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blatham
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2019 04:31 am
I guess we better include Lash to Wikileaks and the great Fox team
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Wikileaks & Fox Silent On Mueller-Debunked Conspiracy Theory That Seth Rich Was DNC Leaker

Seth Rich, the murdered DNC staffer who was posthumously made the center of a right-wing theory that he’d been Wikileaks’ source for stolen Democratic emails, made a brief appearance in special counsel Robert Mueller’s redacted final report — under the heading “WikiLeaks Statements Dissembling About the Source of Stolen Materials.”


Rich, Mueller found, was not Wikileaks’ source. Instead, the website allegedly received its huge trove of stolen emails from internet personas controlled by Russian intelligence agents who’d hacked Democrats. Still, that didn’t stop Julian Assange himself, and subsequently, Fox News star Sean Hannity, from implying that Rich was involved.

Specifically, per Mueller, “Beginning in the summer of 2016, Assange and WikiLeaks made a number of statements about Seth Rich, a former DNC staff member who was killed in July 2016. The statements about Rich implied falsely that he had been the source of the stolen DNC emails.”

Rolling Stone noted Tuesday that both Fox News and Wikileaks have kept quiet about Rich since the Mueller report discredited the conspiracy theory, not responding to multiple requests from the magazine for comment.

TPM’s emails to both Fox News and Wikileaks on the subject similarly went unanswered Tuesday.

But Wikileaks, and specifically its recently arrested founder Julian Assange, did a lot to imply Rich was their source.

“Whistleblowers go to significant efforts to get us material and often very significant risks. A 27-year-old, who works for the DNC, was shot in the back, murdered just a few weeks ago for unknown reasons as he was walking down the street in Washington,” Assange told an interviewer in 2016, after Wikileaks announced a $20,000 reward for information leading to the conviction of Rich’s murderer.

Hannity followed Assange’s lead. Despite advertiser backlash and promising to stop “at this time,” he kept bringing up the conspiracy theory on his primetime show

Seth Rich’s parents Joel and Mary, who sued Fox News last year over a story the network eventually retracted about Rich having been in touch with Wikileaks (he hadn’t been), told Rolling Stone: “We appreciate that the facts included in the Mueller report confirm what we have said all along: Seth had nothing to do with taking DNC emails or WikiLeaks … Hopefully this will put to bed the harmful conspiracy theories about our sons.”

Rich’s older brother Aaron added: “The special counsel has now provided hard facts that demonstrate this conspiracy is false … I hope that the people who pushed, fueled, spread, ran headlines, articles, interviews, talk and opinion shows or in any way used my family’s tragedy to advance their political agendas — despite our pleas that what they were saying was not based on any facts — will take responsibility for the unimaginable pain they have caused us.”

Rich’s parents suit has been dismissed. A separate suit from Aaron Rich over the retracted story, Rolling Stone noted, was recently allowed to proceed.
http://bit.ly/2GE3Zio
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blatham
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2019 05:10 am
Today's first installment of Voices From The Right
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‘If this is the new normal, I want no part of it’: Citing Trump, Iowa’s longest-serving Republican leaves party

Iowa’s longest-serving Republican legislator, state Rep. Andy McKean, ditched the GOP on Tuesday as he offered a searing renunciation of President Trump, saying he could no longer support Trump as the party’s standard-bearer due to his “unacceptable behavior” and “reckless spending."

McKean revealed he would join the Democratic Party, a decision he described as a “very difficult” after spending nearly a half-century as a registered Republican and 26 years in the Legislature. But ultimately, he said, “I feel as a Republican that I need to be able to support the standard bearer of our party.”
https://wapo.st/2INZ8N4
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blatham
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2019 05:22 am
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President Trump on Tuesday said he is opposed to current and former White House aides providing testimony to congressional panels in the wake of the special counsel report, intensifying a power struggle between his administration and House Democrats.

In an interview with The Washington Post, Trump said that complying with congressional requests was unnecessary after the White House cooperated with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s probe of Russian interference and the president’s own conduct in office.

“There is no reason to go any further, and especially in Congress where it’s very partisan — obviously very partisan,” Trump said.

...“I don’t want people testifying to a party, because that is what they’re doing if they do this,” Trump said.
https://wapo.st/2IUjPqL

Quite a brain on this fellow. Given that the House (or Senate) is always led by one party or the other, there's no possible instance where Trump's formulation allows investigation of any administration. I'm sure he knows he is talking pure bullshit but that's not news.
Edit: On second thought, I can't say I'm at all sure he knows it's bullshit.
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blatham
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2019 05:31 am
I'm sure we all see the clear analogy here
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Steve King Has ‘Better Insight’ on Christ’s Suffering After House Censured Him for White Nationalism
https://nym.ag/2ITDNSg
snood
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2019 05:37 am
@Sturgis,
Once, years ago I hurt my back while lifting weights. It was serious enough to require an ambulance transport. Soon after arriving at ER, I was given an injection of meperidine (Demerol). I remember giddily thinking, “Dang, I need to hurt my back more often”.😁
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Olivier5
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2019 05:38 am
@RABEL222,
Oh no no no!... I always take great care of disagreeing with George. :-)
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oralloy
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2019 05:40 am
@blatham,
Quote:
Steve King Has 'Better Insight' on Christ's Suffering After House Censured Him for White Nationalism

It's always a mistake to give in to leftist phony outrage and lynch someone. Leftists accuse everyone in the universe of some variant of racism.
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snood
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2019 05:41 am
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

Highlighting the derogatory term you use to describe UK doesn't change anything.

My comprehension is not the issue here. At least have the courage to stand by your own words instead of claiming they mean something else. How could little garden be interpreted as anything other than an insult?


The same way that calling a well known female tv talk show host a cow could be interpreted as anything other than the lowest misogyny.
oralloy
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2019 05:44 am
@snood,
Speaking of leftist phony outrage...
Olivier5
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2019 05:48 am
@glitterbag,
Seems to me that these simpletons cannot fathom more than one baddy in this world. Life to them is like a James Bond movie: there's only one real bad guy, all the others work for him.

Now, aplying the "one baddy" principle to geopolitics, since the US is evidently bad bad bad, it follows that Russia can only be part of the good guys, amaright?
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snood
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2019 06:10 am
@oralloy,
Not outraged at all. I don’t even like Megan McCain. Calling a woman a cow is what it is.
revelette1
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2019 10:11 am
What Donald Trump's unsettlingly erratic 24 hours on Twitter tell us
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izzythepush
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2019 10:31 am
@snood,
For a minute I thought you were talking about me. The Kid just told me that in America cow often means fat. It doesn't mean that over here, calling a woman a cow isn't complimentary, but it's not very insulting either and can be used affectionately.

Calling a woman a dog would be extremely insulting though.
snood
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2019 11:25 am
@izzythepush,
Everyone knows the connotations of calling a woman a cow here. Fat and dumb. It’s a common lowbrow insult, keeping company with with other shiny examples like sow’, ‘heifer’ and ‘pig’. There aren’t any subtle shades of interpretation here for anyone being honest. It’s an insult that is used to disparage and disrespect women. I'm through with this particular fascinating detour.
izzythepush
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2019 11:37 am
I've posted this elsewhere but I think it's important enough to get a place here.

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A Saudi prisoner has been executed and crucified, according to a statement by the country's state media.

The man was one of 37 people executed on Tuesday on charges of terrorism.

The statement added that the men were charged with "adopting terrorist extremist ideology, forming terrorist cells" and harming the "peace and security of society".

One of the men executed was aged just 16 at the time of his arrest, according to Amnesty International.

Executions are usually carried out by beheading. Crucifixion following an execution is reserved for crimes seen by the authorities as even more serious.

In Tuesday's executions, those accused had allegedly attacked security headquarters, killing a number of officers, the Saudi Press Agency statement said.

The punishments were carried out in several locations including the Saudi capital, Riyadh, Mecca and Medina.

Among those executed, at least 14 were convicted of violent offences relating to their participation in anti-government demonstrations, Amnesty reports.

In 2018, a man was executed and crucified after he was accused of stabbing a woman to death. He was also accused of attempted murder of another man along with attempting to rape a woman, Bloomberg reported.

The Saudi government does not release official statistics on the number of executions it carries out, but state media does report frequently on executions.

According to Amnesty, at least 104 people have been executed in Saudi Arabia so far this year. In 2018, the Gulf state carried out 149 executions.

On Sunday, Saudi Arabia claimed it foiled an attack that targeted a security bureau in al-Zulfi, north of Riyadh.

The four attackers were killed, according to the State Security Presidency's official spokesman.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-48028518

I don't know of any other country that can legally crucify people. And this is who we're selling our weapons to.

Lash
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2019 01:26 pm
@snood,
Snood decides when the detours start, he decides what everyone knows, and he decides when the detours end.

The great and powerful snood. Was there an election—or just a quick backroom coronation?
MontereyJack
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2019 01:45 pm
@Lash,
Yes there woas an rlpection aond hillary got the most votes. Trpump would have crucified bernie. Times chaonge. Trump will lie about berniep this time around toobut bile isw mainstralm enough to maybe winanyway. People despise trump.
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blatham
 
  1  
Wed 24 Apr, 2019 02:25 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
I don't know of any other country that can legally crucify people. And this is who we're selling our weapons to.
Also, possibly, first growth cedar.
hightor
 
  1  
Wed 24 Apr, 2019 02:45 pm
Bernie Sanders Scares a Lot of People, and Quite a Few of Them Are Democrats

What happens if he’s the nominee in 2020?

Quote:
In 34 national surveys conducted from October 2018 to early April, Joe Biden, who is expected to announce his presidential bid on Thursday, led of all competitors.

Then, in an Emerson College poll conducted two weeks ago, Bernie Sanders, a candidate with substantial liabilities as well as marked strengths, pulled ahead of Biden for the first time, 29-24 percent.

Sanders is also doing well in Iowa and New Hampshire, sites of the first caucus and primary.

One consequence of these developments is summed up in the headline of my colleague Jonathan Martin’s April 15 story, “‘Stop Sanders’ Democrats Are Agonizing Over His Momentum.”

In this light, I asked a group of Democratic and liberal-leaning consultants, pollsters, economists and political scientists what the likelihood of a Sanders’ nomination was, what his prospects would be in the general election, and how Democratic House and Senate candidates might fare with Sanders at the top of the ticket. When necessary, I offered them the opportunity to speak on background — with no direct attribution — to encourage forthcoming responses.

The answers I got from Democrats who make their living in politics revealed considerable wariness toward Sanders — the response many Sanders supporters would expect.

“Point 1, I am very worried about Bernie. Socialism is a problem word,” a Democratic operative with ties to the party establishment said:

Sure he has a “stick it to the elites” message that could explain it, but it’s a problem. Point 2, Democrats are doing very well in the suburbs. Bernie could threaten that shift with an economic frame that is just too much for them. He could become a huge problem in the suburbs of Atlanta, Charlotte, Denver, Orange County, etc. where the key Senate and House races will take place.

“Bernie is one Democrat who probably cannot win,” said a second operative:

— I worry about his style for swing women voters. His proposals are good and have agenda-setting strength. I think his language of no alternative-no compromise-socialist will spook too many voters.

In the most important election in the lifetime of many Democrats — with Trump poised for a second term — the electability of the Democratic nominee is the top concern.

Sanders has never been tested in a general election. His only experience running against Republicans has been in Vermont, a state ranked third most liberal in the nation and second most Democratic, according to Gallup

Democratic primary voters and caucus goers are more liberal than voters in the general election, including the Democratic electorate as a whole. They are more likely to be comfortable with the idea of socialism and more tolerant of what the Daily Mail called Sanders’ “very 1960s love life,” of the content of Sanders’ early writings and of his son born outside of marriage — matters, for better or worse, that are of concern to socially moderate and more conservative voters on whom much is riding in this election. Early voters are also likely to be less critical of his erratic work history and of his hand-to-mouth existence before becoming mayor of Burlington. Overall, they are more likely to be charmed by his idiosyncratic career path, a path possibly less alluring to a more mainstream audience.

Sanders’ early writings are described in a 2015 book, “Why Bernie Sanders Matters,” in a 2015 Mother Jones profile by Tim Murphy and in a Salon article by Henry Jaffe.


Jaffe wrote:

— Drawing on the teachings of Wilhelm Reich that Sanders had embraced in college, he argued in an essay for the Freeman that cancer may be caused by emotional distress. That was especially the case, he wrote, with breast cancer, which he attributed to sexual repression of young girls, referring often to The Cancer Biopathy, Reich’s 1948 book that proposed a direct link between emotional and sexual health, in particular the dire consequences of suppressing “biosexual excitation.”

Jaffe reported that in the 1969 Freeman essay, Sanders asked, “How much guilt, nervousness have you imbued in your daughter with regard to sex?” and continued with the question,

— If she is 16, 3 years beyond puberty and the time which nature set forth for childbearing, and spent a night out with her boyfriend, what is your reaction? Do you take her to a psychiatrist because she is “maladjusted,” or a “prostitute,” or are you happy that she has found someone with whom she can share love? Are you concerned about HER happiness, or about your “reputation” in the community?

Murphy, in the Mother Jones article, describes Sanders’ lifestyle in the 1970s:

“He was living in the back of an old brick building, and when he couldn’t pay the electric bill, he would take extension cords and run down to the basement and plug them into the landlord’s outlet,’ says Nancy Barnett, an artist who lived next door to Sanders in Burlington. The fridge was often empty, but the apartment was littered with yellow legal pads filled with Sanders’ writings.

“When he was eventually evicted,” Murphy wrote, Sanders moved in with a friend.

In 1969, Sanders, who has been married twice, fathered a son, Levi Noah Sanders, with a third woman with whom he briefly lived, Susan Campbell Mott.

Sanders and his supporters have argued that his early history is part of a no longer relevant past and that he intends to run on his platform, not on his personality or personal life. Nonetheless, if Sanders wins the nomination, Trump and his Republican Party are certain to try to make the young Bernie Sanders a major issue.

What are the politics of Sanders’ commitment to democratic socialism?

An August 2018 YouGov survey found that 26 percent of voters had a favorable view of socialism (6 percent “very favorable,” 20 percent “somewhat favorable”) while 42 percent had an unfavorable view (31 percent very, 11 percent somewhat).

While Democrats in the survey were favorable on the topic of socialism, 46-25, independents and Republicans were not, 19-40 and 11-71.

During the primaries, Sanders is unlikely to face demands for a persuasive response to charges that the domestic spending programs he supports — Medicare for All, a federal job guarantee, a Green New Deal, free tuition at public colleges, universal child care — would cost trillions of dollars. The libertarian-leaning Mercatus Center at George Mason University estimated that Medicare for All alone would cost “$32.6 trillion during its first 10 years of full implementation,” which would require tax hikes on the middle class as well as on the rich and corporations — a sum that would, in fact, be virtually impossible to raise or procure.

Sanders’ fondness for the word “revolution” led an opinion columnist for The Washington Post to criticize him for his “angry, unrealistic call for ‘revolution.’ ” The revolution he called for while he was running against Hillary Clinton, The Times reported in 2016, was virtually identical to the revolution he was calling for in 1984. The website of Our Revolution, which describes itself as “the next step for Bernie Sanders’ movement,” begins with the words “STAND UP! FIGHT BACK!” and ends with a call to action: “It’s time to warrior up! See you on the front lines!” The militant tone of this manifesto is more jarring than Sanders’ campaign rhetoric, which is at pains to describe what he proposes not as socialism, but as “democratic socialism” along the lines of the Scandinavian model.
do about it.

Daron Acemoglu, a professor of economics at M.I.T., who has thought deeply about global and domestic inequality, draws a clear distinction between socialism and social democracy. In Acemoglu’s view, which he expressed by email, Sanders’ “economists don’t understand basic economics. They are not just dangerous, they are clueless.” Socialist regimes “from Cuba to the eastern bloc have been disastrous both for economic prosperity and individual freedom.”

Acemoglu questions Sanders’ economic sophistication, arguing that social democracy, when practiced by competent governments,

— is a phenomenal success. Everywhere in the west is to some degree social democratic, but the extent of this varies. We owe our prosperity and freedom to social democracy.

The trick, though, Acemoglu argues, is that social democracy “did not achieve these things by taxing and redistributing a lot. It achieved them by having labor institutions protecting workers, encouraging job creation and encouraging high wages.” Sanders does, in fact, often define his vision in these terms, but apparently has failed to persuade many economists (although he has persuaded some).

Jagdish N. Bhagwati, an economist at Columbia and an expert in development economics and international trade, who likes Sanders and supported him in 2016, is critical of Sanders’ policies. In a phone interview, Bhagwati described Sanders’ thinking as “a little bit naive,” displaying little “understanding of the complexity of the issues he raises.” Sanders, Bhagwati says, is in great need of “first-rate people to sort things out.”

In Bhagwati’s view, if Sanders continues to propose solutions to major problems “from the heart and not the head,” he will “not get anywhere other than shadow politics.”

David Autor, who is also an economist at M.I.T. and who specializes in technological change and globalization, described Sanders’ platform as

— chock full of fuzzy math and wishful thinking. But that seems to be a sound basis for electoral platforms these days, especially when proposed and enacted by Republicans.

Autor continued:

— Bottom line: I don’t think this election will turn on policy ideas, factual claims, or even thinking of any substantive kind. American electoral politics has become purely expressive: how much do I identify with my candidate? How much do I hate yours? The balance of these competing forces seems to determine the winner.

A third M.I.T. economist, Erik Brynjolfsson, one of the foremost scholars on the effects of information technology on employment and productivity, wrote me:

— Advocates for Bernie Sanders often argue that ‘socialist’ policies have worked in places like Denmark. That’s half right. While Denmark provides a generous welfare state its model can better be described as progressive capitalism.

He pointed out that Denmark has no minimum wage and

— takes a “flexicurity” approach to labor markets which allows entrepreneurs to hire and fire people easily, boosting dynamism and new business creation. Meanwhile government health care and other benefits means even people who are laid off aren’t destitute.

Sanders, Brynjolfsson wrote,

— is right that many Americans have seen their real wages fall or stagnate over the past 20 years, but successful nations have maintained the right mix of capitalism and public investment needed to create more widely shared prosperity.

At a more subjective level, Sanders’ rhetorical tone of righteous indignation has served him well with Democratic voters, but it remains untested among the independent and swing voters who cast ballots only in the general election.

Democrats are banking on making the 2020 election a referendum on Trump. How likely are the more controversial aspects of Sanders’ politics to blunt that strategy and turn the contest into a referendum on both Trump and Sanders?

A March NBC/Wall Street Journal poll found that 50 percent of all voters described themselves as “very uncomfortable” with Trump’s bid for re-election, and another 9 percent said they have “some reservation.” None of the Democratic candidates were viewed with the same level of discomfort, but Sanders had the highest percentage of voters, at 37 percent, who were “very uncomfortable” with his campaign, along with 21 percent who said they have “some reservations.”

In other words, Sanders carries a lot of baggage.

At the same time, he brings to the contest three major strengths that would be important in the general election.

First, he gets strong backing from young voters. A late March Quinnipiac survey found, for example, that Sanders won 26 percent among Democrats under the age of 45 and 16 percent among those over 45. One of Hillary Clinton’s weaknesses in 2016 was a failure to turn out young, Democratic-leaning voters.

The second Sanders asset is the exceptionally high levels of support he receives from small donors who contribute $200 or less. In this election cycle, Sanders has not only raised more than any of his competitors, at $18.2 million, but a higher percentage of his receipts, 84 percent, has come in amounts under $200.

A third advantage Sanders brings is the appeal of his anti-corporate, anti-rich message to a segment of populist Trump voters — those who backed Sanders in the 2016 primaries and shifted to Trump in the general election.

Two large surveys — one by the Cooperative Congressional Election Study, the other by the Voter Study Group — showed that in 2016 12 percent of Sanders’ primary voters cast ballots for Trump in November. If Sanders could return a substantial share of that 12 percent, which translates roughly to 1.58 million voters, to the Democratic fold, it would significantly enhance the party’s prospects up and down the ticket.

On Monday, the Sanders campaign released internal campaign polling by Tulchin Research that shows that at the moment Sanders is running ahead of Trump in the three key industrial states that gave Trump his 2016 Electoral College victory.

When voters were asked, “If the election were held today, who would you vote for, Bernie Sanders, the Democrat, or Donald Trump, the Republican,” Sanders led 52-41 in Michigan, 52-42 in Wisconsin and 51-43 in Pennsylvania.

An August 2015 Tablet article by Jas Chana describes the empathy Sanders demonstrated for the working class during his successful campaign for mayor of Burlington, Vt. in 1980. Often accompanied by Alan Abbey, a local reporter, the two

— would go from “the bluest of the blue” neighborhood in Burlington, the Old North End, characterized by its rickety houses, walking up through the increasingly affluent neighborhoods to eventually reach Burlington’s wealthy New North End. Abbey would stand behind Sanders as he knocked on each door, furiously scribbling into his notebook as the disheveled candidate, dressed in a “frumpy winter coat,” discussed gritty issues, like the state of the sewage network and garbage pickup schedule, on the door steps of Burlington’s residents. Abbey said Sanders did not try to present any “grand socialist ideas” — rather, as Sanders puts it in the 1997 book he wrote with Huck Gutman, “Outsider in the House”: “I listened to their concerns and supported their grievances … as I stood in kitchens and stood on front stoops in low-income houses, I heard the bitterness in their voices.” According to Abbey, the message Sanders conveyed was a simple one: that “this is your city and it’s time to take it back.”

One element of Sanders’ appeal to the white working class is that unlike many of his competitors for the nomination, he has mostly spoken about his proposals in universalistic terms.

When I asked them what they thought, political scientists were far less critical of Sanders than the Democratic operatives and consultants were. Matt Grossmann, for example, a political scientist at Michigan State, has a generally optimistic view of Sanders’ bid:

— Sanders would be attacked as a socialist and even (unfairly but perhaps effectively) as an anti-American communist sympathizer, who wants to transform America into Venezuela. Republicans would attempt to make the election into a choice of saving America or letting it fall to socialism, rather than a referendum on Trump.

That said, Grossman continued, Sanders

— has advantages. He is better known now and perhaps harder to make into a scary and foreign symbol. He has a very effective message on class and political reform that Clinton lacked. He could more effectively paint Trump as a corrupt plutocrat who sold out the people he promised to help to aid rich cronies. Besides his socialist image, his platform is well-honed for a message of change with clear benefits: health coverage, climate action, and soaking the rich to help the middle class.

Contrary to those who argue that Sanders creates fissures in Democratic ranks, Larry Sabato, a political scientist at the University of Virginia, argued that such divisions are unlikely to occur:

— Trump himself will reunify Democrats, and polarization could deliver 90 percent of Democratic votes to any party nominee, even a controversial one. Party unity doesn’t guarantee victory, of course, but it’s an essential ingredient.

Robert Stein, a political scientist at Rice University in Houston, argued that a Sanders nomination would not harm Democratic candidates running for lesser offices:

— There is no evidence (or reason to suggest) Sanders is any more (or less) of a drag or accelerator for Democratic turnout in Texas or nationally. Here in Texas he has the strong vestige of people who worked on his 2016 campaign and who have maintained an active presence in the 2018 campaigns.

Stein pointed out that

— the biggest boost in Democratic voters in 2018 came from new registrants, persons under 45 and nonwhites. Sanders polls well with these voters. It seems more than likely that persons who voted in 2018 will show up for the 2020 Presidential election, a condition that bodes well for Texas Democratic fortunes.

Matthew Hale, a political scientist at Seton Hall University, does not share Stein’s view:

— Sanders would likely win New Jersey against Trump just because the registration numbers and Democratic machine would make it happen. But it wouldn’t happen with enthusiasm and it could be close. If Sanders is the nominee, it could likely cause 2 or 3 house seats to flip back to Republicans.

New Jersey, Hale continued,

— is a blue state, a Democratic state but it is not a progressive one. The Democrats that people in New Jersey like are middle of the road and that is not a Democratic Socialist like Bernie Sanders.

Democratic primaries, as I mentioned earlier, are hardly a proving ground for how well a democratic socialist — and a self-declared social and cultural outsider — will sell in November, something Trump and the Republican Party are already gearing up to turn into a major 2020 issue.

The question extends beyond Sanders. Democratic constituencies competing to pick a candidate to square off against Trump next year face a difficult-to-resolve problem. Will they find themselves flying blind, entangled in a cause more than a campaign as they leave too much of the middle-of-the-road electorate behind?

nyt/edsall

blatham
 
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Wed 24 Apr, 2019 03:39 pm
@hightor,
Some of those concerns seem legitimate to me. Of course, that can be said of each candidate but that doesn't rule out the concerns listed.
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— Advocates for Bernie Sanders often argue that ‘socialist’ policies have worked in places like Denmark. That’s half right. While Denmark provides a generous welfare state its model can better be described as progressive capitalism.
This is exactly right. There are no successful and democratic nations anywhere which don't evidence the support of both capitalist operations and government-determined social programs. Anyone who holds that only one is legitimate is foolish. Yet I am not certain that Sanders fails to appreciate this. Or that he does fail to appreciate it.

It seems to me that the fundamental necessity here is for Dems to forge a consensus and work together towards the election. To fail in this is the path to another Trump victory with consequences likely more dire than even people like me fear. If the supporters of Sanders or any other candidate attack each other - rather than concentrating on the threats posed by Trump and modern Republicans - to the degree they do that they threaten the future of democracy in the US. If the candidate is Sanders, fine. If it is Warren, fine. If Biden, fine. If Harris or another, fine. I have my preferences but that falls far below removing Trump and lessening GOP control.

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