President Joe Biden in critical 2020 battleground states, according to a person close to the campaign.

The move comes after NBC News obtained new details from a March internal poll that found Trump trailing Biden in 11 key states.

Portions of the campaign’s expansive March polling trickled out in recent days in other news reports.

But a person familiar with the inner workings of the Trump campaign shared more details of the data with NBC News, showing the president trailing across swing states seen as essential to his path to re-election and in Democratic-leaning states where Republicans have looked to gain traction. The polls also show Trump underperforming in reliably red states that haven’t been competitive for decades in presidential elections.

A separate person close to the Trump re-election team told NBC News Saturday that the campaign will be cutting ties with some of its pollsters in response to the information leaks, although the person did not elaborate as to which pollsters would be let go.

The internal polling paints a picture of an incumbent president with serious ground to gain across the country as his re-election campaign kicks into higher gear.

While the campaign tested other Democratic presidential candidates against Trump, Biden polled the best of the group, according the source.

In Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Florida and Michigan — three states where Trump edged Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton by narrow margins that proved decisive in his victory — Trump trails Biden by double-digits. In three of those states — Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Florida — Biden’s leads sit outside the poll’s margin of error.

Trump is also behind the former vice president in Iowa by 7 points, in North Carolina by 8 points, in Virginia by 17 points, in Ohio by 1 point, in Georgia by 6 points, in Minnesota by 14 points, and in Maine by 15 points.

In Texas, where a Democratic presidential nominee hasn’t won since President Jimmy Carter in 1976, Trump leads by just 2 points.

Portions of the internal Trump polling data were first reported by ABC News and The New York Times. The Times reported earlier this month that the internal polling found Trump trailing across a number of key states, while ABC News obtained data showing Trump trailing Biden in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Florida and holding a small lead in Texas.

The president denied the existence of any negative polling during comments last week in the Oval Office, saying his campaign has “great internal polling” and saying the numbers reported were from “fake polls.”

“We are winning in every single state that we've polled. We're winning in Texas very big. We're winning in Ohio very big. We're winning in Florida very big,” he said.

“Those are fake numbers. But do you know when you’re going to see that? You’re going to see that on Election Day.”

His campaign staff downplayed the results as old news in statements to NBC News. The polling was conducted between March 13 and March 28.

Tony Fabrizio, Trump’s campaign pollster, dismissed the data as “incomplete and misleading,” representing a “worst-case scenario in the most unfavorable turnout model possible.”

He added that a “more likely turnout model patterned after 2016” with a defined Democratic candidate shows a “competitive” race with Trump “leading.”

Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale’s criticism focused on the poll’s age.

“These leaked numbers are ancient, in campaign terms, from months-old polling that began in March before two major events had occurred: the release of the summary of the Mueller report exonerating the President, and the beginning of the Democrat candidates defining themselves with their far-left policy message,” he said.

Parscale also claimed the campaign has seen “huge swings in the President’s favor across the 17 states we have polled, based on the policies espoused by the Democrats.” As an example, he said that a “plan to provide free health care to illegal immigrants results in an 18-point swing toward President Trump.”

The Trump campaign subsequently provided another quote from Parscale that echoed the president’s comments from last week.

“All news about the President’s polling is completely false. The President’s new polling is extraordinary and his numbers have never been better,” the statement said.

CORRECTION (June 16, 2019, 10:23 a.m. ET): A previous version of this article misstated the finding of polling data reported by ABC News. The data found that Trump was trailing Biden in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Florida; it did not find that Biden was trailing Trump.


https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump/
State Trends
Select a state to view the trend data.


Since Trump took office, his net approval in Ohio has decreased by 18 percentage points.


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Lash
 
  3  
Sun 16 Jun, 2019 09:39 am
I’m a liberal and a leftist, but there are morphing Venn Diagram oceans of both terms.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Sun 16 Jun, 2019 09:47 am
@MontereyJack,
Wrong. Leftists violate most of the tenets of liberalism.
Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Sun 16 Jun, 2019 10:27 am
@oralloy,
Since the 19th century (1867 and 1873 here in Germany), we've got left-liberal parties.
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hightor
 
  4  
Sun 16 Jun, 2019 11:16 am
@oralloy,
It looks to me as if you and your tribe are very selective when it comes to supporting free speech. It wasn't "leftists" who clamped a gag rule on organizations that supply reproductive choices to women, it wasn't "leftists" who prosecuted Manning, it wasn't "leftists" who have restricted public officials from discussing climate change, and it's not a "leftist" president who has declared war against the free press. Your "argument" is specious and just amounts to mislabeling any political views which you oppose, drawing a false distinction between economic leftists and people who are willing to allow and desire free speech. As Lash points out, one can be both.
izzythepush
 
  3  
Sun 16 Jun, 2019 11:39 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

morphing Venn Diagram oceans


Are you trying to plug your new band?
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Sun 16 Jun, 2019 12:08 pm
While looking for some of Frankie Boyle's quotes on Donald Trump, (he does have a wonderful turn of phrase,) I came across his review of last year. This is the bit on Trump, (which appears just after a bit on Saudi Arabia.)

Quote:
Of course Donald Trump trundled out in front of the cameras like a corpse on a Segway and announced: “We are with Saudi Arabia, we are staying with Saudi Arabia.” I honestly think that the Republican establishment is just coming to terms with how useful Trump is – realising that this troll-doll King Lear, who looks like something you’d pick off a baking tray after cooking pizza above it, can say the things that they themselves would like, or find useful to say, but can’t because of some vestigial attachment to decency. The Republicans’ current attitude to Trump is of turning a blind eye to your racist builder because you just need to get the conservatory finished.

Trump has not refashioned the GOP in his own image. He has achieved something more significant: he has managed to maintain a semantic distance from the Republican party despite cheerfully delivering its agenda. Meanwhile, the Democratic establishment has chosen to mirror his attachment to nepotism, entitlement and conspiracy theory – not that the conspiracy theory is necessarily invalid. Trump might, I suppose, be a Russian spy: it would certainly explain why he can’t speak English. It’s not that he’s normalising his own behaviour; it’s that, by comparison, he’s normalising that of dreadful people everywhere. Jared Kushner, a bloodless, lipless demon, a dependent clause of the Anti-Life Equation who could be thrown into any Edgar Allan Poe adaptation and trusted to improvise, looks merely emo in comparison.

The racial animus that Trump has cynically aggravated saw his supporters protesting Nike’s Colin Kaepernick advert in September. The Nike swoosh is now the sound their products make when they go on fire. One patriot filmed himself destroying his Nike clothing by cutting off the top couple of inches from his socks. Instead of destroying the clothing, he’s created an additional, free set of Nike sweatbands.

What does it say about our times that we’re expected to look for moral guidance to corporations like Nike, whose brand message of “Just do it” started out as a looped PA announcement in their Vietnamese trainer factory. I’ve always been wary of Nike – I think because their single tick logo is so reminiscent of the one used in my youth for Bob a Job: just a glimpse of a trainer and I’m back in short trousers, fibre-glassing that pensioner’s loft for a shiny 50 pence piece. (If you’re interested it was 10p for the insulating, 40p for wearing the shorts.)

Despite Trump’s rage, the taking-a-knee protests have continued. It’s odd, in most cultures going down on a knee is considered respectful: personally, I expect either a proposal or a medley of hits from Oklahoma. You have to hand it to the president; it shows a certain ambition to try to undermine the idea of protest in a country that was founded by, well, Protestants. Trump has tried to make this about respect for a flag I very much doubt he could draw from memory, and for military service that he studiously avoided.

Of course the NFL players are not actually protesting the flag. That would be as pointless as arguing with a sock, screaming at a table cloth, or a whole bunch of other stuff Trump probably does on a daily basis. The protest was originally about racial justice, and black people being shot dead by the police. You have to ask yourself how abusive a relationship has to be if even kneeling in silence is too provocative, how you are valued in a country where even the statement that your life matters ignites furious dissent.

There is an obvious misogyny to the Trump administration, and the president no doubt has many supporters whose idea of foreplay consists of dropping a rope ladder down a well. This was highlighted by the appointment of Brett Kavanaugh to the supreme court, despite a confirmation hearing where he unspooled like a Columbo villain, bellowing endlessly about his love of beer. Trump ordered an FBI probe during the hearing, an investigation that was concluded with the speed of an airplane edit of CSI Miami. An investigation that ranged from the FBI agent looking at himself in the mirror and noting that Judge Kavanaugh wasn’t at that moment raping him, all the way through to noting that he hadn’t raped anyone during his time on television being questioned by senators.

With Kavanaugh now on the bench, the irony for American women is that huge amounts of beer will soon become their only means of abortion. Should he be any kind of judge? There’s an argument that the very last thing you want to hand to any man accused of sex crimes is a hammer, but then again maybe we need his hands where we can see them. Still, it certainly is a very scary time for young men in America. Especially the ones aged 10 that Trump has put in cages.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/22/frankie-boyle-review-2018-forget-brexit<br />
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Sun 16 Jun, 2019 12:08 pm
@hightor,
Quote:
and it's not a "leftist" president who has declared war against the free press.

You know the president did not start that war but he is winning it. And the press is not free it is controlled by people who hate Trump and America.
Quote:
who have restricted public officials from discussing climate change,

No idea what you are talking about, please source it.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sun 16 Jun, 2019 01:12 pm
Trump Campaign to Purge Pollsters After Leak of Dismal Results
Quote:
President Trump’s campaign has decided to purge some of its pollsters after a leak of dismal internal polls for the president that he denied existed.

Just two days before the president is set to kick off his bid for re-election, a top adviser said on Sunday that the campaign was cutting ties with three of its five pollsters to prevent further disclosure of survey data.

The polling showed Mr. Trump behind former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. in several key battleground states, including by double digits in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. The results were confirmed to The New York Times by advisers to Mr. Trump, but when they became public, he called them “fake polls.”

For days, aides to Mr. Trump have tried to figure out whom to point the finger at over the leak of the data, which jolted and infuriated the president. But in continuing to discuss it, aides violated a long-held unofficial rule of campaigns not to comment publicly on internal polling, even if the numbers leak.

The resulting furor led to an effort by the campaign manager, Brad Parscale, to tighten control. By removing several pollsters, the campaign hopes to shrink the circle of outside operatives who have access to information that could leak, according to the presidential adviser, who was not authorized to speak publicly.

The rupture of the team came even as the president and his advisers were preparing for a large and elaborate rally in Orlando, Fla., on Tuesday night to formally open his campaign for a second term. Mr. Trump was hoping for a show of strength as Democrats had drawn increasing attention before their first debates on June 26 and 27.

The internal poll numbers, while not predictive, painted a bleak picture of the current state of the race for Mr. Trump, at least against Mr. Biden, when they were taken in March. They showed a number of critical states at risk — not just Florida and the Midwestern states, but even some longtime Republican bastions like Georgia. A Democratic state that Mr. Trump’s aides have insisted they want to put in play, Minnesota, appeared out of reach for the president.

The polling was reported on by The Times nearly two months ago without citing specific numbers. Last week, The Times reported that Mr. Trump had told aides to deny that such polls existed and to say that other data in the survey showed him doing well.

Some aides to the president appeared to be using the episode to undermine one of the president’s closest advisers, Kellyanne Conway, who was Mr. Trump’s final campaign manager in 2016 and is now his White House counselor. Her former firm, the Polling Company, was one of the ones to be ousted. Ms. Conway no longer has any formal ties to the company, which was sold in 2017 to CRC Public Relations, a well-known conservative advocacy firm.

In addition to Ms. Conway’s former firm, the Trump adviser said the campaign would cut ties with Adam Geller, a pollster for former Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey, and Michael Baselice, a pollster for former Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger of California, both late additions to Mr. Trump’s campaign in 2016.
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Sun 16 Jun, 2019 02:36 pm
Quote:
Judicial Watch: 'Fast and Furious' Gun Used in Paris Terror Attack

No scandals? Thanks Obama.
https://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/fast-and-furious-paris-attacks-gun-terrorist/2016/07/05/id/737087/
RABEL222
 
  1  
Sun 16 Jun, 2019 03:24 pm
@coldjoint,
Obama ain't president now, Trump is. Try to keep up.
oralloy
 
  -4  
Sun 16 Jun, 2019 04:23 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
It looks to me as if you and your tribe are very selective when it comes to supporting free speech. It wasn't "leftists" who clamped a gag rule on organizations that supply reproductive choices to women,

I don't follow abortion stuff closely enough to know what you are talking about. But I assume that such a restriction is tied to government funding, and that people are free to say what they want if they do not take government funding.


hightor wrote:
it wasn't "leftists" who prosecuted Manning,

Since when does treason count as free speech?

This Manning thug outed democracy activists in various dictatorships around the world, allowing dictators to purge threats to their regimes, and setting back the cause of global democracy.


hightor wrote:
it wasn't "leftists" who have restricted public officials from discussing climate change,

If they resign from the government, they will be free to say whatever they like.


hightor wrote:
and it's not a "leftist" president who has declared war against the free press.

No one is preventing the press from reporting on anything.


hightor wrote:
Your "argument" is specious and just amounts to mislabeling any political views which you oppose, drawing a false distinction between economic leftists and people who are willing to allow and desire free speech.

Wrong. My argument fairly and accurately condemns leftists for their actual bad behavior.


hightor wrote:
As Lash points out, one can be both.

People who have been silenced by leftists would beg to differ.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Sun 16 Jun, 2019 11:29 pm
@oralloy,
Climate research is science research. Like a lot of scientific research it is expensive, compiling information from a number of different disciplines with pricey equipment which is expensive to manufacture, put in place and operate/ So a lot of it, but by no means all, is funded by the government because there are important questions it can answer.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Sun 16 Jun, 2019 11:39 pm
@MontereyJack,
That means WE fund the research, and should have access to it. All the government research, OUR research shows that climate change is real and is happening, as does the required National Climate
Assessment. The Trump administration has denied the scientific research, tried to cut finunding, altered and watered down the conclusions, denied them, and withdrawn us from the Paris accords. They are tryin==g to suppress the truth, the truth we paid to discover. Government findings by government scientists show the trump administration is making brazenly political actions that are in direct opposition to government funded science. There is no justification to say that someone should be barred from speaking the truth only if he is forced out of his job.
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MontereyJack
 
  2  
Sun 16 Jun, 2019 11:48 pm
@coldjoint,
Fast and Furious was modeled on an earlier Bush-era GOP plan, to track the flow of American guns to foreign drug gnags and terrorists. Looks like exactly what it was set up to find out is happening as the Obama administration suspected. An American gun is used in a foreign terrorist attack. q.e.d.
Builder
 
  -1  
Mon 17 Jun, 2019 02:01 am
@RABEL222,
Quote:
Obama ain't president now


But is he in prison yet>??
 

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