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Lash
 
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Sat 4 May, 2019 01:38 am
@Brand X,

Brand X wrote:

Tulsi Gabbard

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Shameless. Some members of Congress are acting as the mouthpiece for the theocratic dictatorship of Saudi-Arabia—literally reading off a script—as the Saudis spend millions to lock up American support for their genocidal war in Yemen & push for war w/ Iran

https://theintercept.com/2019/05/02/yemen-war-powers-resolution-saudi-lobbyists/

This is a good example of why Tulsi has some progressive credibility. She will call anybody’s ass out about Saudi Arabia. Few will.
Lash
 
  -1  
Sat 4 May, 2019 02:05 am

After pointedly reminding Dr. Zhivago that he's "been listening to rumormongers, Comrade. There is no typhus in our city," the delegate shortly thereafter has Zhivago pulled from work to discreetly diagnose an ill man in the house.

Zhivago: Why? Is it typhus?
Zhivago: (after inspecting patient) It isn't typhus. It's another disease we don't have in Moscow: starvation.
Delegate: That seems to give you satisfaction.
Zhivago: It would give me satisfaction to hear you admit it.
Delegate: Would it? Why?
Zhivago: Because it is so.
Delegate: Your attitude is noticed, you know. Oh, yes, it's been noticed!

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Lash
 
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Sat 4 May, 2019 02:26 am
Obama has some odd things to say about 2016–some, interesting.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6985985/Obama-blamed-Hillary-2016-loss-scripted-soulless-campaign.html

At least he blames Hillary.😃
Olivier5
 
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Sat 4 May, 2019 02:29 am
@RABEL222,
I understand that the US has to work within a two party system, due to the one-turn voting system. It has pros and cons in my view. Eg more stable, but also more polarising than a multi party system (hence the constant but in the main illusionary calls for "working across the aisle").

In my view there's no perfect system for representative democracy. The two-party system is here to stay, I would think, and rather than fantacize about getting rid of it (not saying that's what you're doing but a lot of people bitch about it) it would be more productive to try and make it work more for the people and less for the lobbies.
Olivier5
 
  3  
Sat 4 May, 2019 02:45 am
@Lash,
Including:

Quote:
Baker's book also gives new insight into why Obama was so hesitant about criticizing Russia for meddling in the 2016 election before vote took place.

Obama was led by his 'cautious don't-do-stupid-s**t instincts' and feared that a forceful response would make Russia 'escalate' its operation.

Then there was the question of how Trump would react and Obama admitted that 'if I speak out more, he'll just say it's rigged'.

Obama wrongly assumed that Clinton would win the election and Obama said in one meeting that Russian President Vladimir Putin 'backed the wrong horse'.

In the end Obama would wait until after the election result before expelling Russian diplomats and it was only weeks before he left office that he released the intelligence assessment confirming that the hacking was done by the Kremlin.
blatham
 
  2  
Sat 4 May, 2019 02:50 am
@Lash,
Quote:
Obama has some odd things to say about 2016–some, interesting.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6985985/Obama-blamed-Hillary-2016-loss-scripted-soulless-campaign.html

At least he blames Hillary.😃

Not a surprising source for you. The DM is a Brit tabloid of the crap variety. It has proved a useful too in the past for right wing US politicos as when Cheney's people used it to plant a false story on Iraq and weapons programs. Cheney then went on to forward the false information in US media with the preface, "The British newspapers are reporting...." This is an old propaganda technique. Here's a bit from wikipedia on the DM
Quote:
The Daily Mail has been widely criticised for its unreliability, as well as printing of sensationalist and inaccurate scare stories of science and medical research,[12][13][14][15][16] and for copyright violations.[17]
The "scripted, soulless campaign" is not a quote from Obama, but from Baker. But folks should take a look at the piece as an example of **** journalism.
Lash
 
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Sat 4 May, 2019 02:51 am
@Olivier5,
Yes. I saw that.

Russia didn’t change votes.
They’ve always done this.
We actually overthrow governments and do this type of infiltration on the regular—check out Iran, Iraq, Libya, Venezuela...
They just trotted our intel on Russia out because the Dems were embarrassed by their horrific loss.

I was guilty of saying the same things Russian actors were saying.

Now, look. Obama said many of the same things Russia and I said.
Lash
 
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Sat 4 May, 2019 02:52 am
@blatham,
Then Obama will certainly sue. I’ll wait.
Lash
 
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Sat 4 May, 2019 02:58 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Quote:
Obama has some odd things to say about 2016–some, interesting.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6985985/Obama-blamed-Hillary-2016-loss-scripted-soulless-campaign.html

At least he blames Hillary.😃

Not a surprising source for you. The DM is a Brit tabloid of the crap variety. It has proved a useful too in the past for right wing US politicos as when Cheney's people used it to plant a false story on Iraq and weapons programs. Cheney then went on to forward the false information in US media with the preface, "The British newspapers are reporting...." This is an old propaganda technique. Here's a bit from wikipedia on the DM
Quote:
The Daily Mail has been widely criticised for its unreliability, as well as printing of sensationalist and inaccurate scare stories of science and medical
research,[12][13][14][15][16] and for copyright violations.[17]
The "scripted, soulless campaign" is not a quote from Obama, but from Baker. But folks should take a look at the piece as an example of **** journalism.

Take a look around, sycophant. They all have it. But not a surprise from you. Mindless and tribal to the end. Even Obama can speak outside the brainless bubble occasionally.
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blatham
 
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Sat 4 May, 2019 03:01 am
@Lash,
Sue? Your understanding of libel law isn't top notch.

And the claim in your prior post (Russia didn't change votes) is the boilerplate right wing/Republican claim. How odd you'd repeat it.
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Lash
 
  -1  
Sat 4 May, 2019 03:03 am
She spent how much money and energy ‘testing slogans’ 85!!! 85 test groups!! until they settled for Stronger Together.

She had no idea why she was running — other than she thought it was her turn.
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Builder
 
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Sat 4 May, 2019 03:34 am
@glitterbag,
Quote:
I hope your son has a green card.


Apparently it's a 200 page application, which sounds reasonable.

I've slotted away some cash, in case he needs to skedaddle.

Thanks for your concern.
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blatham
 
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Sat 4 May, 2019 04:02 am
Quote:
read Obama’s book
Good tip. What is your favorite chapter? And why?
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hightor
 
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Sat 4 May, 2019 04:02 am
@Olivier5,
It's okay to call out people as ill-prepared for a prospective job. Sometimes it's true. Assessing the known strengths and weaknesses of a person and measuring them against the problems they are likely to face is done all the time. Both candidates have a long history of public service and it's fair for seasoned columnists to raise these point if, for nothing else, to enrich political discussion.

When I hear phrases like "champion of the people" I'm left asking "What people?" There are all kinds of people. Who gets to choose which particular subset of the human population gets to assume the role as the real, the authentic people? What's the criterion? The "people" vote for LePen and Brexit, the "people" elected Putin, Duterte,and Trump, the "people" don't want to pay taxes, the "people" don't want to vaccinate their kids, and the "people" can barely be bothered to inform themselves to a sufficient degree to make intelligent choices on the ballot.

There's a Christian theme running through this glorification of the "people" as portrayed by the historic left and the right-wing neo-populists, that somehow the meek and the downtrodden are more perfect in the eyes of the creator or something and we're all waiting for Judgment Day when the tables will be turned and the justice will be served. The whole concept gives me the heebie-jeebies — it's politics based on a convenient moral fantasy, because after all, you and I are part deserving "people" too. The best case for any political action is that which can be argued without reference to morality or appeal to sentiment.

"Incrementalism" is not really a prescriptive belief system; incrementalism is a descriptive result, the result of the delays, derailments, and disasters caused by the breakdown of the political process in liberal democracies worldwide. It's difficult to enact social change when each side is intent on undoing the other side's work and the sides are split roughly fifty-fifty.
izzythepush
 
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Sat 4 May, 2019 04:18 am
@blatham,
It has inspired a couple of songs though.



blatham
 
  1  
Sat 4 May, 2019 04:19 am
@hightor,
I hope Olivier takes time with your post. It's very well reasoned and composed.
Quote:
"Incrementalism" is not really a prescriptive belief system; incrementalism is a descriptive result, the result of the delays, derailments, and disasters caused by the breakdown of the political process in liberal democracies worldwide. It's difficult to enact social change when each side is intent on undoing the other side's work and the sides are split roughly fifty-fifty.
Agreed. And I'll toss in another aspect to this. The urge/wish for sudden and comprehensive change in governance is not unfamiliar to the authoritarian mind. Impatience with the pace of change and the institutional road blocks inhibiting change are driving forces behind many/most political movements but such impatience is also a fundamental characteristic of despotism. We simply need to look at much of what Trump is now up to in order to see how this can go very wrong indeed.
Olivier5
 
  2  
Sat 4 May, 2019 04:22 am
@Lash,
Of course Russia changed votes. You think they are doing it for the fun of trolling? Think again. It worked.
blatham
 
  2  
Sat 4 May, 2019 04:23 am
@izzythepush,
Beautiful. The first one with its allusion to Dylan's Subterranean Homesick Blues is very good.

Great paper, the Daily Mail.
blatham
 
  1  
Sat 4 May, 2019 04:32 am
I like this a lot.
Quote:
Biden opens big-donor fundraisers to the press
By offering access to private fundraisers, his campaign is nodding to transparency — and putting the former veep on notice that anything he says will be public.
https://politi.co/2H2CIGw
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Lash
 
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Sat 4 May, 2019 04:50 am
@Olivier5,
Plenty of people were making the same arguments. They just added voices. They didn’t take a Hillary vote and change it.

Hillary Clinton lost that election—and Obama agrees.
 

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