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Builder
 
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Fri 3 May, 2019 02:47 am
@snood,
My son lives in Alabama, but I'd have to ask, what does your question have to do with my response?
Olivier5
 
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Fri 3 May, 2019 03:34 am
@hightor,
Sure, Biden's call for bipartisanship rings hollow nowadays. But on Sanders, the op-ed basically builds a strawman to burn it down. Krugman has never understood Sanders and cannot take a good measure of him.

It's not like the repukes are going to be enthused by Mayor Pete or Harris, either.

I got news for Krugman: nobody is ever ready and prepared for what's coming. Life is but one long improvisation. When you're ready, you die.
hightor
 
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Fri 3 May, 2019 04:37 am
@Olivier5,
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But on Sanders, the op-ed basically builds a strawman to burn it down.

I'm not sure I see this. For instance, Mr. Sanders pitch for "Medicare for All" is widely seen as one of his signature issues. But half of the country already has private health insurance plans that they are satisfied with. Not only will they see the move as unnecessary but as something that will raise their taxes as well.
Quote:
Krugman has never understood Sanders and cannot take a good measure of him.

I never thought Mr. Sanders's candidacy was that complex. What am I missing?
Quote:
It's not like the repukes are going to be enthused by Mayor Pete or Harris, either

I don't think they're looking for or expecting Republican support. They want votes from the 40% of the electorate who aren't enrolled in either party. They might peel off some moderate Republicans in the process.
Quote:
Life is but one long improvisation.

True, but much regurgitation of the familiar occurs in even the most creative improvisation.
Olivier5
 
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Fri 3 May, 2019 06:23 am
@hightor,
Krugman asks "Are they ready for the political trench warfare that would inevitably follow a Democratic victory?" And follows to answer that neither Biden nor Sanders is "prepared" to govern after their putative victory.

The point I am trying to make is: nobody is prepared for that. No Dem candidate can look into his or her crystal ball and say: I'll beat the rabid Republicans by doing a, b and c. Even Krugman himself is not "prepared". So his question is in fact irrelevant, and probably a form of bad faith, at some level.

Many north Americans, even on the left, have failed to understand what to me (and to other left-leaning Europeans and many South Americans) appears as fairly obvious: the value of Sanders as a champion of the people. And it's not because they are idiots nor because the value of Sanders is particularly "complex". It's because they are prisonner of their belief in incrementalism. They see Sanders as a threat to their once hegemonious "third way" thinking; he is a reproach, a disavowal, a reminder that "neoliberals" were a bit too quick to forget about their duty to care for the poor and the weak.
georgeob1
 
  -2  
Fri 3 May, 2019 06:52 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:

They see Sanders as a threat to their once hegemonious "third way" thinking; he is a reproach, a disavowal, a reminder that "neoliberals" were a bit too quick to forget about their duty to care for the poor and the weak.


… and to create more dependent, poor and weak supporters in the process.
snood
 
  3  
Fri 3 May, 2019 07:03 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:

My son lives in Alabama, but I'd have to ask, what does your question have to do with my response?



Really? In your immediately previous response to Hightor you said that Biden and Sanders were out of touch with the reality of living in America. So I wondered if you think Trump has a firm grasp on that reality.
Olivier5
 
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Fri 3 May, 2019 07:29 am
@georgeob1,
Get yourself a heart, will you?
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revelette1
 
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Fri 3 May, 2019 08:37 am
Quote:
Fact check: Trump's double-false claim about GDP

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump told Fox Business Network the country reached a rate of growth last quarter that hadn't been seen in 14 years. That's false in two ways and correct in none.

TRUMP: "We just did 3.2 ... 3.2 is a number that they haven't hit in 14 years." — interview broadcast Wednesday.

THE FACTS: It's nowhere close to the best in 14 years, by any measure. The rise in the first quarter of 3.2% in the gross national product was only the best since last year. It was surpassed in the second and third quarters with rates of 4.2% and 3.4% respectively.

Perhaps he meant to say it was the best first-quarter growth in 14 years. But that's not right, either. It's the best in four years.

The economy grew by 3.3% in the first quarter of 2015. So President Barack Obama has a better first-quarter record than Trump to date.



AP
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revelette1
 
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Fri 3 May, 2019 09:08 am
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The Catastrophic Performance of Bill Barr

I was willing to give Bill Barr a chance.
Consider me burned.

When Barr was nominated, I wrote a cautious piece for this magazine declining to give him “a character reference” and acknowledging “legitimate reasons to be concerned about [his] nomination,” but nonetheless concluding that “I suspect that he is likely as good as we’re going to get. And he might well be good enough. Because most of all, what the department needs right now is honest leadership that will insulate it from the predations of the president.”

When he wrote his first letter to Congress announcing the principal conclusions of the Mueller report, I wrote another piece saying, “For the next two weeks, let’s give Attorney General William Barr the benefit of the doubt” on the question of releasing the report in a timely and not-too-redacted fashion.

I took a lot of criticism for these pieces—particularly the second one, in which I specifically said we should evaluate Barr’s actual performance in regard to releasing the Mueller report, and thus wait for him to act, rather than denouncing him preemptively.

Barr has now acted, and we can now evaluate his actual, rather than his hypothesized, performance.

It has been catastrophic. Not in my memory has a sitting attorney general more diminished the credibility of his department on any subject. It is a kind of trope of political opposition in every administration that the attorney general—whoever he or she is—is politicizing the Justice Department and acting as a defense lawyer for the president. In this case it is true.

Barr has consistently sought to spin his department’s work in a highly political fashion, and he has done so to cast the president’s conduct in the most favorable possible light. Trump serially complained that Jeff Sessions didn’t act to “protect” him. Matthew Whitaker never had the stature or internal clout to do so effectively. In Barr, Trump has found his man.

Ironically, the redactions on the report—the matter on which I urged giving Barr the benefit of the doubt—are the one major area where his performance has been respectable. On this matter, he laid out a time frame for the release of the report. He met it. His redactions, as best as I can tell, were not unreasonable, though they were aggressive in some specific areas. To whatever extent he went overboard, Congress has a far-less-redacted version. The public, in any event, has access to a detailed account of Mueller’s conclusions. On this point, Barr did as he said he would.

Where Barr has utterly failed, by contrast, is in providing “honest leadership that insulates [the department] from the predations of the president.” I confess I am surprised by this. I have never known Barr well, but I thought better of him than that.

The core of the problem is not that Barr moved, as many people worried he would, to suppress the report; it is what he has said about it. I have spent a great deal of time with the Mueller report, about which Barr’s public statements are simply indefensible. The mischaracterizations began in his first letter. They got worse during his press conference the morning he released the document. And they grew worse still yesterday in his testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Barr did not lie in any of these statements. He did not, as some people insist, commit perjury. I haven’t found a sentence he has written or said that cannot be defended as truthful on its own terms, if only in some literal sense. But it is possible to mislead without lying. One can be dishonest before Congress without perjury. And one can convey sweeping untruths without substantial factual misstatement. This is what Barr has been doing since that first letter. And it is utterly beneath the United States Department of Justice.

The dishonesty only begins with the laughably selective quotation of Mueller’s report in Barr’s original letter, the scope of which Charlie Savage laid out in a remarkable New York Times article shortly after the full report was released. I urge people to look at Savage’s side-by-side quotations. The distortion of Mueller’s meaning across a range of areas is not subtle, and it’s not hard to understand why Mueller himself wrote to Barr saying that the attorney general’s letter “did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance of this Office’s work and conclusions.

Barr, before the Senate yesterday, described the letter as “snitty.” Actually, it was generous. As Paul Rosenzweig summarized the situation on Lawfare, “the excerpts of the report contained in Barr’s original summary letter are at best a favorable spin on the report and at worst a rather transparent effort to mislead the public in advance of the report’s release.”

But selective quotation is actually only one of the means by which Barr is misstating Mueller’s findings. Here I want to focus on the substantive content of his mischaracterization of them—that is, not how he is doing it, but what Barr is doing.

As I read them, Barr’s public statements on the report reflect at least seven different layers of substantive misrepresentation, layers which build on one another into a dramatic rewriting of the president’s conduct—and of Mueller’s findings about the president’s conduct. It is worth unpacking and disentangling these misrepresentations, because each is mischievous on its own, but together they operate as a disinformation campaign being run by the senior leadership of the Justice Department.

The first element is Barr’s repeated conflation of that which Mueller has deemed to be not provable to the exacting standards of criminal law with that which is not true at all or for which there is no evidence. Mueller determined that the evidence “did not establish” Trump-campaign participation in a criminal conspiracy with the Russians to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. Mueller also makes clear that when his report describes that “the investigation did not establish particular facts,” this “does not mean there was no evidence of those facts.”

Yet Barr frequently talks as though Mueller found nothing of concern with respect to the underlying conduct on the part of the Trump campaign. “So that is the bottom line,” Barr said at his press conference. “After nearly two years of investigation, thousands of subpoenas, and hundreds of warrants and witness interviews, the special counsel confirmed that the Russian government sponsored efforts to illegally interfere with the 2016 presidential election but did not find that the Trump campaign or other Americans colluded in those schemes.”

Barr began his next sentence with, “After finding no underlying collusion with Russia …” Note his shift. In the first iteration, Barr is describing—accurately, if generously—that Mueller “did not find” something. By the second, however, he has pivoted to imply that Mueller found it didn’t happen. Barr vacillates in his public statements frequently from such careful, lawyerly descriptions of what Mueller did not find or establish to sweeping statements of vindication for Trump and his campaign.

The text of the Mueller report leads me to suspect that Mueller does not share Barr’s cavalier attitude toward the voluminous contacts between Russians and Trump-campaign figures and the positive enthusiasm for, and pursuit of, hacked emails on the part of the campaign. Had Mueller found no evidence of conspiracy, rather than insufficient evidence, he would have said so.

Barr’s second sleight of hand—also visible in the quotations above—is rendering the absence of a criminal-conspiracy charge as reflecting an active finding of “no collusion.” These two are very different matters. Conspiracy is a criminal charge. Collusion is a colloquial claim about history. Yet Barr, at his press conference, actually said that “there was in fact no collusion.” He used the phrase no collusion over and over. He even described it as the investigation’s “bottom line.”

In other words, Barr is not merely translating the absence of sufficient evidence for charges into a crime’s not taking place; he is translating the crime’s not taking place into an absence of misconduct in a more colloquial sense. He is also using the president’s specific talking point in doing so. This pair of mischaracterizations has the effect of transforming Trump into an innocent man falsely accused.

Barr amplifies this transformation with his third layer of misrepresentation: his adoption of Trump’s “spying” narrative, which states that there was something improper about the FBI’s scrutiny of campaign figures who had bizarre contacts with Russian-government officials or intermediaries. Barr has not specified precisely what he believes here, but yesterday’s Senate hearing was the second congressional hearing at which he implied darkly that the FBI leadership under James Comey had engaged in some kind of improper surveillance of the Trump campaign. In other words, not only is the president an innocent man falsely accused, but he’s now the victim of “spying on a political campaign”—as Barr put it a few weeks ago—by a biased cabal running the FBI.

To evaluate these allegations, we will have to await a forthcoming inspector general’s report on the matter. And Barr has promised some kind of review of his own as well. Suffice it for the present to say that I have seen no evidence to support these suggestions, which imply a kind of politically motivated “witch hunt” against Trump. Again, Barr is supporting political tweeting points of the president.

And here’s the fourth layer of misrepresentation. Barr has repeatedly insisted that our long-suffering president fully cooperated with the investigation, notwithstanding its illegitimate birth and the fact that there was nothing to any of the allegations it investigated. “The White House fully cooperated with the special counsel’s investigation, providing unfettered access to campaign and White House documents, directing senior aides to testify freely, and asserting no privilege claims,” he said at his press conference.

I suspect this would also come as a surprise to Mueller, who might point out that Trump tried to get witnesses not to cooperate—dangling pardons and seeming to threaten their families with investigation if they “flipped.” Mueller might point out that Trump tried to fire Mueller for conflicts that his own staff regarded as “silly” and “ridiculous.” Mueller might point out that Trump tried to rein in his jurisdiction, limiting him to the investigation of future electoral interference. Mueller might point out that Trump refused to sit for an interview and, even in written answers, refused to address questions concerning allegations of obstruction of justice. I say “might,” but Mueller actually did point all these things out in his report. Ignoring this reflects an astonishing conception of cooperation from the nation’s top prosecutor.

Fifth, it is on the collective back of these prior misrepresentations that Barr rests his particularly generous interpretation of intent in considering questions of obstruction. It is hard to read Mueller’s account of the president’s conduct as reflecting chiefly noncorrupt motives. But if you first adopt the fiction that the investigative subject is an innocent man falsely accused and being pursued by politically motivated FBI agents engaged in improper “spying,” and that he is nonetheless endeavoring in good faith to cooperate with his prosecutors, that does change the lens through which you look at his conduct. One might then indeed tend toward forgiving interpretations of the occasional eruption of anger.

One might then find, as Barr did in Mueller’s report, “substantial evidence … that the President was frustrated and angered by a sincere belief that the investigation was undermining his presidency, propelled by his political opponents, and fueled by illegal leaks.” And one might then find that evidence of such “non-corrupt motives weighs heavily against any allegation that the President had a corrupt intent to obstruct the investigation.” The trouble is that if you don’t first adopt these conceits, the weight of the evidence Mueller cites on intent really doesn’t push in that direction. It pushes in exactly the opposite direction.

Barr adopts, sixth, a related mode of obfuscation with respect to obstruction, which is to disaggregate all the episodes Mueller considers and view them in isolation from one another. Mueller specifically urged that the pattern of behavior was important. “Although the events we investigated involved discrete acts,” he wrote, “it is important to view the President’s pattern of conduct as a whole. That pattern sheds light on the nature of the President’s acts and the inferences that can be drawn about his intent.”

Indeed, it is very hard to look at Trump’s behavior toward the investigation over two years and not see malign intent. But isolate any specific fact pattern among the 10 Mueller describes, and you can diminish it. Look at any one in isolation, and—particularly if you have Barr’s hard-line views of presidential power—you might see a facially legitimate exercise of that power for which there is a plausible noncorrupt motive to which Mueller has indeed scrupulously nodded. If you miss the forest for the trees, you will miss the deforestation as well.

Finally, Barr conflates Mueller’s decision not to evaluate presidential obstruction with a decision on his part that the evidence is insufficient to find that Trump committed crimes. This is a very important misdirection on Barr’s part, because it allows him to imply not merely that he does not believe that the president committed crimes, but that Mueller does not, either.

Both at the press conference and in yesterday’s hearing, the attorney general insisted that Mueller had told him that it was not merely the Justice Department’s legal opinion stating that the president could not be indicted that prevented him from concluding that Trump had obstructed justice. “He made it clear that he had not made the determination that there was a crime” but for the opinion, Barr said at the press conference. The implication is that the issue was not just one of legal authority, but that the evidence wasn’t there either.

I don’t know what Mueller told Barr privately, but the report does not support this claim. Mueller lists four “considerations that guided our obstruction-of-justice investigation.” The first of them states that the Justice Department “has issued an opinion finding that ‘the indictment or criminal prosecution of a sitting President would impermissibly undermine the capacity of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned functions’ in violation of ‘the constitutional separation of powers.’” Because Mueller is an officer of the Justice Department, “this Office accepted [the department’s] legal conclusion for purposes of exercising prosecutorial jurisdiction.”

The use of the word jurisdiction here is not casual. It means that Mueller believes he lacks the authority to indict the president. Because of that, he goes on to explain, he did not evaluate the evidence to render a traditional prosecutorial judgment. The report offers no support for the notion that Mueller stayed his hand on obstruction out of concern for the strength of the evidence.

The effects of these layers of mischaracterization are to rewrite the Mueller report and to recast the presidential conduct described in it. The direction of the recasting just happens to dovetail with the president’s talking points, and just happens to transmute him from a scofflaw with power into a victim of the “deep state.

The mystery is why Barr is doing this. In an op-ed yesterday in The New York Times, Comey offered one hypothesis, writing that “amoral leaders have a way of revealing the character of those around them” and that “proximity to an amoral leader reveals something depressing. I think that’s at least part of what we’ve seen with Bill Barr and Rod Rosenstein. Accomplished people lacking inner strength can’t resist the compromises necessary to survive Mr. Trump and that adds up to something they will never recover from.”

This may be right. It may be the case that Barr knows that he’s spinning, and that he’s doing it—having had his soul eaten by Trump “in small bites,” in Comey’s poetic formulation—to preserve his position in the mad king’s court.

But we should also consider what is perhaps a scarier hypothesis: What if Barr actually believes it all? That is, what if he has sufficiently become a creature of the factual ecosystem of Trump’s support that he truly believes that the real problem here was not a president who accepted (noncriminally, of course) assistance from a hostile foreign power during his campaign, lied serially about it, and tried repeatedly to frustrate investigation of his conduct? What if Barr actually believes that closing a criminal case on these matters is the end of the historical conversation, as well as the end of the criminal conversation? What if he is actually untroubled by the substance of what Mueller reported and, like Rudy Giuliani, believes it’s okay for presidential candidates to take “dirt” from foreign governments on their rivals and okay for presidents to call up investigations of those rivals? What if he really believes that the true problem here was the investigators?

In some ways, the only thing scarier than an attorney general who would knowingly and cynically deliver the layers of misinformation Barr has been dishing is one who would do so because he’s all in on a collective delusion.


Atlantic

If Trump is like Henry VIII in character as I have lately been thinking, then Barr is Trump's Cromwell.
revelette1
 
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Fri 3 May, 2019 09:14 am
@snood,
https://i0.wp.com/www.weeklyhumorist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/featured-image-template-bots.png?fit=432%2C330
georgeob1
 
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Fri 3 May, 2019 09:41 am
@revelette1,
The essential findings of the Mueller report were the lack of sufficient evidence to provide probable cause for either charges of illegal collusion of obstruction of justice on the part of President Trump.

All the rest of the Democrat noise is simply a product of their unwillingness to accept the obvious legal facts. The furor over Barr's characterization of the Mueller report has everything to do with Democrat denial and hysteria about the legal outcome and , as well, the (inadequate) adverse material Mueller did find, and nothing whatever to do with the central findings of his Mueller Report of the investigation outcome; namely that after two years investigation with a large staff of Justice department lawyers and FBI investigators no sufficient evidence of either illegal collision or obstruction of justice could be found.

Mueller's snide statement regarding his "failure to exonerate Trump of Obstruction of Justice" was merely a legally meaningless distinction, probably made to facilitate continued political attacks by hysterical Democrats. Our legal system allows for only two outcomes in such an investigation, namely (1) probable cause for criminal charges and a trial; or (2) the absence thereof which, under our legal system. is tantamount to innocent.
Baldimo
 
  0  
Fri 3 May, 2019 09:55 am
@georgeob1,
There is far more evidence pointing to Hillary's guilt about classified emails on a private server than there ever was for Russian collusion. Judicial Watch is still filing FIO requests and is still finding classified emails that were not found before.
https://dailycaller.com/2019/03/22/hillary-clinton-emails-classified-private-server-judicial-watch/
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snood
 
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Fri 3 May, 2019 10:13 am
@revelette1,
Meaning?
revelette1
 
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Fri 3 May, 2019 11:26 am
@snood,
Meaning he might be a planted bot such as has been reported on these last couple of years.
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Brand X
 
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Fri 3 May, 2019 02:44 pm
Tulsi Gabbard

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Shameless. Some members of Congress are acting as the mouthpiece for the theocratic dictatorship of Saudi-Arabia—literally reading off a script—as the Saudis spend millions to lock up American support for their genocidal war in Yemen & push for war w/ Iran

https://theintercept.com/2019/05/02/yemen-war-powers-resolution-saudi-lobbyists/
RABEL222
 
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Fri 3 May, 2019 03:13 pm
@Olivier5,
You don't understand u s politics. We have in this country a two party system. Most people think of them as conservative or liberal. But actually we have a ultraconservative party, republican, and a conservative party, democrats. We haven't had a liberal party since Kennedy. 59 years ago.
georgeob1
 
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Fri 3 May, 2019 07:16 pm
@RABEL222,
It appears you don't understand U.S. politics very well either ( and perhaps less well than the one you were criticizing.).

By todays standards and indeed in relation to those of other ,then contemporary Democrat leaders Kennedy was rather conservative in his economic,and foreign policies. Though he was given to some very visible but largely inconsequential symbolic gestures, Kennedy did nothing to limit the Jim Crow Democrat regime in the Southern States that has ben oppressing Black Americans for nearly a century.

Kennedy was indeed a darling of the then East Coast urban self-appointed elites of the country, despite the evident fact that he had emerged from a previously despised (by them ) immigrant Irish Catholic family. Their values were then also very conservative by today's standards, but their esteem for Kennedy has influenced his historical image to this day.All this tells us is that self appointed elites are not nearly as forward thinking, innovative or insightful as they so complacently believe and would have us regard them.

This remains true today with contemporary "liberal" elites.
glitterbag
 
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Fri 3 May, 2019 10:26 pm
@georgeob1,
Ah yes, the East Coast urban self-appointed elites. If I remember correctly, isn't that where the 13 Original Colonies organized that old Declaration of Independence Nonsense for the rest of you 'real American' type? You're welcome.
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Builder
 
  -1  
Fri 3 May, 2019 11:32 pm
@snood,
Quote:
Really?


Yes, the lad's career path meant staying in Australia would not be viable.

Quote:
In your immediately previous response to Hightor you said that Biden and Sanders were out of touch with the reality of living in America. So I wondered if you think Trump has a firm grasp on that reality.


Career politicians of any kind don't have a clue what it's like at the coal face of life. Why would a millionaire?
glitterbag
 
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Fri 3 May, 2019 11:38 pm
@Builder,
I hope your son has a green card.
 

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