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Lash
 
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Sun 12 May, 2019 07:30 am
@hightor,
When newspapers print lies and work with pollsters to intentionally mislead the public in a wild power play to throw an election —and everybody knows it—and no one is held accountable for it, this is a huge step toward totalitarian control of a country.

When news anchors — with a straight face—tell Bernie Sanders that Joe Biden is the the most progressive candidate in the race on camera to affect an election, this is a step toward fascism. They lie with impunity to maintain the status quo.

The Center (which has morphed from ideological foundations to mindless tribes) is putting their idea of the collective over the individual. This collective fights truth, logic, and the future to maintain a status quo that is killing off regular Americans, censuring truth, and using journalism, polling, vocal factions in the FBI, the CIA, the military industrial complex, and who the **** knows what else to maintain corporate / oligarchic control over this country.

This period in American history will be remembered as our last chance to destroy the power structure and take back our country.

People will wonder why we did nothing to stop our government. Reminds me of the Germans who saw Jews being rounded up, harassed, beaten and remained silent.

These moves are too massively anti-democratic to ignore.





hightor
 
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Sun 12 May, 2019 08:51 am
@Lash,
But what is this "new fascism" coming from the left? That's the point I wished to see clarified.
Quote:
When newspapers print lies and work with pollsters to intentionally mislead the public in a wild power play to throw an election —and everybody knows it—and no one is held accountable for it, this is a huge step toward totalitarian control of a country.

I think I know what you're talking about, but I believe the consequences you see are somewhat exaggerated. Opinion polls, no matter how skewed, are very different from the crooked plebiscites often seen in real totalitarian countries.
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This period in American history will be remembered as our last chance to destroy the power structure and take back our country.

It's a worldwide phenomenon, and not restricted to the USA by any means. I think it's as much an anthropological problem as a political one.

Simply "destroying the power structure" seems short-sighted as a goal. That's a recipe for anarchy and the probable emergence of a new power structure which is no better than the corporate controlled oligarchy we see today.
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People will wonder why we did nothing to stop our government.
People elected Trump, didn't they? His administration has done a lot to "stop the government" — stopped collecting the revenue necessary to reduce the staggering deficit, stopped supporting political democracy in Europe, stopped any effort to fix the problems in the ACA, stopped the government from ordering industries to curb pollution, stopped any effort to reign in carbon emissions, stopped the government from recognizing long held positions on people seeking asylum, stopped promoting gender equality. Personally, I feel that "stopping the government" is not a particularly constructive tactic — if anything, responsible government needs a shot in the arm, not in the head.

Real Music
 
  3  
Sun 12 May, 2019 08:56 am
@Lash,
Quote:
When news anchors — with a straight face—tell Bernie Sanders that Joe Biden is the the most progressive candidate in the race on camera to affect an election

I might be wrong, but I have never heard any news anchor ever telling Bernie Sanders that Joe Biden is the most progressive candidate in the race.

Do you have any evidence of a news anchor actually saying this to Bernie Sanders?
maporsche
 
  3  
Sun 12 May, 2019 09:16 am
@Real Music,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJENtp_-j1U

At the 4:30 mark, Al says "...but Joe Biden says he's the most progressive guy in the race. You would concede that?"

Al was asking a question and giving Bernie the chance to show how he's more progressive than Biden.

Maybe there's another video that does that, but this is the one that I've seen progressives get in a tissy over....why I'm not sure. Bernie comes out of this interview looking as good as he ever does.

Bernie also says "I like Joe. I respect Joe." --- I imagine if Joe wins the nomination he'll get Bernie's vote.
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blatham
 
  1  
Sun 12 May, 2019 09:20 am
@hightor,
Quote:
There is a new fascism happening on the ground that is coming from the left.
My perception is that it's happening in the air.
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Lash
 
  0  
Sun 12 May, 2019 09:21 am
@Real Music,
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I was wrong. I watched a much shorter clip framed by a misleading intro.

Sharpton was trying to goad Bernie into personal criticism of Biden, not making the claim.
blatham
 
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Sun 12 May, 2019 09:26 am
@Lash,
Quote:
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I was wrong.
Good on you.
Quote:
I watched a much shorter clip framed by a misleading intro.
Here's where you ought to reverse-engineer your notion and see if someone is purposefully misinforming you, which certainly looks to be the case.
Lash
 
  0  
Sun 12 May, 2019 09:42 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

But what is this "new fascism" coming from the left? That's the point I wished to see clarified.
Quote:
When newspapers print lies and work with pollsters to intentionally mislead the public in a wild power play to throw an election —and everybody knows it—and no one is held accountable for it, this is a huge step toward totalitarian control of a country.

The rash of new polls showing Biden substantially over Bernie polls a sample that is 2/3 comprised of people over 50, which is expected to lean Biden. This method is designed to make it appear that Biden is the overwhelming choice—when he is not.
I think I know what you're talking about, but I believe the consequences you see are somewhat exaggerated. Opinion polls, no matter how skewed, are very different from the crooked plebiscites often seen in real totalitarian countries.
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This period in American history will be remembered as our last chance to destroy the power structure and take back our country.

You don’t wake up one day in a tightly controlled society. I’d think a fan of incrementalism would appreciate the truth in that. Jews were put off their bikes before kristallnacht...
It's a worldwide phenomenon, and not restricted to the USA by any means. I think it's as much an anthropological problem as a political one.
So, please hush talk of what’s happening in the US because it’s happening all over the world?
Simply "destroying the power structure" seems short-sighted as a goal. That's a recipe for anarchy and the probable emergence of a new power structure which is no better than the corporate controlled oligarchy we see today.
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People will wonder why we did nothing to stop our government.
Destroying the oligarchic control means overturning Citizens United, returning to Glass-Steagall, enforcing stronger campaign finance laws—closing all the greedy, corrupt loopholes opened by crooks in DC.

People elected Trump, didn't they? His administration has done a lot to "stop the government" — stopped collecting the revenue necessary to reduce the staggering deficit, stopped supporting political democracy in Europe, stopped any effort to fix the problems in the ACA, stopped the government from ordering industries to curb pollution, stopped any effort to reign in carbon emissions, stopped the government from recognizing long held positions on people seeking asylum, stopped promoting gender equality. Personally, I feel that "stopping the government" is not a particularly constructive tactic — if anything, responsible government needs a shot in the arm, not in the head.
The election of trump was a crazed repudiation of the status quo.
The election of Bernie Sanders will be a precise attempt to return normalcy to US government and deliver an FDR-styled salvation to those who’ve been nearly destroyed by rampant government corruption
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Lash
 
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Sun 12 May, 2019 09:43 am
@blatham,
You first.
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Lash
 
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Sun 12 May, 2019 11:25 am
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livinglava
 
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Sun 12 May, 2019 11:31 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

People elected Trump, didn't they? His administration has done a lot to "stop the government" — stopped collecting the revenue necessary to reduce the staggering deficit, stopped supporting political democracy in Europe, stopped any effort to fix the problems in the ACA, stopped the government from ordering industries to curb pollution, stopped any effort to reign in carbon emissions, stopped the government from recognizing long held positions on people seeking asylum, stopped promoting gender equality. Personally, I feel that "stopping the government" is not a particularly constructive tactic — if anything, responsible government needs a shot in the arm, not in the head.

Increasing tax revenues only promotes more spending on the premise that the taxes will cover the cost.

Supporting political democracy in Europe? It is up to people to choose democracy. If they give up on democracy whenever they're not being supported, they were never interested in democracy to begin with. The problem is what to do when people become enemies of democracy, whether it's happening domestically or abroad.

Asylum and migration are legitimate political institutions that can be abused and exploited for other reasons. When people are seeking asylum because of bullies who are bullying them to push them into migrating someplace where they can make money and send it back to the bullies as ransom, the asylum process has become accessory to the bullies refugees are fleeing.

Gender equality? What is equality in a society with division of labor and class stratification? Everyone is created equal, so why do we continue to argue that there are inequalities? The reason is because of exploitation. Instead of talking in terms of equality, why not just focus on discrimination and exploitation? There will never be equality of outcome, but people don't have to discriminate against each other and exploit each other on the basis of gender or any other identity difference.
Lash
 
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Sun 12 May, 2019 11:45 am
@livinglava,
Lash DID NOT write what you attributed to her in that post.
blatham
 
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Sun 12 May, 2019 12:01 pm
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Trump backers applaud Warren in heart of MAGA country
KERMIT, W. Va. — It was a startling spectacle in the heart of Trump country: At least a dozen supporters of the president — some wearing MAGA stickers — nodding their heads, at times even clapping, for liberal firebrand Elizabeth Warren.

The sighting alone of a Democratic presidential candidate in this town of fewer than 400 people — in a county where more than four in five voters cast their ballot for Trump in 2016 — was unusual. Warren’s team was apprehensive about how she’d be received.
https://politi.co/2YnwQ0g

That's a healthy indicator. This woman ain't lazy.
blatham
 
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Sun 12 May, 2019 12:31 pm
@blatham,
I'll add a point here. There have been no small number of people suggesting that Warren is "unelectable" because she lacks charisma. I do not think that correct at all. From the beginning of her rise to public notice, she has been received very well by audiences she speaks to. In fact, initial coverage of her noted this enthusiastic response.

It may be that some significant portion of this reticence to see her move forward is actually a manifestation of sexism or the valid fear that sexism remains a serious problem in American culture. That one is pretty difficult for me to weigh but it certainly looks to have been an element in Clinton's loss (as it was in the 30 year campaign against her).

I do believe that the greatest hope for America is a very robust enthusiasm and activism from women. I don't know that Biden or Sanders or another male will be able to foster that to the degree I think necessary.
hightor
 
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Sun 12 May, 2019 01:46 pm
@livinglava,
What does your reply have to do with stopping the government?

And apologize to Lash.
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hightor
 
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Sun 12 May, 2019 01:55 pm
@blatham,
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... or the valid fear that sexism remains a serious problem in American culture.

Which will still get you accused of sexism.

I had a similar fear about Obama — half-African with a weird name — but the electorate was able to look past that and discern qualities which earned him their support. I suspect it would be the same with any of the women running. When it's not the generic "woman candidate" but a specific individual with a good record, some rhetorical ability, and most importantly, a constructive program I think even some white men could provide support.
blatham
 
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Sun 12 May, 2019 02:16 pm
@hightor,
Yes. The contest between Obama and Hillary was painful because so many of us wanted a female but also wanted to see an African American in the WH. Friendships were damaged.

And I think you're quite right that a formidable female candidate who has a demonstrated record of integrity and hard work and who can speak coherently and movingly will be able to overcome sexist traditions. The disadvantages of being female will, I'm certain, be outweighed by the enthusiasm of women voters. And that's not even to mention those of us dudes who believe women bring particular (and much needed) values to the political debate, the Supreme Court being a very apt example.
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oralloy
 
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Sun 12 May, 2019 03:12 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
Lash DID NOT write what you attributed to her in that post.

What is the point of not using the proper system for signifying quotes in a post? All it does is cause confusion.

Plus it's annoying to have add in proper quote codes throughout a post (so that the reply is not similarly confusing) when replying to such a message.
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snood
 
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Sun 12 May, 2019 03:14 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
... or the valid fear that sexism remains a serious problem in American culture.

Which will still get you accused of sexism.

I had a similar fear about Obama — half-African with a weird name — but the electorate was able to look past that and discern qualities which earned him their support. I suspect it would be the same with any of the women running. When it's not the generic "woman candidate" but a specific individual with a good record, some rhetorical ability, and most importantly, a constructive program I think even some white men could provide support.


Sure would be nice if they required all those qualities in all the candidates they support.
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coldjoint
 
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Sun 12 May, 2019 06:18 pm
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Pelosi’s Holy Imam Compared Jews to Nazis and Homosexuality to Bestiality

Not exactly in line with Democratic party, or is it? The facts about Suleiman are and have been out there. Why would he be asked to pray in our Congress?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/05/pelosis-holy-imam-compared-jews-to-nazis-and-homosexuality-to-bestiality/
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