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livinglava
 
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Fri 31 May, 2019 09:30 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

I always believed charity starts at home; in that sense, raising tariffs on Mexico will mean a tax hike for consumers at home on Mexican goods. A lose/lose for both sides. There are a lot of produce from Mexico in everyday stores, including small towns. Personally I wish there was a friendlier relationship with our border countries instead of the hostile one Trump seems intent on making. Where meetings can occur to work out differences and problems in both countries.

In any event other than puppy dog Graham who can't stand on his own feet but must forever have a stronger dog to follow after, it seems there are quite a few republicans getting fed up with Trump regarding Tariffs and Trade if nothing else.

You don't think many Mexicans will welcome Trump's use of tariffs to stimulate more job-creation locally?

Stores and businesses north of the border don't have to raise prices to cover the tariffs, just as sellers in Mexico don't have to. Of course everyone wants to try to pass on cost-increases such as tariffs or other taxes, but the market doesn't have to allow them to.

Of course it would be great to have friendly relations with everyone, but everyone's not on the same page regarding abuses and exploitations, including those of trafficking drugs and humans. When everyone is ready to stop drug and human trafficking, I'm sure much friendlier relations will be possible. In fact, no one would even go to jail if everyone who uses and traffics drugs would just stop doings so on their own.

Currently there is just a culture war between those who want to stop drugs and those who want to legalize them, or at least not stop them from coming in illegally. That is not a conflict between the US and Mexico but between different types of people within every country.
revelette1
 
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Fri 31 May, 2019 09:47 am
@livinglava,
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You don't think many Mexicans will welcome Trump's use of tariffs to stimulate more job-creation locally?

Stores and businesses north of the border don't have to raise prices to cover the tariffs, just as sellers in Mexico don't have to. Of course everyone wants to try to pass on cost-increases such as tariffs or other taxes, but the market doesn't have to allow them to.


Usually what happens is people at home suffer in the form of taxes on products. Which means Americans would buy less Mexican products. Which would mean Mexico would lose the profits from Americans buying their products. I doubt the market is not going to allow them to raise taxes on products. I wouldn't even pretend to know how that would be done.


And why would Tariffs suddenly create a booming Mexican economy where the local can afford to buy as much products as Americans do? What is stopping them now from buying products from their own Mexican produce plants, farms and factories? They make money from the US, I don't see why tariffs on their products they sell to the US would help Mexico in any way create local money making jobs. Explain.
livinglava
 
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Fri 31 May, 2019 09:59 am
@revelette1,
revelette1 wrote:

Usually what happens is people at home suffer in the form of taxes on products. Which means Americans would buy less Mexican products. Which would mean Mexico would lose the profits from Americans buying their products. I doubt the market is not going to allow them to raise taxes on products. I wouldn't even pretend as to how that would be done.

Simple: if prices go up, consumers buy less and/or substitute other products for the ones whose prices are rising. That puts pressure on sellers to lower prices or lose sales.

Whether the supply chain passes tariffs on to consumers, or whether they end up eating the higher costs by making less profit and/or cutting other costs; there is an incentive to invest in local production as a lower-cost substitute for the added costs of shipping and tariffs on imports.

That is how tariffs stimulate local job-creation. Of course it would help if federal and local governments in the US would help the process by lowering wage-minimums and other regulations that drive up the costs of hiring and doing business.

This is not to say that all regulations are bad. Certainly I'm not for encouraging economic activity that adds to environmental-harm, unsustainability, and climate change.

Lowering wage-minimums and wages generally would help climate, however, by stimulating the majority of people to give up driving, which they could no longer afford; as well as putting downward pricing pressure on rents/housing and other products that fund all the economic waste-consumerism that causes environmental harm and climate problems.

Basically the US economy just needs to tighten its belt and naturally seek out reforms that would consume less resources and waste/pave less land. We are too used to building and paving as much as we want to get more money. We print money by printing pavement and buildings, and then getting banks/investors to lend out the money to pay the contractors. That is not good for the economy; it is waste and it stimulates more waste.

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And why would Tariffs suddenly create a booming Mexican economy where the local can afford to buy as much products as Americans do? What is stopping them now from buying products from their own Mexican produce plants, farms and factories? They make money from the US, I don't see why tariffs on their products they sell to the US would help Mexico in any way create local money making jobs. Explain.

Who says they have to buy as much products as US Americans or otherwise live like the US? They can just get local jobs and pay for what they need so they don't have to migrate to send money back to gang bullies and drug lords who are threatening their families and/or holding their property hostage.
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InfraBlue
 
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Fri 31 May, 2019 10:54 am
@livinglava,
livinglava wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:

livinglava wrote:
Do you realize the practical effect of raising tariffs as a response to migration will be for Mexican employers to create jobs in order to get the tariffs lowered?

Are you against stimulating job-creation in Mexico for some reason?


US employers could just as well create jobs.

Are you against job-creation in the US for some reason?

What does that have to do with what I said about tariffs stimulating job-creation in Mexico?

If you want to talk about job-creation in the US, why don't you just do that separately instead of obfuscating the tariffs=jobs in Mexico point?

We're talking about immigration. The tariffs on Mexico are Trump's convoluted way to deal with it.
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izzythepush
 
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Fri 31 May, 2019 10:56 am
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Julian Assange has suffered "prolonged exposure to psychological torture", the UN's torture expert has said.

Nils Melzer urged Britain not to extradite the Wikileaks founder, warning that his human rights would be violated and that he is not fit to stand trial.

He also accused "several democratic states" of a "concerted effort to break [Assange's] will".

But the UK Foreign Secretary said Assange "chose to hide" from justice.

In a tweet Jeremy Hunt said the Mr Melzer "should allow British courts to make their judgements without his interference or inflammatory accusations".

A justice ministry spokesperson also said the UK did not participate in torture, and that the government disagreed with a number of Mr Melzer's findings. Judges were independent of the government and anyone convicted had the right to appeal, the spokesman added.

But Mr Melzer responded to Mr Hunt's tweet, saying Assange was "about as 'free to leave' as someone sitting on a rubberboat in a sharkpool".

Assange, 47, is fighting extradition to the US over charges related to leaking government secrets.

He sought political asylum in the Ecuadorean embassy in London in 2012 to avoid extradition to Sweden on a rape allegation he has repeatedly denied. He stayed until his arrest earlier this year.

Earlier this month, Swedish prosecutors reopened their investigation into rape allegations against Assange.

Mr Melzer, who met Assange earlier in May, told the Washington Post that he was initially reluctant to get involved in the case, as he is not a fan of Wikileaks and considered its founder to be a bad actor.

The UN's special rapporteur on torture said that Assange had been subjected to sustained collective persecution - including threatening statements and incitement to violence against him.

"I've worked in many areas of war in my life, in situations of violence, and I've talked to victims of persecution around the world and I've seen very serious atrocities," Mr Melzer told the BBC.

"But [what] I have never seen is that a single person has been deliberately isolated and, I would say, persecuted - not prosecuted, but persecuted - by several democratic states in a concerted effort to eventually break his will."

He added that he believes Assange "has a very strong case, and a very reasonable fear, that if he gets extradited to the Unites States he has no chance to get a fair trial with the level of public and official prejudice that exists there for him".

Mr Melzer added that, because of his treatment, his health was at serious risk.

"We could see that Assange showed all the symptoms that are typical for prolonged exposure to psychological torture," he said.

Assange, he said, needs access to a psychiatrist who is "not part of the prison service - someone he can fully trust" - to avoid his health deteriorating further.

Assange is currently serving a 50-week sentence in Belmarsh Prison in south east London for bail violations.

He had been due to appear at a hearing at Westminster Magistrates' Court on Thursday - the second in his extradition case. However, his lawyer Gareth Peirce said that he was "not very well".

A spokesman for Wikileaks later said that he had been moved to the medical ward in jail, adding that he had "dramatically lost weight" while in prison.

"Defence lawyer for Assange, Per Samuelson, said that Julian Assange's health state last Friday was such 'that it was not possible to conduct a normal conversation with him'," he added.

The US Justice Department has charged Assange with receiving and publishing thousands of classified documents linked to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The US wants the UK to extradite him, but Assange has formally refused consent.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-48473898
InfraBlue
 
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Fri 31 May, 2019 10:58 am
@livinglava,
livinglava wrote:

Stores and businesses north of the border don't have to raise prices to cover the tariffs, just as sellers in Mexico don't have to. Of course everyone wants to try to pass on cost-increases such as tariffs or other taxes, but the market doesn't have to allow them to.


So, according to your economic model, who pays for the tariffs?
izzythepush
 
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Fri 31 May, 2019 11:00 am
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The US-led coalition against the Islamic State (IS) group says it has unintentionally killed more than 1,300 civilians in Iraq and Syria since 2014.

In a statement, the coalition said it had carried out 34,502 strikes since its air campaign against IS began there nearly five years ago.

A UK-based monitoring group says the true toll is much higher, estimating up to nearly 13,000 civilian fatalities.

The US-led action began after IS took over huge areas of territory.

It imposed brutal rule over millions of people who fell under its control and has carried out or inspired deadly attacks around the world.

The latest figure provided by the coalition is slightly higher than its previous admission eight months ago of 1,100 civilian deaths. It says it is still assessing 111 more possible cases of civilian fatalities.

The latest acknowledgement stands in stark contrast to the claims of human rights and monitoring groups, which say the actual death toll is many times higher.

Amnesty International's senior crisis response advisor Donatella Rovera accused the US-led coalition of remaining "deeply in denial" about the true scale.

"Today's acknowledgement of further civilian deaths underscores the urgent need for thorough, independent investigations that can uncover the true scale of civilian casualties caused by coalition strikes, examine whether each attack complied with international humanitarian law and provide full reparation to victims," she said.

Last month, an investigation by activists concluded that more than 1,600 civilians were killed in coalition attacks on the Syrian city of Raqqa alone during a five-month campaign to oust IS in 2017.

Raqqa had been the de facto capital of the jihadists' self-proclaimed "caliphate".


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-48473979
livinglava
 
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Fri 31 May, 2019 11:12 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

livinglava wrote:

Stores and businesses north of the border don't have to raise prices to cover the tariffs, just as sellers in Mexico don't have to. Of course everyone wants to try to pass on cost-increases such as tariffs or other taxes, but the market doesn't have to allow them to.


So, according to your economic model, who pays for the tariffs?

I already explained it, but I'll try to make it simpler so you can understand:

If/when businesses south of the border hire/pay migrants to not migrate, they pay the tariffs to the (former) migrants they hire.

Then, of course, they will try to raise price for their buyers; but they would try to do that anyway regardless. It doesn't take a tariff to cause that.

If they don't stop the migration and the tariffs keep rising, they will eventually shift their business to selling where there are no tariffs on what they produce.

Now are you asking if people/businesses/government in the US maintain high wages and other business expenses, who will pay for those?

Answer: the same people who have always paid for them. It's just we had some temporary relief from cheap imports for a while.

While imports were cheap and without tariffs, US people/businesses/government were supposed to realize they needed to change things to complete with offshore economies.

They didn't, so now the pressure on them is going to increase by cutting off the cheap imports that have become an economic crutch.

Why not just start lowering production costs and creating a good, sustainable economy through reform? Why all this fighting about tariffs and who's going to pay them? Because economic reform is impossible? If so, why would that be? Because people don't want to change their habits and economic expectations? If that's the reason, how is any kind of reform for climate or social justice or anything else ever supposed to take place? Do you want to maintain the dysfunctional economy and just shift privilege around, like deck chairs on the Titanic?
coldjoint
 
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Fri 31 May, 2019 11:19 am
@izzythepush,
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it has unintentionally killed more than 1,300 civilians in Iraq and Syria since 2014.

That is the way the cookie crumbles. Only Muslims have the power to stop the terror. Broad sections of the population support the terrorists. Also, the proximity to citizens in which terrorists operate or store weapons contribute greatly to those deaths.

Amnesty International has been and continues to be shills for Islamists
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examine whether each attack complied with international humanitarian law and provide full reparation to victims," she said.

International humanitarian law does not exist. But if you can produce a copy I will reconsider. And if it does, who is going to tell the terrorists they are ignoring it too?

The problem is terror and Sharia inspired and taught in Islam, not the people trying to stop it. Apologizing for scum is what some people do. It does not change the facts.

Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 31 May, 2019 11:34 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
International humanitarian law does not exist.

Actually, no-one would care if you consider the The Law of Geneva and The Law of The Hague to exist or not.
georgeob1
 
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Fri 31 May, 2019 11:49 am
@Walter Hinteler,
You are correct. However there is no enforcement mechanism for these laws., apart from the censure of other nations, and, as history reveals, that is, at best, only occasionally effective.
livinglava
 
  0  
Fri 31 May, 2019 11:53 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

You are correct. However there is no enforcement mechanism for these laws., apart from the censure of other nations, and, as history reveals, that is, at best, only occasionally effective.

It's not ultimately possible to commit injustice without that injustice reverberating back to hurt you and/or your loved ones and future descendants.

There's no such thing as an unjust world where those shielded from injustice can experience total security.
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coldjoint
 
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Fri 31 May, 2019 12:05 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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The Law of Geneva and The Law of The Hague to exist or not.

Like you have been told, existence and enforcement are two totally different things. And who is going to tell the terrorists? You?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 31 May, 2019 12:08 pm
@georgeob1,
I only was responding to the claim that such law doesn't exist.
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Baldimo
 
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Fri 31 May, 2019 12:23 pm
@izzythepush,
To think they gave a Noble Peace Prize to Obama and he was the one responsible for all those deaths. You will notice that they didn't mention his name once in the article, why is that? Trying to preserve his legacy?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 31 May, 2019 12:31 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
Like you have been told, existence and enforcement are two totally different things.
Well, that's ages ago that professor Ingo von Münch taught me such at law faculty taught me such in the lectures crimes under international law in the modern development of international law in today's countries ("Das völkerrechtliche Delikt in der modernen Entwicklung der Völkerrechtsgemeinschaft")
You might be better educated about such.
coldjoint
 
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Fri 31 May, 2019 12:33 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
You might be better educated about such.

Isn't that what you are here for? Laughing Laughing Laughing
InfraBlue
 
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Fri 31 May, 2019 12:39 pm
@livinglava,
living lava wrote:
If/when businesses south of the border hire/pay migrants to not migrate, they pay the tariffs to the (former) migrants they hire.


You have an extremely erroneous understanding of how tariffs work.
Baldimo
 
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Fri 31 May, 2019 12:47 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
How long did the trial at the Hague take for Slobodan Milošević, from time he was arrested to the time he was put in prison for the crimes he committed?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 31 May, 2019 12:48 pm
@coldjoint,
Well, not really, since I did quite in my law exams which asked more than just the principles and basic rules of international humanitarian law.
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