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georgeob1
 
  1  
Fri 17 May, 2019 11:06 am
@MontereyJack,
He may not be a hero, but I know and like him.
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Fri 17 May, 2019 11:37 am
Lots more at link.

Quote:
Iran’s most prominent military leader has recently met Iraqi militias in Baghdad and told them to “prepare for proxy war”, the Guardian has learned.

Two senior intelligence sources said that Qassem Suleimani, leader of Iran’s powerful Quds force, summoned the militias under Tehran’s influence three weeks ago, amid a heightened state of tension in the region. The move to mobilise Iran’s regional allies is understood to have triggered fears in the US that Washington’s interests in the Middle East are facing a pressing threat. The UK raised its threat levels for British troops in Iraq on Thursday.

While Suleimani has met regularly with leaders of Iraq’s myriad Shia groups over the past five years, the nature and tone of this gathering was different. “It wasn’t quite a call to arms, but it wasn’t far off,” one source said.

The meeting has led to a frenzy of diplomatic activity between US, British and Iraqi officials who are trying to banish the spectre of clashes between Tehran and Washington and who now fear that Iraq could become an arena for conflict.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/16/iran-tells-middle-east-militias-prepare-for-proxy-war
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Fri 17 May, 2019 12:44 pm
@izzythepush,
Trump's ambassador Grenell muddled on Merkel comments
Quote:
Ambassador Richard Grenell has again earned the ire of the German public. This time for perpetuating a misleading story about Merkel calling the United States a "rival."
[...]
His misstep on Friday began with a Newsweek magazine summary of an interview with Merkel , a summary that incorrectly implies that the chancellor "lumped in" the US "as a global rival that, along with China and Russia, "Europe must unite against."

However, in the interview that Newsweek is quoting, which is from the German daily Süddeutsche Zeitung, it is the interviewer and not Merkel who places Washington alongside Moscow and Beijing, asking how Europe is approaching the "global challenges from China and Russia, as well as the USA."

Merkel responds by saying that these global challenges "are forcing us, time and time again, to find common positions." She went on to say that the EU does not always manage to do this as well as she would like, arguing that the bloc's "political power" still does not match its economic clout. She never mentions the implication of the three countries being equivalent, an idea that even the questioner's original German avoids.
[...]
Among others, the chairman of the Munich Security Conference, Wolfgang Ischinger, spotted the mistake, responding to Grenell by asking: "Merkel said what exactly, and when, and in which language?"
https://i.imgur.com/wY7X7T8m.jpg
[...]
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Fri 17 May, 2019 12:47 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The relevant part of the Süddeutsche interview (paywall)
Quote:
Was machen die globalen Anfechtungen aus China, Russland und auch den USA mit Europa?

Sie fordern uns immer wieder ab, gemeinsame Positionen zu suchen. Das ist wegen der unterschiedlichen Interessen oft mühsam. Aber es gelingt, denken wir an unsere Politik im Ukraine-Konflikt. Auch unsere Afrikapolitik folgt inzwischen einer gemeinsamen Strategie, die vor ein paar Jahren noch undenkbar gewesen wäre. So kommen wir Schritt für Schritt voran. Noch aber entspricht unsere politische Kraft nicht unseren ökonomischen Fähigkeiten.
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oralloy
 
  -3  
Fri 17 May, 2019 05:29 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
All the monstrous authoritarian regimes in latin america had to do to get us support was SAY the freedom fighters were communist. That was not true. Which meant that the cold warriors in dc fell for lies again and again and fucked over latin americans again and again

They weren't lies. The Communists really were trying to take over the world.


MontereyJack wrote:
As reagan and north did. Which led in no small part to the ramshackle economies they're fleeing today.

We are not responsible for the results of leftist mismanagement. Those countries did that to themselves when they supported leftist leadership.


MontereyJack wrote:
Olllie north remains a villain.

Only to people who wanted America to be destroyed.


MontereyJack wrote:
The one heroic thing he ever did is expose the corruption and exploitation in the core group of leaders of the NRA

It was heroic for him to prevent Central America from falling to Communism.
MontereyJack
 
  3  
Fri 17 May, 2019 08:11 pm
@oralloy,
You really have no idea what you're talking about. The Sandinistas had overthrown the autocratic Somoza regime before Reagan was elected. Reagan supported the contras, the remnants of the oligarchic right, and North was his point man. /t5he /sandinistas defeated the contras and were still in power years afrer Reagan went senile. The Sandinistas have won and lost elections eversince and are now in power again. And that includes decades both before and afyter the dissolution of the USSR. And Nicaragua did not go commu nist. It was al a fiction of the oppressive right and Reagan and north fell for it. Most of the Latin American econojmies have always been controlled by the exploitive rightist elites, not leftists. And by US allied interests, and they're the ones that have been ******* the people over, not leftists The few left economies were often not much better because many Latin Americancountries have structural problems which are not amenable t your left vs right mental map, /American economic imperialism has been by no means the most minor problem they face. Ollie North was a victim of his own false grandiosity.part of the problem not the solujtion.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Fri 17 May, 2019 09:41 pm
@MontereyJack,
Nicaragua under the Sandinistas during the Cold War didn't go Communist because of Oliver North and the Contra rebels.

Nicaragua under the Sandinistas after the Cold War didn't go Communist because Communism was dead.

The disastrous economies in Latin America got that way solely because of leftist mismanagement. The US had nothing to do with it.
MontereyJack
 
  3  
Fri 17 May, 2019 11:44 pm
@oralloy,
The oligarchic elites in latin America rold rhe gop cold warriors rhat the forces that opposed them were comunists, which wasn't true, they were only forces that wanted freedom from centuries of oppression, butthe sathe cold war warriors in the usa who saw everything only in terms of east versus west were only too happy to play along and got conned, and a whole lot of innocents died as a result. Northndinistas were in power for a dozen years before the ussr fell. they had ample opportunity to go communist but they didn't. The whole thing was a con by the oligarchic right wing to get the US to support them against the sandinistas, as happened over and over again in Latin America. Oliver north got a whole loty of people killed for something that wasn't going to happen anyway, no matter what he did. The cold warriors in dc who saw ecerything only in terms of Russia vs the usa insisted in forcing that view onto situations where it was a total misrepresentation of what was going on on the ground. He basically fucked the country over for no purpose. And the ovedrwheming majority of latin americn economies were oligarchies run for the benefit of the small elite upper crust who monopolized land ownership and agriculture and productive capacity. They were no leftists. Tht's the legacy of colonialism there for three centuries. And the US's tetment of them, which was essentyially economic colonialism contributed to it.










sandanistas
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Fri 17 May, 2019 11:58 pm
@oralloy,
The Sandinistas were in power for a dozen years before the USSR collapsed. They had ample opportunity to go communist and they didn't. The whole fear that they would was nothing but an authoritarian right wing delusion and an attempt to draw the US in to support the oppressive regime that was spreading the lies. Oliver
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glitterbag
 
  3  
Sat 18 May, 2019 12:18 am
@MontereyJack,
Col. North also deceived many people in the intelligence agencies in order to gain access to special equipment he wanted. I know several of the people who were contacts for North and also what happened to them when Iran-Contra was discovered and investigated. It wasn't good for them, they trusted North and North sold them down the river. Intelligence professionals who worked during that time absolutely hate what Ollie did.
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glitterbag
 
  3  
Sat 18 May, 2019 12:28 am
@georgeob1,
Yeah, but during Iran-Contra investigations he lied about his involvement and he didn't stand up and admit the lies he told to our Agency personnel to convince them to cooperate......People lost their jobs for believing North's happy horse **** and Ollie never copped to his deceits. After all was said and done, some of our executives had trusted North and provided sensitive instruments and Ollie would promise to sign for the equipment later. Didn't happen, Ollie got a pardon, NSA folks got fired or demoted. North didn't bat an eye....because his ambition and desire to become a General obscured his view of responsible leadership.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Sat 18 May, 2019 08:31 am
SNL has always leaned to the Left.

georgeob1
 
  1  
Sat 18 May, 2019 08:54 am
@MontereyJack,
You write that the "Sandinistas wanted only freedom from centuries of oppression" but the fact is that once they seized power they merely took the property (and residences) of the previous elite, which they expelled and exterminated and them proceeded to behave much in in the authoritarian way of their predecessor, Somoza. The only thing that changed under Ortega was the rhetoric.
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Sat 18 May, 2019 09:17 am
@coldjoint,
Largely because the uber right has done so many stupid things richly deserving of satire
coldjoint
 
  0  
Sat 18 May, 2019 11:16 am
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
Largely because the uber right has done so many stupid things richly deserving of satire

Then why have the nitwits here voted it down?
hightor
 
  3  
Sat 18 May, 2019 11:17 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
The only thing that changed under Ortega was the rhetoric.

And the fact that the most powerful military force in the world was instigating and arming a civil rebellion. Kind of hard to pursue policies which reflect democratic values when the government's authority is being undermined.
izzythepush
 
  0  
Sat 18 May, 2019 11:20 am
@hightor,
And a pretty decent album from the only band that matters.

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georgeob1
 
  0  
Sat 18 May, 2019 11:31 am
@hightor,
No one has been undermining Nicaragua's affairs for the past 20 years, yet it remains in the hands of a corrupt, self serving autocracy, and with little economic growth and widespread poverty. Now that Ortega's Patrons in Venezuela have dissipated the wealth and productivity of that once prosperous country, there are no more Venezuelan subsidies for either Nicaragua and Cuba. We shall see how these highly authoritarian "people's paradises" fare under these circumstances.

Both countries once looked to the Soviet Union for guidance and subsidies to create the illusion that their socialist systems were working. Cuba struggled through the transition through severe public repression by the authoritarian state. and was later economically rescued by Chavez. Meanwhile Nicaragua gave up the pretense of socialism and drifted into stupor of typical Central American thuggish autocracies. Now both are faced with the challenge of living up to their promises of general welfare on their own. The victims here are the people of both Cuba and Nicaragua.
hightor
 
  2  
Sat 18 May, 2019 11:43 am
@georgeob1,
I'm not defending the current regime. But — as with the Cuban revolution — the main goal of the USA was to make sure the revolution failed. We pretty much drove these struggling governments into the other (Soviet) camp and lost any hope of exerting a democratic or moderating influence. The more repression the better.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Sat 18 May, 2019 11:49 am
@hightor,
Quote:
drove these struggling governments into the other (Soviet) camp

Their greed and lust for power drove them away from a Democratic system, of course the Communists would be there.
 

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