This yet another example of someone pointing out a single thing that is untrue in one of your posts.
That is incorrect. "Walter bringing up the name of an organization that is completely unrelated to the discussion" does not count as "pointing out something untrue in my posts".
Your language "yet another example" is likewise incorrect. You cannot point out any cases where this is a common occurrence at all.
izzythepush wrote:
I thought if I paraphrased you, it might actually register, but I know that's a very remote possibility.
The fact that you are completely incorrect sort of undermines your point.
izzythepush wrote:
For all your talk of guns and nuking enemies, what goes through my head when I read one of your posts is probably the campest vid on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6DOGITIfAY
Your inability to point out any errors in my posts speaks for itself.
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oralloy
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Tue 28 May, 2019 01:58 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
or the guy killed in his own backyard holding a cellphone or the securityh guard who told them he had apermit for his gun and was killed reaching for his wallet.
When confronted by police officers, keep empty hands visible at all times. It's not rocket science.
MontereyJack wrote:
There are too many bogus hair triggers which seem to result in black folk dead.
Except, most of the BLM complaints are about cases where someone tried to murder a police officer, not about cases where an innocent person was harmed.
And innocent white people are killed this way just as much as innocent black people are. Funny how no one cares when an innocent white person is killed.
or the guy killed in his own backyard holding a cellphone or the securityh guard who told them he had apermit for his gun and was killed reaching for his wallet.
When confronted by police officers, keep empty hands visible at all times. It's not rocket science.
MontereyJack wrote:
There are too many bogus hair triggers which seem to result in black folk dead.
Except, most of the BLM complaints are about cases where someone tried to murder a police officer, not about cases where an innocent person was harmed.
And innocent white people are killed this way just as much as innocent black people are. Funny how no one cares when an innocent white person is killed.
Completely wrong as the 12 years old did not try to murder a police officer, nor did the black man trying to enter his apartment an found a dozen police officers behind him an as he pull out his wallet with his ID one of those officers yet gun and the man had 12 bullets in him, or when during a routine traffic stop a man with his wife and kids made the error of telling the cop that he had a CC license and was arm making the cop nerves enough to open fire at that point.
Sorry but being black place you no matter your own behaviors at around ten times more likely to be kill by a cop then if your skin is white.
yeh , these police stories where a friendly was reaching for ID and was hit by a dozen bullets is an exampl of what gun happy police et as an example .
Someone continually firing 12 shots (at least thats just the count of bullets that hit the victim). That Ahmedudialo fella in NY about 10 years ago was hit with 42 bullets and many more re stuck in doorway etc.
Cps should be given multi shot tasers as their first weapon, many of our police dont appear to ahve the training and restraint to do anything but "Ready, fire, aim"
I use Malcolm Gladwell’s excerpt about this story in “Blink” along with MLK, Malcolm X, Colin Kaepernick, and the Declaration to track the ‘progress’ of Civil Rights.
Glad to see Mamadou Diallo hasn’t been forgotten. His death is chilling.
yeh , these police stories where a friendly was reaching for ID and was hit by a dozen bullets is an exampl of what gun happy police et as an example .
Someone continually firing 12 shots (at least thats just the count of bullets that hit the victim). That Ahmedudialo fella in NY about 10 years ago was hit with 42 bullets and many more re stuck in doorway etc.
Cps should be given multi shot tasers as their first weapon, many of our police dont appear to ahve the training and restraint to do anything but "Ready, fire, aim"
They should not act as if they are in war zones and they should go back to revolvers as their primary weapon not 2o plus round magazine.pistols.
Nor should they be taught that a way to deal with a threat is pray and spray bullets in the general direct of a possible threat.
Cps should be given multi shot tasers as their first weapon, many of our police dont appear to ahve the training and restraint to do anything but "Ready, fire, aim"
Harmlessly disabling people so they can be jailed and brought to justice is an ideal.
In reality, there are people who will fight that much harder if they know that the worst that will happen to them is to get tased.
The whole purpose of a fair justice system is so people will defer to organized proceedings instead of trying to get away with crime and escape detection/arrest.
We no longer have a culture that honors the constitution and justice system by submitting to it. Instead, we've reached a point where all forms of restraint and mercy are taken as weakness and exploited as such.
It's a terrible thing to acknowledge, because it can easily become a justification for scrapping (faith in and hope of) democracy and liberty, but we shouldn't be naive in facing the realities of how far practice has deviated from theory where liberty and justice are supposed to be honored by all and not exploited as a weapon against enemies.
I think it bears stating that in some cases—and notably the case of Diallo—suspects are perfectly innocent of all wrong-doing, and only the overzealousness, stupidity, racism, or extreme dereliction of professional process by the cop results in a murder—that many times, the cop is not held accountable.
The Diallo case was the result of a horrible accident, not the result of police wrongdoing.
Being white does not prevent people from being the victims of such shootings. It is just that no one cares about innocent white victims because that doesn't further the cause of allowing black people to murder police officers.
On the other hand, if you were male your chances of being wrongfully killed would go way up.
A double conjunction. That's the first time I've ever seen something like that.
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oralloy
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Tue 28 May, 2019 04:30 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
None of the blm cases are about black people trying to murder cops. Thats racist fantasy.
That is incorrect. The Travon Martin case was about an attempt to murder a neighborhood watch captain, and the Michael Brown case was about an attempt to murder a police officer.
Those two cases are the very core of the BLM movement.
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oralloy
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Tue 28 May, 2019 04:34 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
multi shot tasers
Does such a thing exist?
farmerman wrote:
many of our police dont appear to ahve the training and restraint to do anything but "Ready, fire, aim"
In New York City at least, that is the fault of politicians who require the NYPD to carry guns that are impossible to aim accurately.
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oralloy
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Tue 28 May, 2019 04:41 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
They should not act as if they are in war zones and they should go back to revolvers as their primary weapon not 2o plus round magazine pistols.
The best thing to do is to require police to carry the same guns that civilians are allowed to carry for self defense.
That will prevent police from being equipped with weapons that are too powerful for police work.
And it will prevent civilians from being deprived of guns that are effective for self defense.
BillRM wrote:
Nor should they be taught that a way to deal with a threat is pray and spray bullets in the general direct of a possible threat.
Should the NYPD be allowed to have guns that can be aimed accurately?
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oralloy
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Tue 28 May, 2019 04:42 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Completely wrong as the 12 years old did not try to murder a police officer, nor did the black man trying to enter his apartment an found a dozen police officers behind him an as he pull out his wallet with his ID one of those officers yet gun and the man had 12 bullets in him,
Not wrong at all. The Trayvon Martin case was about an attempt to murder a neighborhood watch captain, and the Michael Brown case was about an attempt to murder a police officer.
Those two cases are the core of the Black Lives Matter movement.
BillRM wrote:
or when during a routine traffic stop a man with his wife and kids made the error of telling the cop that he had a CC license and was arm making the cop nerves enough to open fire at that point.
Your narrative is not even remotely accurate. The guy kept reaching for an unknown object while the police officer repeatedly yelled at him with increasing urgency to stop reaching and show his hands.
BillRM wrote:
Sorry but being black place you no matter your own behaviors at around ten times more likely to be kill by a cop then if your skin is white.
Statistics say otherwise. There are a lot of innocent white people killed by police officers.
But white innocent victims do nothing to further the cause of allowing black people to murder police officers with impunity, so it doesn't matter when an innocent white person is killed.
Glad to see Mamadou Diallo hasn’t been forgotten. His death is chilling.
How about Erik Scott's death? Or Michael Bell Junior?
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neptuneblue
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Tue 28 May, 2019 06:19 pm
So, Trump's now an expert on naval engineering. How quaint. An expert!
Trump’s carrier obsession sets up collision with Navy and Congress
For the past two years, the Navy’s plan to field electromagnetic catapults has been a pet peeve for Trump.
By WESLEY MORGAN 05/28/2019 06:30 PM EDT
President Donald Trump is ratcheting up the pressure on the Navy to return to the days of steam-powered catapults for launching jets from aircraft carriers — a multibillion-dollar shift that could take nearly two decades to achieve and would likely spur a clash with Congress.
Trump has spent two years criticizing the Navy's decision to switch to an electromagnetic launch system for its newest class of aircraft carriers, citing delays in rolling out the technology and complaining that “you have to be Albert Einstein to figure it out.” But he kicked his old-tech obsession up a notch during his visit to Japan, telling U.S. service members he plans to order the Navy to outfit all its new carriers with steam catapults.
"So I think I’m going to put an order: When we build a new aircraft carrier, we’re going to use steam,” Trump told sailors and Marines aboard the amphibious assault shift USS Wasp at a Navy base south of Tokyo, speaking late Monday night U.S. Eastern time. He renewed his complaint that the new technology could be unreliable during battle. “We’re spending all that money on electric, and nobody knows what it’s going to be like in bad conditions.”
The president was blunter during a May 2017 interview with Time magazine, in which he boasted that he had told his military commanders: “[You’re] going to goddamned steam.”
The Navy opted not to comment on Trump’s latest remarks, instead referring all questions to the White House. The White House, in turn, did not respond to questions on whether Trump will formally order the Navy to abandon its new Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System.
Declining to comment or deferring to the White House have been the standard Navy responses to Trump’s periodic remarks on catapults, even as the admirals have stood by the new technology. Naval experts told POLITICO that this time feels different, however. They also point out that with the next several carriers already being built with electromagnetic catapults, at costs of $11-13 billion per ship, it could be 15 years before the Navy would even be able to launch a new steam-equipped carrier — even if Congress were to approve the change.
Trump's comments “seem much more interventionist than he has been on this issue in the past,” said Bryan Clark, a retired Navy officer who served as a senior adviser to the chief of naval operations.
Even if Trump were to order a return to steam, “there’s a lot of gears that have to turn in the Pentagon to turn the president’s desire into a requirement,” added Clark, who is now a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments.
He noted that the next two Gerald R. Ford-class carriers the Navy is building, the Kennedy and Enterprise, are too far along in construction for what would amount to “a redesign” of the whole carrier. That's because the Ford-class vessels lack steam piping running the length of the ship, and they also plan to use electromagnetic power for other future systems, such as lasers and rail guns.
“Ten years down the line is when you could conceivably change back to steam catapults,” with the construction of the next carrier after the Enterprise, Clark said. That unnamed carrier is not yet under construction and is expected to reach the fleet in 2032.
It could take even longer than that, said Thomas Callender, a Heritage Foundation senior research fellow who was a Navy officer and then a senior Navy Department civilian. “If you’re serious and were to try to abandon the electromagnetic system … it would be 15 years from now, and it would wind up costing even more money to do that major redesign of the aircraft carrier,” he said.
The Navy “can’t just go back and build another Nimitz-class carrier, which was designed in the late ’60s,” Callender said. “The Navy has committed to this plan and going back is going to cost more in the long run even if you have better reliability initially” with steam, as Trump hopes.
But Jerry Hendrix, a retired Navy flight officer, suggested Trump may be on the right track as far as cost-cutting. “It’s not a bad thing to try to go back to a cheaper method,” he said. “The Navy believes that over the 50-year life of the ship, it will be cheaper to operate the Ford class, but that’s unproven.”
It’s “a good thing when you have a commander in chief take an in-depth interest in an aspect of the military,” added Hendrix, who is now a vice president of the Telemus Group.
Even so, “there is going to be pushback,” Hendrix predicted. And some of that resistance will come not directly from the Navy but from a skeptical Congress, said Clark and Callender.
While “Congress will continue to criticize the electromagnetic system alongside the president” because of cost overruns, Clark predicted, in the end lawmakers “will say what the Navy says, that this system is the future.” That’s because the electromagnetic systems could make it easier to launch new generations of unmanned aircraft and eventually even power high-tech self-defense weapons.
“No one is seriously talking about swapping EMALS with steam catapults — not even the U.S. Navy, which has studied EMALS extensively and believes EMALS has significant advantages over steam," said Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.), using the Navy acronym for the Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System. "Overhauling the Ford-class carriers for steam catapults would require a complete redesign of the Ford and the reconstitution of the industrial base for steam catapults, creating significant delays and cost overruns.
"This is not a feasible proposal, and I don’t anticipate Congress going along with this proposal and providing the funding to revert and refit the Ford class.”
Trump has sought sailors' views on the system before. On the Wasp, which does not use catapults of either type, Trump asked the crew which type of catapult they prefer. He was met mostly with shouts of "steam," and joked that one crew member who shouted in favor of the electric system "works for the enemy."
That's in contrast to the response Trump got when he raised the issue last Thanksgiving during a public call with members of the carrier USS Ronald Reagan. The ship's commanding officer, a career fighter pilot, offered an extended defense of electromagnetic catapults that Trump acknowledged as "a very good answer."
General Atomics, which builds the electromagnetic system, declined to comment on Trump’s latest remarks.
Since Trump's criticism began two years after a visit to the USS Gerald R. Ford, top Navy officials have stood by their choice of the new electromagnetic system. James Geurts, assistant secretary of the Navy for research, development and acquisition, told senators in November that the Navy had logged more than 740 launches using the new system aboard the Ford.
"We are feeling pretty confident on both of those systems," he said, referring to the electromagnetic system and the new Advanced Arresting Gear, a high-tech successor to the old hydraulic system that helps warplanes slow down as they land on a carrier's deck.
"Are we gonna be glad we went with EMALS and the Advanced Arresting Gear?" Sen. Roger Wicker (R-Miss.) asked him, using the Navy acronym for the Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System.
"Yes, sir," Geurts said, noting that future carrier air wings will need the system to launch heavier aircraft.
On the other hand, a Government Accountability Office report released this month said the electromagnetic catapults and new arresting gear are still undergoing testing and that "the reliability of those systems remains a concern."
Navy Secretary Richard Spencer said as recently as March that he's sticking by the new system. The electromagnetic catapult "is the most advanced, versatile, & cost-effective launching system," he tweeted. "It's a game changer for carrier based operations that is so simple to use, no Einstein is needed."
I am sure he consulted an expert and we all know what a quick study he is. In less than two years he already plays the game better than the sleaze that has been in politics for decades.