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hightor
 
  2  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 05:02 am
@Brand X,
Thanks.

Are you suggesting that we don't conduct investigations anymore because peripheral people's lives may be affected? Why should we care about collateral damage in this case but just write off the civilian casualties we cause in air strikes? Trump's environmental policies threaten to ruin a lot more lives but, hey, got to make money selling coal, right? But poor Michael Caputo, just a shadow of his former self, struggling to make ends meet. Poor Carter Page, such a nice boy, so misunderstood. And that Papadopoulos fellow, what a shame — he should never have pled "guilty".
hightor
 
  2  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 05:12 am
@Lash,
Quote:
This is one of the many reasons why Bernie voters won’t vote for who benefits from cheating.

How is being mistakenly ranked in a poll a benefit derived through "cheating"? I'll accuse MSNBC of sloppy journalism in this case but I don't see it as "cheating", nor do I see why it would be that upsetting to Sanders voters — it's one poll, the actual results are there for anyone to read, and there's a lot of time left before the primaries. Cheating?
Brand X
 
  -2  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 05:13 am
@hightor,
You went a bit Rachel Maddow with your reply, and that's the kind of hysterical rambling that ruins lives.
blatham
 
  4  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 05:20 am
@hightor,
Quote:
he should never have pled "guilty".
And Flynn. And Cohen. And Gates. And Pinedo. And van der Zwann. And Paul Manafort. Lives ruined. Sad.

This "lives ruined" is a Trump/right wing propaganda theme. And it's about as stupid as it gets if you're the type who thinks it makes sense. Those who plead guilty of crimes are the real victims. Think of their poor wives and children. Think of legal costs. Just think for a moment of the damage to the Gotti family by government investigations and court rulings. Tragedies, all. So unfair.
hightor
 
  2  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 05:23 am
@Brand X,
Quote:
...the kind of hysterical rambling that ruins lives.

Yeah, you should see the derelict winos around my neighborhood — the number increases every time I post on A2K. Opinions on a message board are so influential.

Brand X
 
  0  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 05:24 am
@hightor,
haha...
Olivier5
 
  3  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 05:26 am
@Brand X,
Traitors deserve ruin.
Brand X
 
  1  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 05:28 am
@blatham,
More truthful that Josh Marshall who foisted Russiagate conspiracy 2.5 years, and still going. Pick your poison.
blatham
 
  4  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 05:34 am
Quote:
Trump Organization and family sue Deutsche Bank and Capital One to block congressional subpoenas
https://wapo.st/2ISdIUo

More investigations! Even though the Trumps are entirely innocent (NO MONEY LAUNDERING! NO TAX EVASION!) the mere act of investigating is illegitimate because lives could be ruined.

Just think - just think! - of how much money Trump had to so unfairly hand over to the students of Trump University! Trump was victimized!
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blatham
 
  2  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 05:44 am
@Brand X,
Quote:
More truthful that Josh Marshall who foisted Russiagate conspiracy 2.5 years, and still going. Pick your poison.
First of all, your familiarity with TPM's coverage of the related issues is somewhere in the region of nothing. You do not, to put it another way, know what you are talking about.

But what I most love about your post is the equivalence you suggest between one source that has never worked for any campaign or candidate and who been doing high quality investigative journalism for about 25 years and this...
Quote:
Michael Caputo, a former Trump campaign adviser, is managing director of Buffalo-based Zeppelin Communications. He is a 30-year veteran of Republican and international campaigns.
Brand X
 
  -1  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 05:50 am
@blatham,
Well look at that, I stepped on a nerve. You're as thin skinned as Trump.
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neptuneblue
 
  2  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 05:55 am
And this is why reading the actual Monmouth University poll results from April 11-15, 2019 comes into play. The headline reads, "Biden stable, Bernie sags, Buttigieg surges"

Things that make you go hmmm.

https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/documents/monmouthpoll_us_042319.pdf/
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Brand X
 
  0  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 05:58 am
@blatham,
Did you even listen to the interviews? I bet not.

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oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 06:00 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Are you suggesting that we don't conduct investigations anymore because peripheral people's lives may be affected?

When it's just a witch hunt meant to harm people who disagree with you, yes. That sort of thing should be stopped.


hightor wrote:
Why should we care about collateral damage in this case but just write off the civilian casualties we cause in air strikes?

There is quite a difference between "a lawful wartime attack against a military target" and "Democrats conducting witch hunts against people who disagree with them".


hightor wrote:
Trump's environmental policies threaten to ruin a lot more lives but, hey, got to make money selling coal, right? But poor Michael Caputo, just a shadow of his former self, struggling to make ends meet. Poor Carter Page, such a nice boy, so misunderstood. And that Papadopoulos fellow, what a shame — he should never have pled "guilty".

Where's Joseph Welch when you need him?

"Senator, may we not drop this? We know he belonged to the Lawyers Guild ... Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator. You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?"

But have leftists ever had any sense of decency to begin with?

Outlawing the Democratic Party will end these witch hunts against the innocent people of America.
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 06:01 am
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Traitors deserve ruin.

No traitors here. Only the innocent victims of leftist witch hunts.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 06:02 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
And Flynn. And Cohen. And Gates. And Pinedo. And van der Zwann. And Paul Manafort. Lives ruined. Sad.

Outlawing the Democratic Party will bring these witch hunts to an end.


blatham wrote:
This "lives ruined" is a Trump/right wing propaganda theme.

Leftist witch hunts do ruin lives. Outlawing the Democratic Party in America will protect innocent people.


blatham wrote:
And it's about as stupid as it gets if you're the type who thinks it makes sense.

There is nothing stupid about defending innocent people.

Faking an air of intellectualism by pointing at the works of smarter people and yelling "Look everybody! I agree with what the smart people think! That makes me smart too!" is pretty dumb though.


blatham wrote:
Those who plead guilty of crimes are the real victims.

Yes, when it's a case of innocent people being pressured into pleading guilty to a crime that they didn't commit.
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blatham
 
  3  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 06:03 am
Eugene Robinson writes:
Quote:
Hatred, resentment, white supremacy and victimhood are deadly political tools. President Trump wields them with no thought to the consequences — and people die.
https://wapo.st/2J4uKhw

I think Eugene's observation, "with no thought to the consequences" is too mildly stated.

It's not so much that Trump doesn't think about the consequences as that he doesn't care about such consequences to others. Indeed, every indication is that Trump does think about this stuff but is proud of it. "Look at how many people I can hurt. Ha ha ha" is the coloring inside this horrible man. Trump is a sociopath.
Quote:
To receive a diagnosis of ASPD, someone must be older than 18. Their behaviors must show a pattern of at least three of the following seven traits:

1 Doesn’t respect social norms or laws. They consistently break laws or overstep social boundaries.
2 Lies, deceives others, uses false identities or nicknames, and uses others for personal gain.
3 Doesn’t make any long-term plans. They also often behave without thinking of consequences.
4 Shows aggressive or aggravated behavior. They consistently get into fights or physically harm others.
5 Doesn’t consider their own safety or the safety of others.
6 Doesn't follow up on personal or professional responsibilities. This can include repeatedly being late to work or not paying bills on time.
7 Doesn’t feel guilt or remorse for having harmed or mistreated others.
http://bit.ly/2J0a626

izzythepush
 
  2  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 06:04 am
Quote:
Riot police and protesters have clashed in the Honduran capital, Tegucigalpa, during protests against planned reforms of the health and education sector.

Hundreds of people had to be evacuated from a number of buildings in the city after they were set alight.

The protesters fear that the reforms could lead to mass lay-offs of teachers and doctors.

They have been on strike since Congress approved the reforms. Demonstrations were also held outside the capital.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-48103857
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 06:05 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
You do not, to put it another way, know what you are talking about.

Why, because some leftist witch hunter wrote an article saying that innocent people should be persecuted?
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Olivier5
 
  2  
Tue 30 Apr, 2019 06:08 am
@oralloy,
Traitors they are. In another era Trump and co. would have fried on the electric chair.
 

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